How the middle-easterners act as compared to a percentage of their followers

[fuzzy2bucks]

Slavery, Terrorism and Islam:

 
 Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

 Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

 Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
 
 When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

 Here's how it works:
 
 As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any

 given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a

 peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is
 the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

 At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and
 disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and
 among street gangs. This is happening in:


 Denmark -- Muslim 2%
 Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
 United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
 Spain -- Muslim 4%
> Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
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 From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to
 their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure  on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with
 threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
 
 France -- Muslim 8%
 Philippines -- 5%
 Sweden -- Muslim 5%
 Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
 The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
 Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%



 At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow
 them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the
 Islamic Law.  The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law
 over the entire world.
 
 When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase

 lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris ,

 we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam

 and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with

 pposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions

are seen in particularly in Muslim sections in:
 
 Guyana -- Muslim 10%
 India -- Muslim 13.4%
 Israel -- Muslim 16%
 Kenya -- Muslim 10%
 Russia -- Muslim 15%
 
 After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian
churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

 Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
 

 At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
 attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
 
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
 
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of
all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic
cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax
placed on infidels, such as in:

 Albania -- Muslim 70%
 Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
 Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
 Sudan -- Muslim 70%
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 After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run  * * *
 ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out
 the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced
 and in some ways is on-going in:

 Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
 Egypt -- Muslim 90%
 Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
 Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
 Iran -- Muslim 98%
 Iraq -- Muslim 97%
 Jordan -- Muslim 92%
 Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
 Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
 Palestine -- Muslim 99%
 Syria -- Muslim 90%
 Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
 Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
 United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

 100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of
 Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a
 Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only
 word, such as in:
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 Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
 Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
 Somalia -- Muslim 100%
 Yemen -- Muslim 100%
 
 Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the
 most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their
 blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

 'Before I was nine, I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was
 me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family
 against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe
 against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris,
 'The Haj'

 It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under
 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim
 populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and
 within which they live by Sharia Law.* * * * * *  The national police do not even
 enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor
 non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not
 integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses.
 They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime
 punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations,
 Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national
 average would indicate.

 Today's 1.5 billion Muslims * * * * * make up 22% of the world's population. But
 their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus,
 Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of
 the world's population by the end of this century.

 Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse.
 The wolves will be herding the sheep!

 Obama appoints two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts. Doesn't
 this make you feel safer already?
 
 Obama and Janet Napolitano appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as
 Assistant Secretary for Policy Development.
 
 DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim
 who was born in Damascus , Syria , as ADC National Executive Director
 as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

 NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified
 as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...?  Just
 wondering.

 Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions?
 Doesn't this make you feel safer already??
 
 That should make the US ' homeland much safer, huh!!
 Was it not "Devout Muslim men" that flew planes into U.S. buildings 8
 years ago?

 Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood ?
 
 Also: This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to
 finish. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good American? This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his reply: Theologically - no . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah,
 

      The moon God of Arabia Religiously - no. Because no other religion
 is accepted by His Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)


      Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of
 Islam and the Quran.


      Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which
 he turns in prayer five times a day.
 

      Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make
 friends with Christians or Jews..


      Politically - no.Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual
 leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America ,
 the great Satan.


      Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and
 beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34)


      Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American
 Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes
 the Bible to be corrupt.


   Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not
 allow freedom of religion and expression..


      Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is
 either dictatorial or autocratic.


      Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,'
 the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred
 to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99
 excellent names.

 Therefore, after much study and deliberation....

Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. -

 - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.
 Call it what you wish, it's still the truth. You had better believe it.
 The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and
 our future. The religious war is bigger than we know or understand.
 
 Can a muslim be a good soldier???
 
 Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, opened fire at Ft. Hood and Killed 13. He
 is a good Muslim!!!

     Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.
 SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

      

[NCGhostrider]

Excellent post.   

[Robert]

Well Done It would be really great to list the economies of those countries before and after

[x]

Is there a point to this tripe?  Hundreds of millions of Muslims live peaceful lives.  I would only point you to Indonesia, the largest Muslim population of any country in the world.  A democracy.  A liberal country.
 
