Moly Grease

[RonW]

I bought Red Line's moly grease .... 'red moly' .... to use on my driveshaft splines. I wasn't able to find Belray, etc. in stock. Is anybody aware of any known problems with this particular moly grease. Just double-checking.

[Edit] oh another thing, what is the best solvent to use to clean off the old grease on the splines? Thankx in advance.

[R J]

At the shop we use Carb cleaner or brake cleaner, which ever can I happen to grab.   Probably more brake cleaner than anything.

For grease we use Bel-Ray waterproof front wheel bearing grease.

241,000+ change and only replaced 1 rear end.     That was at 212,000 something.

[Robert]

I use that at my shop but I dont know if I would use it for the splines its pretty thin. Although it does cling you would be trying something that is unproven and therefore would have to monitor it to see if its holding up. I would hate to see you wipe out your splines. I had to order the Belray cause I couldn't find it here either but thats what I use even having a choice of other greases including the one you have shown. Its not only the moly but the ability to cling and resist moisture that makes right for this application. I'm trying the Redline on some wheel bearings and chassis lube points but I still use the Belray I know it works and therefore takes one thing out of my mind as far as concern.

[Valkpilot]

I use that at my shop but I dont know if I would use it for the splines its pretty thin. Although it does cling you would be trying something that is unproven and therefore would have to monitor it to see if its holding up. I would hate to see you wipe out your splines. I had to order the Belray cause I couldn't find it here either but thats what I use even having a choice of other greases including the one you have shown. Its not only the moly but the ability to cling and resist moisture that makes right for this application. I'm trying the Redline on some wheel bearings and chassis lube points but I still use the Belray I know it works and therefore takes one thing out of my mind as far as concern.

I think it is perfectly acceptable for the drive shaft, u-joint, and pinion cup splines.

I agree with you in that I would stick with 60% moly paste for the drive gear and driven gear of the hub.

[Skinhead]

I use that at my shop but I dont know if I would use it for the splines its pretty thin. Although it does cling you would be trying something that is unproven and therefore would have to monitor it to see if its holding up. I would hate to see you wipe out your splines. I had to order the Belray cause I couldn't find it here either but thats what I use even having a choice of other greases including the one you have shown. Its not only the moly but the ability to cling and resist moisture that makes right for this application. I'm trying the Redline on some wheel bearings and chassis lube points but I still use the Belray I know it works and therefore takes one thing out of my mind as far as concern.

I think it is perfectly acceptable for the drive shaft, u-joint, and pinion cup splines.

I agree with you in that I would stick with 60% moly paste for the drive gear and driven gear of the hub.

harumph!

[Sodbuster]

I've read on this forum several times where people have used the Bel-Ray WP grease (drive shaft, u-joint, and pinion cup splines) but a local reputable bike shop (former GoldWing mechanics) said they use Bel-Ray Moly grease .... any idea what they're referring to ??

[HayHauler]

Does Belray only sell 60% molly?  Or is there a chance that we could order Belray and get some other formulation?

Also, is this the one you guys are using?

http://www.belray.com/bel-ray-waterproof-grease

Hay  
Jimmyt

[RonW]

I use that at my shop but I dont know if I would use it for the splines its pretty thin. Although it does cling you would be trying something that is unproven and therefore would have to monitor it to see if its holding up ....

my thinking is that the Redline moly grease is safe to use on the Valk's 'u-joints' splines since the product is advertised for use on CV-2 joints on cars, whatever that's worth. But, for the pinion cup and perhaps the output shaft .... kinda wary about those areas. Dunno, if I should use it at all now. It's not as if the driveshaft maintenance is urgent, I just have to install a new rear tire. I might hold off on the driveshaft lube for another time. I have the O-rings, and the 60% moly paste. I have thought of mixing 60% moly paste with regular grease, but that'll probably introduce other problems.

