Hows this for change, POTUS omits God from Declaration

[bigvalkriefan]

Wow, if Bush did anything close to this the media would be all over it. Tell me this guy doesn't want to "change" the United states

Obama Omits "Creator" from the Declaration of Independence	powered by Aeva

[x]

It doesn't say 'God' in the DOI.

[Chrisj CMA]

It doesn't say 'God' in the DOI.

Well, I suppose maybe you just havent read the Declaration of Independence lately or maybe ever.......because Im pretty sure you would remember that God is mentioned in there.......but hey dont take my word for it read it for yourself.........

It is written that we are entitled to be a seperate and equal station among the powers of the earth by Nature's GOD     Im pretty sure that is God like in you know "God"

And then it is written that we have been endowed with certain unalienable rights by our CREATOR....Im pretty sure thats God too........but you can read and decide for yourself ok

http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm

[SANDMAN5]

I'm really not surprised.

[..]

Phrases from the DOI. Spin them as much as you will

Nature's God

that they are endowed by their Creator

appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World

with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence

[x]

It doesn't say 'God' in the DOI.

Well, I suppose maybe you just havent read the Declaration of Independence lately or maybe ever.......because Im pretty sure you would remember that God is mentioned in there.......but hey dont take my word for it read it for yourself.........

It is written that we are entitled to be a seperate and equal station among the powers of the earth by Nature's GOD     Im pretty sure that is God like in you know "God"

And then it is written that we have been endowed with certain unalienable rights by our CREATOR....Im pretty sure thats God too........but you can read and decide for yourself ok

http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm

The point was:  Obama left out 'Creator', not God... but I see you didn't get that point, never mind if there is any point to this discussion at all.  Actually, he didn't recite the whole DOI from end to end, so he left out at least the other references to God as noted above... time for the bezerkers to bust a blood vessel.

[Chrisj CMA]

It doesn't say 'God' in the DOI.

Well, I suppose maybe you just havent read the Declaration of Independence lately or maybe ever.......because Im pretty sure you would remember that God is mentioned in there.......but hey dont take my word for it read it for yourself.........

It is written that we are entitled to be a seperate and equal station among the powers of the earth by Nature's GOD     Im pretty sure that is God like in you know "God"

And then it is written that we have been endowed with certain unalienable rights by our CREATOR....Im pretty sure thats God too........but you can read and decide for yourself ok

http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm

The point was:  Obama left out 'Creator', not God... but I see you didn't get that point, never mind if there is any point to this discussion at all.  Actually, he didn't recite the whole DOI from end to end, so he left out at least the other references to God as noted above... time for the bezerkers to bust a blood vessel.

For one thing our creator is God.....but thats not what you said...........you said it doesnt say "God" in the DOI.  That is a fairly broad (wrong) statement.  so dont get your feather in a ruffle....its ok to be wrong every once in a while

Yes the point to this dicussion is that God and the reverence of God and honoring God was a huge part of the DOI and our president chooses to NOT honor God as he quotes from one of the founding documents of America.....an America he apparantly doesnt care for all too much as it is

[bigvalkriefan]

No references to God? Try reading it.


"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

HMMM that's one

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,"

Well what do you know, two references, unless they were talking about their parents. 

"We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare,"

Wow, three actual reference to a GOD. So now I guess the excuse is that the word God, by itself does not appear. Get a life.

[Disco]

He's done it more than once.  Accident???

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=218225

[fudgie]

Why is it we care what someone does or does not say but no one, as in the Gov, honors anything in the Bill of Rights? Such as the second amendment. Why do I have to place my gun in my saddle bag as I go thru Ill? 

I think I thread hijacked. 

[Serk]

This actually concerns me on another level entirely...

I'm a proud member of the leaderless Tea Party movement.

And, as long as this movement sticks to what I perceive as it's core principals, less government, less taxes, less regulations, I'll be with them...

The moment they shift from those priorities to religious bible thumping, regulating what people do to their own bodies, trying to change this country into a Christian theocracy, then I'm out. And I'm not alone...

I'm VERY afraid that the "Tea Party" Republicans will take control, and THEN turn their backs on those of us who support them for LESS government and start pushing for MORE government in the name of their god... Then the whole thing crumbles, and opens the door for an even MORE wacked out liberal agenda to take it's place then the one we've got now...

