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« on: November 30, 2010, 04:42:07 PM »

Why is the one carb fixed and you have to sync the others to it? Why not make them all fixed?  crazy2
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2010, 04:46:52 PM »

How would you sync them?
Identical production carbs have enough variation that they do NOT flow exactly the same and there are minor flow differences across the 6 cylinders. So you need to be able to adjust them.

Just my 2 centavos worth.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2010, 07:23:03 AM »

Pete,

I am sure what you are really meaning to say is that they do not flow exactly the same!

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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2010, 12:59:28 PM »

Pete,

I am sure what you are really meaning to say is that they do not flow exactly the same!

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 01:15:11 PM »

It’s true that mass produced carburetors have slightly different characteristics, but that isn’t the reason for carb syncing.   Carb syncing is done to match the throttle linkage that opens the butterfly.   The base carb has no adjustment, since all other carb linkages are adjusted to match it.  The goal is to have the linkage to all six carbs open the butterflies to the same flow rate across the full range of the linkage from idle to WOT.
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 05:04:18 PM »

....slightly different characteristics, but that isn’t the reason for carb syncing.............linkage to all six carbs open the butterflies to the same flow rate across the full range of the linkage from idle to WOT.


Flow characteristics!   So do intake tracks.   

That is why I sync carbs, for equalized cylinder power pulses.

Next time you sync your carbs, leave the gauges on and raise the RPM to several different RPMs and see if they maintain "the same flow rate" or maintain truly equal vaccum on every cylinder.

If they do, you have a benchmark set of carbs, intakes and cylinders, be thankful.

Sync-ing at idle is a compromise that works well for most, if the variations across the RPM range are small as they usually are.

The act of sync-ing may or may not cause the throttle plates to be set mechanically to the same point of open(equal). It does not matter since you are equalizing flow by measuring vaccum not actual throttle opening.  (There have been some carbs that did sync mechanically using a mark on the slides.)

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2010, 08:39:36 AM »

"Off idle" the final arbiter of the "flow" is the slide to which is controlled by the slide spring, the aperture size through which the vacuum passes that raises the slide, and the weight of the slide itself.

All that you control with the throttle is the butterfly!

Synchronization at a higher than normal rpm is useless without having first put a load on the motor. I mean, what does that accomplish? At 3k rpm's you are still on the idle circuit without a loaded motor.

If you were to want to attempt a synchronization at a high rpm you would necessarily have to modify the slide action with a number of different means, such as changing the spring rate of the slide spring, modifying the slide vacuum aperture size, and adding or lessening the weight of the slide apparatus in some fashion.

Synchronization is just that, as mentioned earlier. To get the butterfly of each carburetor to act in unison with each other carburetor and this can only be done at idle where the motor is dependent wholly upon the butterfly and the action of the slide is not in the equation.

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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2010, 09:55:44 AM »

My explanation was more of a generalized description.  It’s true that in our CV carbs, the synchronization becomes decreasingly relevant as you move off idle and into higher RPM’s.  Spring tension on the diaphragm and the volumetric effency of the entire air circuit from the air box to the exhaust determine the flow past idle.
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2010, 12:40:13 PM »

The shade tree mechanic in me screams!!!  "Cyncin carbs makes sure that all 6 of them SUCK the same amount of air"

Actually had a high school shop teacher correct one of the class clowns when asked "what made the air enter the cylinder on the intake stroke?"  Clown answered "The piston sucks the air into the cylinder".

Teacher  -  "Boy!!  SUCK don't do anything for an engine, it's the difference in atmospheric pressure that causes the air to enter the cylinders"!! 

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2010, 12:43:39 PM »

The shade tree mechanic in me screams!!!  "Cyncin carbs makes sure that all 6 of them SUCK the same amount of air"

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2010, 07:25:58 PM »

The shade tree mechanic in me screams!!!  "Cyncin carbs makes sure that all 6 of them SUCK the same amount of air"
"Now who could argue with that?"  2funny 2funny
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