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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2010, 02:48:56 PM » |
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Lost a job promotion.....I was supposedly the best internal candidate of 4....but they hired a guy from the outside who is closing his landscape company down due to the economy.....I guess my Landscape "career" is only a job after all......  |
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2010, 02:59:09 PM » |
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2010, 03:07:17 PM » |
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Hey, it would not be the government if they weren't screwing you every chance they get. They probably hired him because of his inefficiency or incompetence and knew you would not fit that bill.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2010, 03:16:54 PM » |
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Hey, it would not be the government if they weren't screwing you every chance they get. They probably hired him because of his inefficiency or incompetence and knew you would not fit that bill.
I guess they have to keep the hardest workers in the trenches..."putting the rubber" to the road.....so much for 20 yrs of exp, all the Certifications you can get in my field, the respect of the work group I would have been leading, a good attendance and work record....my immediate Boss is the only one I trust or respect in Mngt. anymore.....she hired me almost 15 yrs ago solely on my experience and qualifications at that time.....and I never let her down.....I showed her my thanks by being her hardest working, most knowledgeable, and dependable Crewleader.....I guess she's the "winner" this time....uhhh, second time in 4 yrs.....  |
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2010, 03:42:02 PM » |
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The expression "It's not what ya know, but who ya blow" holds more truth than most people would like to admit.
Also, "ya have to suck up to move up" comes to mind. Hard work doesn't always get noticed as much as schmoozing seems to get.
It's sad, but mostly true in most work places. If your not in the click, your on the out.
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2010, 04:54:11 PM » |
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Bummer! Working is a bitch, at least my 45 yrs of it has been. And it seems to be getting worse every year. Fortunately, I only have another 1 1/2 yrs till retirement.
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 05:05:58 PM » |
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You became indispensable, which means that while they don't want to lose you, they dont want to lose you in that position. It is the beginning of the Peter Principal, ie In a bureaucracy, people are elevated to the level of their incompetence.
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2010, 05:11:54 PM » |
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I know its disappointing and I'm sorry you didn't get the job but if I am not mistaken being in your position has its perks too. If you have all those qualifications your pay grade has to be almost the same as the Job you would have gotten. Also you will not have all the responsibility on your shoulders so you have time to relax a bit or just do what you want to do. Being around that long I'm sure when the new guy gets in hes going to need someone to help him get acquainted with things. Plus as being around I'm sure you dont get much flak about things. Sometimes things being the same is really not such a bad thing especially when your the big dog on the block.
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2010, 05:27:38 PM » |
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That's a bummer Stanley. You're prolly so good in the job you're in that they don't want to lose you. I know that don't make you feel better tho.
Changing the subject, I didn't see much of ya at the FCR. Were you sick ?
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« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2010, 05:33:43 PM » |
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Steamer, that sucks buddy.
Sometimes management needs to keep productive workers where they are the most productive.
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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2010, 05:53:56 PM » |
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There's a old joke here that's applicable for this , but I won't bore you.
Punch line goes like this.
For your nemesis.
You can Bull crap your way to the top, but it does not mean you will stay there.
Stay Tuned, Smile and be Gracious, don't ruin what you already have and you will come out on top.
Personal Exp. is what I am drawing from.
Lost out on a few jobs, I was already performing and had to train the the new guy on the
job I was not Qualified for.
Well guess what I make more than they do and more than my old boss did.
It will work out.
But the working out part is something you have to focus on.
Smile Buddy , better days are ahead.
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« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2010, 06:07:48 PM » |
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Maybe the guy was willing to work for less than any of the internal guys would have cost, had they been promoted.