The overall problem is that with the current Homeland Security restrictions that are in place, I can't order chemical products over the Internet. Those products have to be shipped by land, at least, up to the West Coast. From that point on, it's flown to Hawaii via UPS, FedEx, etc. and the rates are astronomical. $25+, I think it was for a minimum order. More if it's flown directly from the sellers' location. Somehow, there *aren't* container ships that port in Hawaii. It only takes 4-days for a freighter to travel from the West Coast to Honolulu. The outlets here order chemical products in bulk at every so many months intervals. When the supply runs out, it takes a while for the stock to get replenished. I haven't been able to find marine-grade grease, either. I agree, what's the sense of the best moly if in can't cling on like it should.

[Valkpilot]

I've read on this forum several times where people have used the Bel-Ray WP grease (drive shaft, u-joint, and pinion cup splines) but a local reputable bike shop (former GoldWing mechanics) said they use Bel-Ray Moly grease .... any idea what they're referring to ??

The manual calls for 60% moly paste in the drive hub and 3% moly grease for the pinion, drive shaft, and u-joint splines.  It's easy to miss the "paste" vs "grease" part and use the same "moly" stuff everywhere.

Besides the big difference in the amount of the moly component, moly paste is typically moly + oil + clay as a thickener.  Moly grease is moly + petroleum grease.  

[vic]

I use the Redline Moly Grease on the splines of the drive shaft, u-joint and pinion cup.  But I wouldn't use it where the Service Manual calls for Moly Paste such as the splines of the drive gear and hub.  For that, I use Loctite 65% Moly Paste.  The Honda60 and Guard Dog Moly Pastes are also fine as they both exceed the minimum 40% moly that Honda calls for in a moly paste. 

[Mr.BubblesVRCCDS0008]

I use Royal Purple grease on all my bikes places that require any grease  of any kind. It has serviced me well for over 125k on the fat lady. Saltwater proof and high shear strength. It is their off shore grease for oil companies. JMHO

[John U.]

"I have thought of mixing 60% moly paste with regular grease, but that'll probably introduce other problems." RONW


+1 on MR Bubbles post.
It hasen't caused any problems for me. I use Greengrease with either honda's moly paste or Belray assembly lube to add some moly. I really think that a good waterproof grease is all you need but a bit of moly added can't hurt. My splines are in perfect shape and I never find them dry or almost dry as I did with Honda's moly paste the first time I checked at about 8,000 miles.
It's your bike and your choice, but many of us just use a good grease with no problems.

[PharmBoy]

I have been using a 50/50 mixture of Belray WP Grease and Guard Dog Moly Paste.  It mixes well and is stable, hopefully getting a little water proofing with the moly paste.  So far so good...JTL

[RonW]

My splines are in perfect shape and I never find them dry or almost dry as I did with Honda's moly paste the first time I checked at about 8,000 miles.

Thinking aloud. I've read several other stories of poor performance of Honda 60% Moly Paste, and I'm starting to have second thoughts about using this OEM paste. The thing is that I've had a new rear tire for two months already. I would like to get the new tire thing done without re-inventing old mistakes in the process by applying the wrong 60 Moly and then of course what's the sense. My first choice would be Royal Purple, then Belray WP grease. Something's not quite right with that Honda 60% Moly Paste.

[Gator]

" I've read several other stories of poor performance of Honda 60% Moly Paste, and I'm starting to have second thoughts about using this OEM paste."  

RONW: I've taken the advice of the fine people on this board and migrated over to Guard Dog, I suppose largely as a precaution. Prior to that I used the Honda moly grease for quite a few tire changes and never encountered wear on the splines. It's all about regular (< 13K mi) and proper maintenance.

[vic]

I agree that the most important thing is "regular and PROPER maintenance."  As you can see here, members of this board use several different lubes with success.  I've liked the Loctite 65% Moly Paste because it's kept my drive splines in great shape and others like the Guard Dog, Bel Ray, etc. I also have had great success with the Redline Moly Grease on my drive shaft, u-joint, and pinion cup splines. The bottom line is like others said, "It's your bike.....ultimately, you have to decide what to use."  If you use Moly Paste where its called for, and Moly Grease where its called for, or use the Bel Ray waterproof grease like others have done, and do the maintenance regularly and properly, you should rest assured your splines will be in good shape.