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« on: October 19, 2010, 11:53:01 AM »

A Constutional Attorney Has Read the Entire H.C. Bill

Snopes says this e-mail has been correctly attributed to Michael Connelly.



A retired Constitutional lawyer has read the entire proposed healthcare bill. Read his conclusions and pass this on as you wish. This is stunning!
 
   
 
The Truth About the Health Care Bills - Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney 

 Well, I have done it!  I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law.  I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.
 
 To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying.  The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.
 
 The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system.  All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals.  Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.
 
 However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface.  In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices.  Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated  If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.
 
 The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government.  The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

 The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with!  I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

 This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital.  All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures.  You can also forget about the right to privacy.  That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide...
 
 If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you.  It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.
 
 So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law  It doesn't stop there though.

 The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;

 The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people.  Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.
 
 I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea.  This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights...  Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution." If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation.  If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.
 
 For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.
 
 Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
 Constitutional Law Instructor
 Carrollton , Texas
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2010, 12:21:51 PM »

Yeah, from Texas, where they want the textbooks to change history...

Yup, you're right, heaven forbid we provide healthcare for EVERYone!! Let 'em die, right? Ya can't afford it, you DESERVE to die...

Geez...
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2010, 12:23:24 PM »

HELP! HELP!
THE SKY IS FALLING !
PLEASE HELP!
THE SKY IS FALLING!
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2010, 12:26:04 PM »

Ya can't afford it, you DESERVE to die...

Geez...


Or go broke, file for bankruptcy and then die!
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2010, 12:30:30 PM »

Or, just let them take everything, yours, your family's, THEN let you die...

Some people just don't get it - I'd hate to be sooooo self-centered.

R
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2010, 12:50:17 PM »

Well, how about providing healthcare to all citizens(read....you have to be LEGAL to be a citizen) without infringing on individual rights. I don't have a problem doing that, I do have a problem with how it was done and how it was rammed down the public's throats. It can be done in a manner beneficial to the majority, this mess now on the books isn't it.
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2010, 12:54:33 PM »

Impeach Obama
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2010, 12:59:13 PM »

We can make a change in just two weeks from today.  Not so much with the Health Care bill, but to all those in Congress who voted for it.  It would be a start.  Get out and let'em hear your voice!

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2010, 01:08:38 PM »

Or, just let them take everything, yours, your family's, THEN let you die...

Some people just don't get it - I'd hate to be sooooo self-centered.

R

But under the new plan you get to keep all your stuff and then you die. Depending on if the government decides you have enough value to live, if not then you still get to die, but you get to keep all your stuff. Yep, that is a better plan?? And since I'm on the side of the BMI index that would put me on the "you have to die" list, I'll stay with me making that decision for now...
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2010, 01:30:37 PM »

Yeah, from Texas, where they want the textbooks to change history...

Yup, you're right, heaven forbid we provide healthcare for EVERYone!! Let 'em die, right? Ya can't afford it, you DESERVE to die...

Geez...

And the days of you can afford it but you aren't allowed to purchase the service is better? That is just stupid. My kid came home from school with those stupid Lib share the wealth ideas. I asked him When you get your license are you going to buy a car? "yep" What are you going to buy? "saving for a Mustang" I said well after you get the money saved for your Mustang well go and find you a nice used Yugo. "but I want a Mustang" Well, I know, you worked for the money to buy a Mustang, but your sister doesn't have a job and she wants to buy a car too and since your money won't buy two Mustangs, WE can only afford two Yugos. He didn't think that was fair, and he is right.
We will all be covered by mediocre health care even though I can afford decent health care. Yeah, that's fair...
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Bob E.
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2010, 07:48:12 PM »

Or, just let them take everything, yours, your family's, THEN let you die...

Some people just don't get it - I'd hate to be sooooo self-centered.

R

But under the new plan you get to keep all your stuff and then you die. Depending on if the government decides you have enough value to live, if not then you still get to die, but you get to keep all your stuff. Yep, that is a better plan?? And since I'm on the side of the BMI index that would put me on the "you have to die" list, I'll stay with me making that decision for now...

Please explain to me how this would be any different than what we have now.  One of the big reasons we so desperately needed health insurance reform is because of the many abuses of the large corporate insurance companies...recidivism being one of the biggest.  The corp execs could and did drop many people as soon as they become non-profitable (sick).  The only difference I see is that the insurance company actually has a motivation to drop you...PROFIT...whereas the government would be running the insurance at no profit and would therefore not have the motivation to drop you.  If it became too common for people to be dropped, the people would revolt and politicians would be voted out of office.  Look at how people freak out when they talk about cutting Social Security or Medicare. Go get a bunch of policy holders and tell the board at your insurance company that you want to vote out the insurance manager and see how far that gets you.  Personally, I'd gladly pay into a single payer system and know that it will be there when I need it versus trying to file a claim and find out that they won't pay because I didn't accurately report my BMI when I bought the policy.
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 08:01:44 PM »

and taxing someone who wants to opt out is wonderful because?

imho this bill aint gonna do nuthin but hurt in the long run   well intentioned maybe but the road to hell is as we know paved with em

vote in Nov please so you can say you made a choice,

I keep thinking of a line from who's next

meet the new boss  the same as the old boss
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2010, 09:11:00 AM »

Or, just let them take everything, yours, your family's, THEN let you die...

Some people just don't get it - I'd hate to be sooooo self-centered.

R

THAT'S the whole dilemma right there, Brother!   The emotional well being, or the do good feeling, or the save everyone mentallity is overshadowing what is really truly happening......already.

This law DOES NOT COVER EVERYBODY to begin with.  Due to it's passing, those with pre-existing conditions can't be denied, but the cost is so high, only 5% of the eligible have been covered.  Medicaire has been cut by $500 Billion....and since Medicaire produces nothing, the cuts are to providers reimbursements....which have already in turn compromised/rationed care to our seniors in the way of fewer available office appointments and services to those who have paid into the system all of their lives and who need a co-insurance (out of pocket) now more than ever to cover the costs that providers used to graciously sweep under the rug..  Children can now be covered till age 26 on their parents plans.....parents who will be fined if they can't afford to cover adult children.

The cost has exceeded $1 Trillion thus far (and grows each week) in order to save money?  uglystupid2  They also tell us it is deficet neutral.  How is this in anyway possible?  We are seeing now that companies are being exempted from some parts for a certain period of time so where does the lost revenue from these exempted companies come from?  And, if the law was on the up and up, why do we need exemptions from it? 

And the Dems know it's awful as they are not using it as a campaign booster.  They're not saying "vote for me, look what I helped get passed".  They're hiding from it, and even attacking it themselves in campaign ads and commercials.  Even THEY know it's bad, yet the sheople who vote for them still sing their praise.  I don't get it.  Advertised intentions and real world outcomes are completely different. 
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2010, 09:59:55 AM »

The health care bill is BS tickedoff
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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2010, 12:25:39 PM »

I went and voted yesterday in Tomball Texas early voting.    I was told that in past elections the average is around 13.000 people early voting.   This election just a few days into early voting 26,000 people have already voted.  Hopefully people are finally starting to see the light.  I have all my life (now 60) voted the Democratic Party Line.   Since there is no Democratic Party anymore, only a Socialist Party hiding behind the Democratic Name, I voted with the entire Republican Party Line.   Lets take this country back.
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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2010, 08:01:46 AM »

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