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« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2010, 06:28:10 PM » |
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« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2010, 06:49:01 PM » |
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It's funny that a few of you guys have mentioned "pay"......this promotion wasn't important to me due to the pay.....and was more about the "validation" that my near 15 years of very hard work, very good attendance, respect and knowledge in my field......I'm the safest Crewleader and make my 2 Groundskeepers and 2 State Inmates tow the line and be safe as possible while doing our jobs.....I've "walked the walk, talked the talk, and actually lead by example"....all the things I have respected in my Boss's over the years.....I never ask my guys to do anything I won't do, haven't done(many times in most cases), or would put them in danger.....I,without fail, work harder, smarter, and more efficiently than the other Crewleaders and put a lot of effort, time, and my own money into being the best I can be at my job by getting Certifications in the Landscape industry....and for what?.....I went to work a lot of days when I felt crappy but needed to help my crew/team get the job done.....I'm not the stereotypical Govt. type worker that many folks always joke about....instead of one of the ones leaning on a shovel, I'M the one ass deep in the hole shoveling like crazy to show my Men how it's done...... My Wife is one of the sweetest women I have ever known...she is usually soft spoken and I have never heard her curse....today came as close to her letting one slip as I've ever seen.... .....she seems to be as upset as I am.....and told me that she's "lost faith in humanity" and a couple of other things I won't mention........I am feeling the same way....my heart was into my job 110% up until 2006 when I had the last promotion snatched away at the last minute due to a "political" consideration that the Big Boss admitted to after the fact....today's decision may have been close to it being for a similar reason.....no hard proof of that though...... I work in the buildings cost center but the promotion was for the Supervisor of the Right of Ways work center...I'd have had about 12 paid staff and almost that many more Inmates to be responsible for had I been promoted....I'm a pay grade 13 and past the half way point in our pay scale....so, I'm making about $5,000-$6,000 more RIGHT now than the "new" guy will start out at as a pay grade 17......they would have multiplied the half way point of that pay grade by 10% and added it to my salary had I gotten the job....maybe it would have meant around $4,000-$5,000 more a year for me?.....that would have been nice, but not the real reason I wanted it....and had they hired me for that job, they could have promoted another Groundskeeper to a Crewleader.....a lost opportunity to boost morale at our Landscape Group that would have been appreciated since we haven't had a raise in the last 2 years like most other folks out there.....I don't think the $$ was the main consideration for going with the other guy, but an added + for them I guess?..... I really don't want to start over in a new career at age 40 and have to work my way back to the top again only to be knocked down again....I guess I'll have to "go with the flow"....I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea though, I DO appreciate having a decent job that pays pretty good for my area and line of work, but I wanted the chance to use my talents to teach newer guys some of the skills I've worked hard to obtain while trying to instill that same work ethic into them....to prove to myself, or to disprove that most Govt. workers are lazy and incompetent....guess I lost that chance again..... |
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« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2010, 06:53:06 PM » |
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This promotion wasn't important to me due to the pay.....and was more about the "validation" that my near 15 years of very hard work, very good attendance, respect and knowledge in my field......I'm the safest Crewleader and make my 2 Groundskeepers and 2 State Inmates tow the line and be safe as possible while doing our jobs.....I've "walked the walk, talked the talk, and actually lead by example"....all the things I have respected in my Boss's over the years.....I never ask my guys to do anything I won't do, haven't done(many times in most cases), or would put them in danger.....I,without fail, work harder, smarter, and more efficiently than the other Crewleaders and put a lot of effort, time, and my own money into being the best I can be at my job by getting Certifications in the Landscape industry....and for what?.....I went to work a lot of days when I felt crappy but needed to help my crew/team get the job done.....I'm not the stereotypical Govt. type worker that many folks always joke about....instead of one of the ones leaning on a shovel, I'M the one ass deep in the hole shoveling like crazy to show my Men how it's done......
Steamer. Why the hell would I promote you? Who could I find to take your place?
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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2010, 06:53:15 PM » |
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That's a bummer Stanley. You're prolly so good in the job you're in that they don't want to lose you. I know that don't make you feel better tho.
Changing the subject, I didn't see much of ya at the FCR. Were you sick ?
I wasn't sick Ron.....I rode over to a chili cook-off in Bryson City...rode some roads I hadn't been on in a while, and met a couple of my other biking friends over in Dillsboro....I get to ride those roads all the time and my main enjoyment was the "BS" sessions and fellowship by the fire pit at night...I wasn't there as long Saturday night because I waited for it to get dark before I rode over the Dragon and back...had it pretty much to myself!!.... |
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2010, 06:59:09 PM » |
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This promotion wasn't important to me due to the pay.....and was more about the "validation" that my near 15 years of very hard work, very good attendance, respect and knowledge in my field......I'm the safest Crewleader and make my 2 Groundskeepers and 2 State Inmates tow the line and be safe as possible while doing our jobs.....I've "walked the walk, talked the talk, and actually lead by example"....all the things I have respected in my Boss's over the years.....I never ask my guys to do anything I won't do, haven't done(many times in most cases), or would put them in danger.....I,without fail, work harder, smarter, and more efficiently than the other Crewleaders and put a lot of effort, time, and my own money into being the best I can be at my job by getting Certifications in the Landscape industry....and for what?.....I went to work a lot of days when I felt crappy but needed to help my crew/team get the job done.....I'm not the stereotypical Govt. type worker that many folks always joke about....instead of one of the ones leaning on a shovel, I'M the one ass deep in the hole shoveling like crazy to show my Men how it's done......