And what point is text removed trying to make?  That he is text removed?  That text removedunderstand the nuances and complexities of Islam?  Or that he is merely text removed, trying to create a rise out of people... OK, you got me... with nonsensical rantings.
 
America needs a lot less of people like you, fuzzy2bucks... and you aint worth one buck.

[Bobbo]

This pretty much sums it up.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_religious_literacy_poll

No surprise that the people who know the least post the longest messages...  

[hubcapsc]

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2010/09/29/intolerance-%E2%80%98-rise%E2%80%99-among-muslims.html

[Robert]

Bobbo good post

[fuzzy2bucks]

This thread subject was researched by a Professional over an extended period of time to assure accuracy.  The info is a few snipits from the book.

...


Subject: Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam:

All
This came from a friend of mine and I thought it was well written, to the point, and relevant today. 
It makes sense and if you think it has merit I ask you to pass it on.



Adapted from  Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam:
 The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

A good read for American and other middle-easterners who will find the truth in this book.

[Bobbo]

Books are simply a vehicle to provide income to the author, usually by providing content the reader wants to see.  The snippets you posted are mostly opinion and conclusions based on marginally related “facts”.   When it delves into a political rant, complete with misconceptions and misunderstandings, it’s time to reject the entire message as propaganda.

[Varmintmist]

Books are simply a vehicle to provide income to the author, usually by providing content the reader wants to see.  The snippets you posted are mostly opinion and conclusions based on marginally related “facts”.   When it delves into a political rant, complete with misconceptions and misunderstandings, it’s time to reject the entire message as propaganda.

Just to be clear, you are slamming his facts from a researched book that we don't know how the data was collected, with a artical about a survey in which we don't know how the data was collected.

That sum it up?

[3fan4life]

You are supposedly a grown man..........

Why is it that you seem to have an inablility to post on any topic without using words that require the kind people who volunteer much of their precious time to monitor this board to use their RED PEN?

Willow, I apologize to you for Mr Eagles offensive use of the English language. Because we all know that he won't.

Is there a point to this tripe?  Hundreds of millions of Muslims live peaceful lives.  I would only point you to Indonesia, the largest Muslim population of any country in the world.  A democracy.  A liberal country.
 
And what point is text removed trying to make?  That he is text removed?  That text removedunderstand the nuances and complexities of Islam?  Or that he is merely text removed, trying to create a rise out of people... OK, you got me... with nonsensical rantings.
 
America needs a lot less of people like you, fuzzy2bucks... and you aint worth one buck.

[3fan4life]

Is there a point to this tripe?  Hundreds of millions of Muslims live peaceful lives.  I would only point you to Indonesia, the largest Muslim population of any country in the world.  A democracy.  A liberal country.
 
And what point is text removed trying to make?  That he is text removed?  That text removedunderstand the nuances and complexities of Islam?  Or that he is merely text removed, trying to create a rise out of people... OK, you got me... with nonsensical rantings.
 
America needs a lot less of people like you, fuzzy2bucks... and you aint worth one buck.

And those forward thinking, fun loving muslims in Indonesia will give you 5 years in jail for speaking out against Allah and Islam:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/20/world/asia/20indo.html?_r=1

Well I guess in the world of Islam that is "Forward Thinking"

In most muslim countries you'd probably be beheaded.

[3fan4life]

And in peaceful, fun loving Indonesia crime doesn't even exist right?

WRONG!

Crime statistics for Indonesia:

http://www.nationmaster.com/country/id-indonesia/cri-crime

AND Peaceful, fun loving Indonesia never causes any problems to its neighbors right?

