Weak link in Valk drive-train for blower

[BigBluef6]

My 50th birthday is coming up.  Yep, mid-life crisis time.    I am sure most of you understand. 

I have a 2001 Standard that i purchased in 2001 and she is telling me she needs a blower.  Over the years, she has hinted that she wants a blower, but i have always found some BS excuse to put her off.  Now with our 10 year anniversary coming up,  she is pissed and now INSISTS that she gets a blower.  I looked on one of those lists that tell us guys what the appropriate type of gift is for a given year of the anniversary.  You know the list.  It says something like "paper' for the first year, "china" for the fifth year, so on and so forth.  Well i looked at year 10 and it says "blower".  I view this as a divine sign from upstairs.

The GOOD news is that this website has a ton of blower information and most likely contains the answer for every imaginable question about blowers.

The BAD news is that this website has a ton of blower information and most likely contains the answer for every imaginable question about blowers.  It has so much information that sometimes it makes it difficult to find answers so please be gentle with me if my questions have been beaten to death over the years. 

For a basic "out of the box" blower install, from the blower through the engine, through the drive-train, to the back wheel, what is the weak link in the Valk?  In other words, what else should be beefed up to handle the blower power?

[fstsix]

The weak link ? The owner!! LOL!!    Maybe this could help with your decision, But you must be a Full Blown Motorhead and like a challenge, This is not just a look at me i am chrome here we go....it will require professional tuning help and Dyno time to be successful, and a lot of patience.

dyno	powered by Aeva

[fstsix]

For a basic "out of the box" blower install, from the blower through the engine, through the drive-train, to the back wheel, what is the weak link in the Valk?  In other words, what else should be beefed up to handle the blower power?
Mandatory needs....Racing clutch and springs, Timing retard ignition Dyna 3000, Performance headers large tube headpipe, recommend large oil cooler, The drive train is solid and trans is heavy duty straight ct gears, The only weak link is the rear tire......seems to SMOKE excessively people sometimes pull over behind me due to the lack of visibility ?     

[dago mooserider]

I've been wanting to exchange my gsxr for a blower. Biggest problem is there are no more dyna ignitions. Without taking some timing out, the weak link will be your pistons. I'll be holding off until the timing issue can be addressed.

[BigBluef6]

For a basic "out of the box" blower install, from the blower through the engine, through the drive-train, to the back wheel, what is the weak link in the Valk?  In other words, what else should be beefed up to handle the blower power?
Mandatory needs....Racing clutch and springs, Timing retard ignition Dyna 3000, Performance headers large tube headpipe, recommend large oil cooler, The drive train is solid and trans is heavy duty straight ct gears, The only weak link is the rear tire......seems to SMOKE excessively people sometimes pull over behind me due to the lack of visibility ?     

I can take something apart and, most of the time, get it back together.     If not, i call my brother who has been twisting wrenches for 40 years to save my butt.  By luck, i happen to keep my Dyna 3000 i got years ago and like most, stopped working after a few months.  I don't know if they will still fix old units.

As far as patients, I'm starting to realize in my old age that getting pissed off is generally expensive. 

Did you collect all the parts and build the bike all at once or did you build it in phases?

[Thunderbolt]

break the lands between the rings if all isn't correct with timing etc.  I think for some reason I remember that the left side pistons are the first to go for some reason.

[fstsix]

For a basic "out of the box" blower install, from the blower through the engine, through the drive-train, to the back wheel, what is the weak link in the Valk?  In other words, what else should be beefed up to handle the blower power?
Mandatory needs....Racing clutch and springs, Timing retard ignition Dyna 3000, Performance headers large tube headpipe, recommend large oil cooler, The drive train is solid and trans is heavy duty straight ct gears, The only weak link is the rear tire......seems to SMOKE excessively people sometimes pull over behind me due to the lack of visibility ?      

I can take something apart and, most of the time, get it back together.    If not, i call my brother who has been twisting wrenches for 40 years to save my butt.  By luck, i happen to keep my Dyna 3000 i got years ago and like most, stopped working after a few months.  I don't know if they will still fix old units.

As far as patients, I'm starting to realize in my old age that getting pissed off is generally expensive.  

Did you collect all the parts and build the bike all at once or did you build it in phases?

The Dyna 3000 is discontinued, they will not repair even if you wanted to pay them, if you look hard enough they are out there but it's a crap shot if it works, been lucky myself had some plug issue's once and never gave me any problems sense, I already had the Viking exhaust before the Blower, So the Blower was installed at the same time the Dyna was, also already had the Oil cooler on it, so it was prepared for the install, The clutch was the last thing i replaced after the Blower was installed bout 5 days of major slipping clutch, from the added torque, Lots of Blower bikes have had melt downs and serious piston damage, in the early stages years ago, some did not use timing retard and even had used the 6* trigger wheel with the Blower, recipe for disaster, also the 40 mm Harley Davidson Kehin carb was used that came with the Kit back then, After hr's of unsuccessful tuning problems within 30 days it went in the trashcan, Found some problems with it on the Dyno when my friend put it on his Ultra Classic,It was extremely Lean on the top in, the slide was not opening all the way. The new kit comes with the 45 Mikuni, much better match for this app, But does not have the bypass now, I am happy that mine has the bypass for street use.      