Steamer. Why the hell would I promote you? Who could I find to take your place?
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Paul.....my Friend.....we have a couple of pretty good Groundskeepers that could have stepped into my place and eventually been just as productive.....it sure would have boosted their morale to know that THEY could have had a chance to move up.....that chance was squandered needlessly.....I guess time will tell how this new guy gets along and earns the respect of the guys he'll be supervising....closing up his personal landscape business and jumping on the Govt. bandwagon for the 10 yrs he'll have left until retirement age is pretty convenient for him huh??.....Who said a "buddy bail-out" is only reserved for the Federal boys?......  |
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« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2010, 07:06:48 PM » |
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Don't fret Stan....your still the man!
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it's always easy if someone else is doing it.....
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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2010, 07:18:44 PM » |
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sometimes its better you dont get promoted. At least it is around here. With the cuts we take they actually get rid of the management/desk type personel over us street workers. They 'forced' our billing/paramedic lady out 2 weeks ago. Made her retire. She has been here since the 1st real ambulance service took shape back in the mid 70's. Sucky way to treat a 33+ yr worker. some times is better to lay back, keep up with the good work you do now , and stay under the radar. |
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« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2010, 07:31:15 PM » |
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sometimes its better you dont get promoted. At least it is around here. With the cuts we take they actually get rid of the management/desk type personel over us street workers. They 'forced' our billing/paramedic lady out 2 weeks ago. Made her retire. She has been here since the 1st real ambulance service took shape back in the mid 70's. Sucky way to treat a 33+ yr worker. some times is better to lay back, keep up with the good work you do now , and stay under the radar. I specifically asked about the job security of that position and was assured it wouldn't be on the chopping block.......here's something I copied from a news story today....I guess it doesn't apply to Govt. workers..... "The survey found that 81% of respondents strongly or somewhat (most were in this camp) "believe that if you work hard and play by the rules" a middle-class life in the U.S. is... attainable; 74% said success is more a function of hard work rather than good fortune." |
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« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2010, 11:49:09 PM » |
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Never hurts to go visit with the big boss man and ask your questions. Might make the problem worse or put your mind at ease. At least he knows that the troops are watching.
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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2010, 12:07:15 AM » |
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Stanley a few years back when I saw the movie "American Beauty" I realized that the Lester Burnham character pretty much summed up my aspirations about moving up the corporate ladder. I don't have enough free time to ride my bike the way it is now.
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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2010, 04:56:20 AM » |
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Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men...
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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2010, 05:06:06 AM » |
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Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men...
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I've done that Mike.....but my heart has just about had it.....I have never worked to "please" others, only myself....and I've thrown myself into it MUCH too hard at times....I figured that if I could please myself, then my Boss and others would be pleased too.....and that turned out to be true...too true it looks like..... ......Abby told me I need to step back, slow down, and let the Inmates and other guys take some more of the load from me....she's worried about the effect it's had on my health here lately..... |
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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2010, 05:31:10 AM » |
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Inmates you say. Do you get to carry a Gun. If so,,,,,,,,,, I may be applying for your job soon.
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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2010, 05:38:02 AM » |
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Yep.....two State Inmates.....but they are usually minimum security ones...I don't have to carry a gun...just a big shovel..... .....most of them are nearing the end of their sentence and the majority aren't big time felons....only had a couple who were initially arrested for trying to kill someone and only had one that actually HAD killed someone...... Some of my friends at the Police Dept. asked me to transfer over there a few years ago, but I'm not interested in that line of work....the bad stuff would way overshadow the good you'd get to do.....IMHO..... |
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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2010, 05:43:09 AM » |
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I have never actually killed anyone , but I am willing to learn.
Always looking to pick up a few new skills.
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Big Shovel,,,,,,,, that is a good one.
Don't have to count the rounds fired on that thing.
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« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2010, 05:49:08 AM » |
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I have never actually killed anyone , but I am willing to learn.
Always looking to pick up a few new skills.
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Big Shovel,,,,,,,, that is a good one.
Don't have to count the rounds fired on that thing.