WRONG:

Indonesia is a source, transit, and destination country for women, children and men trafficked for the purposes of sexual exploitation and forced labor; Indonesian victims are trafficked to Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, and Singapore; a significant number of Indonesian women who go overseas each year to work as domestic servants or "cultural performers" are subjected to conditions of involuntary servitude and commercial sexual exploitation; to a minimal extent, Indonesia is a destination for women from East Asia, Europe, and South America who are trafficked for sexual exploitation; there is extensive trafficking within Indonesia from rural to urban metropolitan areas particularly for sexual exploitation and involuntary domestic servitude

Is there a point to this tripe?  Hundreds of millions of Muslims live peaceful lives.  I would only point you to Indonesia, the largest Muslim population of any country in the world.  A democracy.  A liberal country.
 
And what point is text removed trying to make?  That he is text removed?  That text removedunderstand the nuances and complexities of Islam?  Or that he is merely text removed, trying to create a rise out of people... OK, you got me... with nonsensical rantings.
 
America needs a lot less of people like you, fuzzy2bucks... and you aint worth one buck.

[G-Man]

This pretty much sums it up.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_religious_literacy_poll

No surprise that the people who know the least post the longest messages...  

Only sums up that those questioned didn't know anwsers to certain questions.

[G-Man]

You are supposedly a grown man..........

Why is it that you seem to have an inablility to post on any topic without using words that require the kind people who volunteer much of their precious time to monitor this board to use their RED PEN?

Willow, I apologize to you for Mr Eagles offensive use of the English language. Because we all know that he won't.

Is there a point to this tripe?  Hundreds of millions of Muslims live peaceful lives.  I would only point you to Indonesia, the largest Muslim population of any country in the world.  A democracy.  A liberal country.
 
And what point is text removed trying to make?  That he is text removed?  That text removedunderstand the nuances and complexities of Islam?  Or that he is merely text removed, trying to create a rise out of people... OK, you got me... with nonsensical rantings.
 
America needs a lot less of people like you, fuzzy2bucks... and you aint worth one buck.

Stop apologizing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is the admins of this boards own doing.  Sorry Wiilow, et al., but this has been a long time pattern with this person.  Several of us have asked for his removal, yet he remains able to slam others at will with his classless attacks and name calling.  He has even admitted that he goes after particular people, yet he is still allowed to troll and then attack the brothers and sisters of our club.  I don't get it

[Bobbo]

Just to be clear, you are slamming his facts from a researched book that we don't know how the data was collected, with a artical about a survey in which we don't know how the data was collected.

That sum it up?

I’m not slamming any facts, although I didn’t independently verify them (hence the quotes).  It appears he is using facts that are only marginally related to his conclusions.  I am suggesting the writer is confusing causation with correlation.   An example would be stating that poor people are more likely to be criminals based on the “fact” that crime is higher in poor neighborhoods.  The false conclusion is that being poor causes criminal behavior.  You could then deduce that the cure would be to give poor people money, and crime would stop.  We know this isn’t the case because there are plenty of people with money that still commit crimes.  The correlation between poverty and crime exists, but it is not the cause of it.

The survey I referenced is typical of any survey.  Not necessarily scientific, but it shows the general trend of the subject in question.  This survey didn’t make conclusions as the book writer did; it just presented its findings.

[Chrisj CMA]

It doesnt matter to me how "peaceful" anyone is in another country.  SE, you may have found a wonderful place to live......irrelevant.

Here in America its Radical Muslims and radical Americans that identify with radical Muslims that are trying to kill us. 

Therefore, since we are at war with radical muslim terrorists, we should take reasonable steps to insure that radical muslim terrorists are not allowed to walk freely in the US if they are here illegally or have overstayed their welcome.

We can have them sent to indonesia if you like SE, but Id prefer they arent allowed to remain here

Ask those Americans that happen to live near large concetrations of Muslims in America if its all nicey nicey or are there less than peaceful confrontations all the time with the aggression starting with the Muslins not the non-muslim............

[NCGhostrider]

I would give at least $1.50 for fuzzy2bucks anyday...and never met him   

[Chattanooga Mark]

fuzzy2bucks,

     I'll have to read this book as the information you presented is very interesting. Sadly, facts, logic and common sense are lost on some. Others will just call you names or make feeble attempts at poking holes in the facts you laid out.