...just something to consider, keep your priorities straight... We don't wanna change our country from a theocracy based around the religion of socialism to a theocracy based around the religion of Christianity... Let's move it back to the REPUBLIC it was meant to be...

*Stepping down off my soap box*

[bigvalkriefan]

You hit the nail on the head . I'm with you on that one Serk

[alph]

The moment they shift from those priorities to religious bible thumping, regulating what people do to their own bodies, trying to change this country into a Christian theocracy, then I'm out. And I'm not alone...

Yep serk, I agree with you also.  My opinion is that a bunch of republicans are riding the wave of discontent only to be elected.  Once they’re in office, it’ll be business as usual.  There’s not much difference from the two parties anymore.

[PAVALKER]

for change???  Obama has been doing that type of stuff since day one.... so where's his change?  The only change I got now is what little change they leave in my pocket.

They (politicians) all drink from the same mud puddle and one problem is the two party system, if you are a politician, and you aren't a member of one or the other, you won't make it.  The "party" won't back you and you don't fit.  I personally think we should do away with the two party system..... let everyone who wants to run for an office... run, all supporting funding needs to be above board and not hidden (I want to know what organizations are backing a specific candidate... it tends to bend my opinion on what that candidate really supports).  And speaking of what candidates support.... do away with all this campaign ad spending on TV... lies and name calling, and such, and put up a chart listing every candidate on the left column and all the issues along the top column.... with their pro/con in their block... so we can get an accurate picture for voting. 

Politicians are the only job candidates that spend more money (usually not much of their own mind you) on getting voted in to a job that doesn't "pay" but a fraction of what they spent to get there.... and we wonder why???  Give me a break.....

Fire em all, let's start fresh.....   

[czuch]

Tars bubblin and we're gettin the feather pillows now.
Why DO they spend millions for a job that pays thousands then leave office with private millions?
And as far as the money suppliers, howzabout the associates? Put a column on that too.

[fudgie]

for change???  Obama has been doing that type of stuff since day one.... so where's his change?  The only change I got now is what little change they leave in my pocket.

They (politicians) all drink from the same mud puddle and one problem is the two party system, if you are a politician, and you aren't a member of one or the other, you won't make it.  The "party" won't back you and you don't fit.  I personally think we should do away with the two party system..... let everyone who wants to run for an office... run, all supporting funding needs to be above board and not hidden (I want to know what organizations are backing a specific candidate... it tends to bend my opinion on what that candidate really supports).  And speaking of what candidates support.... do away with all this campaign ad spending on TV... lies and name calling, and such, and put up a chart listing every candidate on the left column and all the issues along the top column.... with their pro/con in their block... so we can get an accurate picture for voting. 

Politicians are the only job candidates that spend more money (usually not much of their own mind you) on getting voted in to a job that doesn't "pay" but a fraction of what they spent to get there.... and we wonder why???  Give me a break.....

Fire em all, let's start fresh.....   

Thats why there will be no D or R after the canidates I choose, except for sheriff. 

[Robert]

In his farewell address Washington:

    * Extolls the benefits of the federal government. "The unity of government...is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence...of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize."
    * Warns against the party system. "It serves to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration....agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one....against another....it opens the door to foreign influence and corruption...thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another."
    * Stresses the importance of religion and morality. "Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?"
    * On stable public credit. "...cherish public credit. One method of preserving it is to use it as sparingly as possible...avoiding likewise the accumulation of debt....it is essential that you...bear in mind, that towards the payments of debts there must be Revenue, that to have Revenue there must be taxes; that no taxes can be devised, which are not...inconvenient and unpleasant..."
    * Warns against permanent foreign alliances. "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world..."
    * On an over-powerful military establishment. "...avoid the necessity of those overgrown military establishments, which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to Republican Liberty."


Well lets see weve done and are doing all these things he warned us about, so where do we go from here?

Obama is accomplishing his goals for the US he is right on time with them too. Whats worse we wont know all the stuff hes done till hes out of office

[Robert]

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labour to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men & citizens. The mere Politican, equally with the pious man ought to respect & to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private & public felicity. Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the Oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure--reason & experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

'Tis substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule indeed extends with more or less force to every species of Free Government. Who that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric. [return to top]