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The closest we ever came to using a shovel was when a drunk guy out in the public tried to pick a fight with one of my Inmates....he was trying to harass him and one of my Groundskeepers......I had to separate the two of them when the drunk guy got up in my GK's face(who happened to be holding a shovel at the time and was drawing it back)...the guy ended up getting arrested after failing to follow my advice to MOVE on and leave my Crew alone.....I guess the fog of alcohol didn't let that message register with him??..... |
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2010, 05:57:26 AM » |
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Stanley, I know the feeling. My situation was a little different. I came up through the ranks in Environmental testing at a defense plant. I knew, and did, my job very well. I trained a number of persons fresh out of college who began making more than me. A supervision position opened up for which I was qualified. In fact, i had about two years of college working toward a degree in supervision.
I was turned down in favor of a four year degreed person. I worked for him.
I was very po'd that I didn't get the job. However, for me, it worked out better as I had the practical training but not the technical training (calculus, trig, etc,etc).
I guess you could say I was a big frog in a little pond, not a little frog in a big pond. I knew my job but would've went nuts trying to do additional work for which I was not qualified.
Your situation sounds different. Your necessary training is there. Small consolation when you didn't get the position. IMHO don't go to the boss and discuss it. Right or wrong, you would be questioning her ability to promote the right person (in her mind).
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at my last two jobs there had been positions that i wanted, and worked hard to get. for one job i even went back to school and took night classes for a year. to only find someone else got the job. after that, i quit, went to a different company were i introduced many, and i do mean many time saving technics in the manufacturing process. once again, no promotion. so i left there too. now, i make about $6 per hour more than either of those two jobs, my whole attitute has changed to were i don't care to advance the company, i'm making an excellent wage, live a more comfortable, nearly stress free life, and i don't care if i ever get promoted. i had lived too many years trying to get promoted, now, i'm just waiting to retire.
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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2010, 06:40:32 AM » |
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Stanley, I know the feeling. My situation was a little different. I came up through the ranks in Environmental testing at a defense plant. I knew, and did, my job very well. I trained a number of persons fresh out of college who began making more than me. A supervision position opened up for which I was qualified. In fact, i had about two years of college working toward a degree in supervision.
I was turned down in favor of a four year degreed person. I worked for him.
I was very po'd that I didn't get the job. However, for me, it worked out better as I had the practical training but not the technical training (calculus, trig, etc,etc).
I guess you could say I was a big frog in a little pond, not a little frog in a big pond. I knew my job but would've went nuts trying to do additional work for which I was not qualified.
Your situation sounds different. Your necessary training is there. Small consolation when you didn't get the position. IMHO don't go to the boss and discuss it. Right or wrong, you would be questioning her ability to promote the right person (in her mind).
My .02 for what it's worth (not much)
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I'm the "go to guy" when an important project comes up that has to get done right and on time.....I was concerned that that would hinder my chances to move up, my Boss told me that the Landscape Mngr said that it wouldn't.....but it makes me wonder..... I almost went to Georgia Tech for an Aerospace Engineering degree.....(I had Calculus in HS and my first year of college and only needed Pr-algebra for the Horticulture degree from UGA which I had that in the 7th grade)..... Even back then, I knew that going into a Profession SOLELY for the $$ was not the right thing to do.....I saw a saying a while back that rings true...something like....."Pick a job you LOVE, and you'll never work a day in your life"....well, all this time I thought I was building a career, it turns out it's only a job, especially in their eyes.....guess I need to think hard about where I place my priorities now....Family and Friends are at the top of my list from now on.......and you are in the Friend list.....your opinion is always welcomed Wayne.....I can credit my Father with showing me what a good work ethic was all about and for respecting my Elders.....I fear the younger generation has gone a different route in many cases......thank you for your reply..... |
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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2010, 06:50:50 AM » |
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at my last two jobs there had been positions that i wanted, and worked hard to get. for one job i even went back to school and took night classes for a year. to only find someone else got the job. after that, i quit, went to a different company were i introduced many, and i do mean many time saving technics in the manufacturing process. once again, no promotion. so i left there too. now, i make about $6 per hour more than either of those two jobs, my whole attitute has changed to were i don't care to advance the company, i'm making an excellent wage, live a more comfortable, nearly stress free life, and i don't care if i ever get promoted. i had lived too many years trying to get promoted, now, i'm just waiting to retire.