Keep up the good work, 

Mark

[fuzzy2bucks]

Thanks for the knowlegeable post "Chicago Mark".   Yes, I agree that anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of Current World Affairs would realize the percentages and facts laid out are near or completely accurate in the Doctors book.

[musclehead]

Is there a point to this tripe?  Hundreds of millions of Muslims live peaceful lives.  I would only point you to Indonesia, the largest Muslim population of any country in the world.  A democracy.  A liberal country.
 
And what point is text removed trying to make?  That he is text removed?  That text removedunderstand the nuances and complexities of Islam?  Or that he is merely text removed, trying to create a rise out of people... OK, you got me... with nonsensical rantings.
 
America needs a lot less of people like you, fuzzy2bucks... and you aint worth one buck.

dude! youve been redacted 

[3fan4life]

You are supposedly a grown man..........

Why is it that you seem to have an inablility to post on any topic without using words that require the kind people who volunteer much of their precious time to monitor this board to use their RED PEN?

Willow, I apologize to you for Mr Eagles offensive use of the English language. Because we all know that he won't.

Stop apologizing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is the admins of this boards own doing.  Sorry Wiilow, et al., but this has been a long time pattern with this person.  Several of us have asked for his removal, yet he remains able to slam others at will with his classless attacks and name calling.  He has even admitted that he goes after particular people, yet he is still allowed to troll and then attack the brothers and sisters of our club.  I don't get it

With no intent of disrespect whatsoever towards Willow or anyone else that gives of their time to provide and maintain this board for us............

THE APOLOGY WAS MEANT TO BE "TONGUE IN CHEEK" 

[Karen]

The invention of the printing press and the availability of books to the masses was one of the driving forces in advancing literacy, bringing Europe out of the Dark Ages. It's amazing what people can accomplish, given a little information, curiosity, and the opportunity to pursue their passion. The Muslim way of life would return us to that blissfully ignorant existence. It is impossible to be tolerant of a religion that is intolerant of other religions. Historically, we Christians have had the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, burning of witches in New England, burning of native American Indians, burning of people of color, we Christians haven't been civilized for very long at all. Just as the perceived corruption in the Catholic church prompted Martin Luther to post his 95 theses, sparking the protestant reformation, there needs to be a similar internal upheaval in Islam, but frankly, I don't see that happening any time soon.

[AussieValk]

As someone who resides on the underside of the planet, relatively close to Indonesia, I'd like to meekly point out that they are very far from a peaceful nation. Remember the Bali bombing, Aceh massacres, war in Timor, not to mention their own domestic terrorist attacks.

[fstsix]

This pretty much sums it up.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_rel_religious_literacy_poll

No surprise that the people who know the least post the longest messages...  

Your link and the link in question here sums it up perfect! With all the religious groups you posted they ALL miss the point, Jesus was not religious! And they simple question for you is WWJD ? Google this witch we know you will and think about it.

[JOCK3]

i can see a great many parralells that todays Islam has with yesterdays Christianity.Here in Europe we had our old religions,The vikings had gods such as Thor and odin,the Celts had Druids etc etc.Then along came the christians,at first small bands of men calling themselves monks and desciples which led on to fanatical sects and sects within sects.Take a look at what the Christians did in the name of a "forgiving god",then there was the perscecutions carried out by catholics on protestants and protestants on catholics,Genocide was carried out in the name of God in some Islands off of the Scottish and irish coasts and there was not a Viking in sight.

So today islam grows in strength as do all Fanatical movements,it has its own fractions similar to christianity,they have Sunnis and Shias,Christianity has catholics and protestants.The catholic ,protestant hatreds still fester today.

There is real danger that within 10 years we will see a Nuclear war that has religion as its catilist.

How will Israel react when Iran finally gets the Bomb?? Iran wants to be the Middle Easts top kid on the block,in order to do that you have to take out the top kid and thats currently Israel.