I am seriously considering letting my ISA Certified Arborist certification go....I have to spend a considerable amount of time and $$ to keep and obtain the required credits to maintain that one...it was a tough one to get though and when my Boss and I took it several years ago, I passed it the first time...she didn't......my immediate Boss is great to work for and she has always stood behind me when I was right, chewed my butt when it was necessary, and been my biggest supporter......unfortunately, she didn't have any input in the decision that was made.....just before I lost a promotion 4 years ago, she and the secretary at work had bought me a yearly planner...so sure were they that I would get THAT promotion.....which I had known about and worked towards for 5 years before that in a "Succession/Advancement program" that THEY had put me in only to have the rug snatched out from under me at the last minute for a political reason mostly.....I can't win for losing..... The American Dream that if a Man works hard, gets a good education, is honest and ethical, treats his peers with respect, and learns all he can about his profession is obviously bullshit in most cases.....or in my experience at least..... |
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OK Stanley now it's time to put on your big girl pannies and do your job.  Being the "Go to guy" only means they go to you now.....Think about it. If you die today your job will continue on as if you were never there. And there are many thousands of people who are not working that will do your job for much less than you make now.....Be THANKFUL you have what you have. |
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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2010, 07:40:34 AM » |
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I'm going to say it again... it's about the dollars. SS, you yourself say that you've worked for government for 20 years. Having worked for government, I know how these things work. Even if you don't get a boost in performance pay, most everyone gets 1 to 3 percent in COLA pay. After 20 years, you aint Donald Trump... and you aint Oscar, the guy on the park bench.
I implement managed services in the IT industry. It's all about cutting costs. And, it's all about the older guys, dong the job for 10 or 15 years, who now make far more than someone with 5 years experience, and without actually doing anything more beneficial.
So, we 'adopt' the people that are displaced when the managed services contract goes through... and after a year... the high paid 15 year veteran goes... because she really doesn't contribute in line with her pay.
So, nothing personal SS, but you have to look at this from the perspective of what it is that you do so much better that a cheaper person cannot do.
And from a perspective of cutting government spending... this is where the rubber hits the road... people want cuts... one way to get cuts is hire cheaper people.
Reality... and sorry it is happening to you.
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« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2010, 08:22:27 AM » |
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No offense meant, Stanley, and I do intend this in the kindest way.
I've never spoken with someone who was passed over for promotion who wasn't the "best man for the job". It just looks different depending entirely upon where one is sitting (or standing).
I've missed out on a number of promotions over the years. Usually after some review I found that it wasn't necessarily because somebody had it in his heart to screw me over (although I am, at times difficult to like), but more often than not I found it was simply that I was standing in the wrong line.
Good fortune to you at your job. I hope you can continue to enjoy what you do or begin to do what you enjoy. We spend far too much time on the job to be bitter or unhappy there.
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« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2010, 09:33:41 AM » |
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I worked for a state facility many years ago while I was attending university. In spite of pubilications, fair work acts etc., it is my opinion that it is still who you know, more than what you know. Dollars also play a big part of it in management positions, I did that in the IT world before retiring. I made managment at a young age in the state job, it was a "who you know" thing definately (I called friends that had connections), I then turned it down when I realized I needed to change universities to complete my degree plan. The promotion was actually small scale, and I infiltrated a problem area...spent two days there before turning in my resignation, because I realized it could end up with severe repurcussions if I didn't blow the whistle, or even if I did... A few years ago, I interviewed for a high level job at one of the Universities in NC. It came down to me and one other person. That job was definately a who you know just to get the interview, I had a lot of connections in the university and called on them to make calls. It works, unfortunately/fortunately, I was distracted by divorce at the same time, and ended up not wanting the job. And yes, I am/was qualified, more than enough times over, but it seems that people need to be able to "touch" someone. I use that term to define putting those hiring into their comfort zone. It is not always true, but often more so. At this point, I am glad I did not fill the position, years of high level management ruins good people, leads to heart attacks and severe cranial infarction. It took me several years to pull my head back out of my a$$, now you would almost never know that I once knew a lot!!  We did the same thing when I was directing private business technology. "Who do we know that we can trust to do the job, and also fit into the team?" Just my .02 worth....personally, I would stick it out and see what happens, management/promotions sometimes have to occur outside of your current work environment. Time will change the way you look at it, and perhaps they way they look at you! |
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« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2010, 01:48:38 PM » |
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Not always who you know. A friend of mine had applied for a technical writing job. It came down to him and 2 other guys. He ended up getting the job - not because of his education, experience or connections, but because he passed the drug test and the other two didn't. He told me later that had he known, he could have saved a bundle on tuition. LOL
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