The muslims hate the jews with fanatical venom and when it all kicks off,will we here in the UK wait to find out if iran does have rockets capable of striking us or will we unload a Trident missle or three at them "just in case" ?

according to a muslim biker that i know,he tells me that the Quaran prophesises an end of the world type of conflict,so does the bible,i think that in the bible it states that the last war will start in the middle and after it ends,that the "yellow race" will inherit the earth.

So theres no point saving up your money for retirement,just go out and buy as many Valks and runes as you can and ride them like you just stole them

[Bobbo]

So, I guess that means that in a few hundred years, we will have an Islamic version of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Robert Tilton, and Jimmy swaggart!       

[alph]

There is real danger that within 10 years we will see a Nuclear war that has religion as its catilist.

As I’ve said before;

Promote world peace, ban all religions!! 

I’m not against god, just the people that kill for him.

[Robert]

Brace yourselves, because the war with Muslims has just begun," Shahzad, 31, warned U.S. District Judge Miriam Cedarbaum in one of several polite but chilling exchanges. "Consider me only a first droplet of the flood that will follow me."

Shahzad — wearing a white cap, a black prison smock and longer beard and hair than he did at his June guilty plea — also for the first time complained about his post-arrest treatment at the hands of the FBI, and said he was comfortable with his fate because he saw it as the will of Allah.

"If I am given 1,000 lives, I will sacrifice them all for the sake of Allah," said Shahzad." ... Decree whatever you desire to decree, for you can only decree regarding the life of this world."

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/northeast/view/20101006times_square_bomb_plotter_predicts_defeat_of_us/srvc=home&position=recent

I dont understand how this could be,, se and Bobbo says its such a peaceful religion. Lets give them the keys to the US, OH WAIT There already doing that. You see, this Muslim, didn't make any distinction between any Muslim peaceful or not. House car job seemingly good life even schooling in the field of his choice, then goes to Pakistan last year and decides to blow people up. He was going to return a week later and do another bomb. So you see the Koran incites evil and just because they are seemingly good people what tips the scale to mass murder. Who can predict what will be taught out of the Koran and how it will be followed? Like I always say know what you aspire to know the true depth of what your reading that goes for Christians as well as any religious group. The difference is Christians and most other religions aspire to peace and joy but the Koran aspires peace and joy through death the Bible never taught that,, it was Always "civilized". The problem is that people for their own greed lust power distort the Bible. But the Koran unless you do these things you are not a true follower.

A judge ruled we could not have the 10 commandments in school because kids would see it and start to follow it so why is that different than the koran????

[Robert]

Gen 16:11  The angel of the LORD said to her further, "Behold, you are with child, And you will bear a son; And you shall call his name Ishmael, Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction.
Gen 16:12  "He will be a wild donkey of a man, His hand will be against everyone, And everyone's hand will be against him; And he will live to the east of all his brothers."
Gen 16:13  Then she called the name of the LORD who spoke to her, "You are a God who sees"; for she said, "Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?"
Gen 16:14  Therefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.
Gen 16:15  So Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of his son, whom Hagar bore, Ishmael.
Gen 16:16  Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ishmael to him.

Now there came a most critical time in the life of young Ishmael. Only some bread and a bottle of water were “put on the shoulder” of Hagar by Abraham when he expelled her with her son. Aimlessly, as it seems, the two walked about in the wilderness of Beersheba. The water was soon spent, and with it went all hope and energy. The boy, being faint with thirst and tired out by his constant walking in the fierce heat of the sun, seemed to be dying. So his mother put him rapidly down in the shade of some plant.  After this last act of motherly love - what else could she do to help the boy? - she retired to a place at some distance and resignedly expected the death of her son and perhaps her own.
For the 2nd time in her life, she had a marvelous experience. “God heard the voice of the lad” and comforted the unhappy mother most wonderfully. Through His angel He renewed His former promise regarding her son, and then He showed her a well of water. The lad's life was saved and, growing up, he became in time an archer. He lived in the wilderness of Paran and was married by his mother to an Egyptian wife (Gen_21:21).
So it starts

[sugerbear]

i have a WONDERFUL idea.

S.E. how about you and your wife, best friend, etc, stand on a local street corner, one hold a sign saying "down with catholics" and one says "down with islam".  stay there all day and tell us which one of you are able to come home and type a reply!!

[Bobbo]

I dont understand how this could be,, se and Bobbo says its such a peaceful religion.

I’m not sure why you chose to include me in your perception of people who claim Islam is a religion of peace.  I’ve never made that claim, or even alluded to it.   ???

[Bobbo]

i have a WONDERFUL idea.

S.E. how about you and your wife, best friend, etc, stand on a local street corner, one hold a sign saying "down with catholics" and one says "down with islam".  stay there all day and tell us which one of you are able to come home and type a reply!!

Catholics are people, while Islam is a religious order.  Your comparison would be better by having the signs say “Down with Catholicism” or the other saying “Down with Muslims”.

[Varmintmist]

So, I guess that means that in a few hundred years, we will have an Islamic version of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Robert Tilton, and Jimmy swaggart!       

Nope, Islam hasn't changed, it is still as barbaric as it was 2000 years ago.

[Quicksilver]

Frankly anyone who is fanatical about anything (except Valkyries of course) concerns me.  I don't understand them and hope they leave me and mine,  well enough alone. I'll pass them by if they do. If they don't then I'll take whatever action is necessary to correct them. Just my view.

[sugerbear]

i have a WONDERFUL idea.

S.E. how about you and your wife, best friend, etc, stand on a local street corner, one hold a sign saying "down with catholics" and one says "down with islam".  stay there all day and tell us which one of you are able to come home and type a reply!!

Catholics are people, while Islam is a religious order.  Your comparison would be better by having the signs say “Down with Catholicism” or the other saying “Down with Muslims”.


what ever......sorry i'm not as smart as you.......................

[Serk]

Nope, Islam hasn't changed, it is still as barbaric as it was 2000 years ago.

Sorry to be anal-retentive, but Islam has only existed for around 1400 years...

(Not arguing it is or isn't barbaric, just saying it can't have been that way for 600 years longer than it's existed... )

[Bobbo]

i have a WONDERFUL idea.

S.E. how about you and your wife, best friend, etc, stand on a local street corner, one hold a sign saying "down with catholics" and one says "down with islam".  stay there all day and tell us which one of you are able to come home and type a reply!!

Catholics are people, while Islam is a religious order.  Your comparison would be better by having the signs say “Down with Catholicism” or the other saying “Down with Muslims”.

what ever......sorry i'm not as smart as you.......................

I know this was a snide post aimed at SE, but what was your point?  Holding a sign with a negative message towards any religion would be problematic depending on the region you are in.  If you held a sign with a negative view about Christians in the southern states, you would probably be attacked.  Holding an anti-Islam sign would get you pats on the back, and complements.   The same sign carriers in a predominantly Muslim area would probably have the opposite effect.

[Trynt]

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I know this was a snide post aimed at SE, but what was your point?  Holding a sign with a negative message towards any religion would be problematic depending on the region you are in.  If you held a sign with a negative view about Christians in the southern states, you would probably be attacked.  Holding an anti-Islam sign would get you pats on the back, and complements.   The same sign carriers in a predominantly Muslim area would probably have the opposite effect.


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You know what he is saying.  He is saying Muslims are typically less tolerant and react more negatively to perceived slights to their religion than do Christians. And if you deny that reality you are simply blinded by your ideology. 

[Bobbo]

You know what he is saying.  He is saying Muslims are typically less tolerant and react more negatively to perceived slights to their religion than do Christians. And if you deny that reality you are simply blinded by your ideology. 

REALLY?!

I suggest you announce a public Bible burning in one of our fine Southern states if you want to get a lesson about intolerance…