[roboto65]

I do not own a supercharger but have a IS for you guys that like to tinker I may have a solution for your Dyna 3000 needs and it cost about the same now I do not think this has ever been tryed but I bet it could work. Has anyone heard of Megajolt here is a link and they make a trigger wheel small enough for the Valk.
Here ya go read up i think it would solve a bunch of issues with timing for sure here is a link..

http://www.autosportlabs.net/MJLJ_V4_vehicle_installation_guide

Lots to read but it opens up a whole new timing range and is laptop programable

[Jeff K]

break the lands between the rings if all isn't correct with timing etc.  I think for some reason I remember that the left side pistons are the first to go for some reason.

I've never seen the right side pistons break... ever. Always the left, all three.

[Jeff K]

Timing retard is a must have
Double spring on the stock clutch is a good idea. I'm still running all stock clutch parts.

[BigBluef6]

Timing retard is a must have
Double spring on the stock clutch is a good idea. I'm still running all stock clutch parts.

Jeff, are you still using the ignition maps you created back in the early days or have you found a feasible commercially available solution other then the Dyna 3000 box? 

[Jeff K]

Timing retard is a must have
Double spring on the stock clutch is a good idea. I'm still running all stock clutch parts.

Jeff, are you still using the ignition maps you created back in the early days or have you found a feasible commercially available solution other then the Dyna 3000 box? 

I built an EFI setup based from the DTA Pro8 EMU, so fuel and ignition are both fully programmable.
Unfortunately I "loaned" my good Dyna box to an old VRCC member and never could get it back.

I have a few beta versions in a box somewhere, I was involved in the beta testing of the Dyna boxes for valks. But I can't be sure they are functional, because I don't have any stock Valks, both of mine are EFI.

[rogerthat]

I'll add a dumb question to this thread:  Who still makes a blower for the Valk?  I had considered the idea after fighting the six carbs and googled blowers for her and came up dry.  Are there complete kits still out there or is this a piece-it-together proposition?

[fstsix]

I'll add a dumb question to this thread:  Who still makes a blower for the Valk?  I had considered the idea after fighting the six carbs and googled blowers for her and came up dry.  Are there complete kits still out there or is this a piece-it-together proposition?

I don't like advertising for non supporting vendors, but i will answer a question when asked, http://www.magnacharger.us/ 

[BigBluef6]

So after letting this ferment in what few old gray matter cells i have left  , would it be fair to say that most guys running blowers are dependent on Dyna 3000 boxes, and if their boxes die and Dynatek will not fix them (assumed but not confirmed with Dynatek), those guys will have to park their bikes until another ignition control solution is found, either a commercially available one or R&D their own? 

[roboto65]

http://www.autosportlabs.com/megajolte-pri-41.html?reviews_id=6

I will be putting this in a car I am restoring but it can work for the Valk and I plan on trying one day  like I said above it is fully programmable.

Here is a trigger wheel that should work http://trigger-wheels.com/store/contents/en-uk/d5.html

[BigBluef6]

http://www.autosportlabs.com/megajolte-pri-41.html?reviews_id=6

I will be putting this in a car I am restoring but it can work for the Valk and I plan on trying one day  like I said above it is fully programmable.

Here is a trigger wheel that should work http://trigger-wheels.com/store/contents/en-uk/d5.html

An excellent potential solution to investigate.   

[fstsix]

So after letting this ferment in what few old gray matter cells i have left  , would it be fair to say that most guys running blowers are dependent on Dyna 3000 boxes, and if their boxes die and Dynatek will not fix them (assumed but not confirmed with Dynatek), those guys will have to park their bikes until another ignition control solution is found, either a commercially available one or R&D their own? 

Bigblue, I have thought about this same thing before, what if ?, i ran a Turbocharged Sandrail for years VW motor, Never had timing retard, just set the total advance back 4* always ran the fuel RICH but it was still a beast and stayed together, Your fuel mileage will suffer on the Valk....but it is only around 6lb boost i was 15lb on the sandrail..what is cool about the Dyna is when cruising @ 65 mph you are not boosting, only when you open the Throttle it starts to boost, so the advantage of the Dyna is you can use a aggressive timing curve setting for good fuel mileage but it will be kicked back from the Hobbs switch when boost is detected up to 10*, so in a nut shell just don't run LEAN!!! I also ran D.O.T drags with a 84 Monte SS w/ Nitrous Oxide for years with a MSD 6 AL dial for timing retard i have looked around and MSD does make some application's for Drag bikes with NOS that is also has triggered retard when Button is pushed, I am sure a race shop could help this issue but it's only money and the Dyna is a cheap fix plug and play for those who don't want to deal with custom setups. Go For it!!     

[SPOFF]

Maybe you should just buy one of the new V-Maxes or a Triumph triple and leave the 10-year old Valkyrie alone for making ice cream runs with your Gold Wing buddies. Consider this, it's been out of production for 8 years. The factory that made the Valkyrie no longer exists. Spare parts won't get any easier to find in the future. (Is there still a 15-month wait for new U-joints?) It's like putting a blower on a 1948 Indian--possible but a crime when talking about a classic. 

[fstsix]

Hahahahahahaha!!! OK!! here tell that to my SOHC club as i hop up my 32 year old F3 750 ...here tell these guys that same BS you just said here! Grumpy Old Men LOL!! while you are at it count the TODAYS in every section. http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=b004a2f8a38915443c55fa4ca5e468b9&board=2.0

[BigBluef6]

Maybe you should just buy one of the new V-Maxes or a Triumph triple and leave the 10-year old Valkyrie alone for making ice cream runs with your Gold Wing buddies. Consider this, it's been out of production for 8 years. The factory that made the Valkyrie no longer exists. Spare parts won't get any easier to find in the future. (Is there still a 15-month wait for new U-joints?) It's like putting a blower on a 1948 Indian--possible but a crime when talking about a classic. 

I use my  Valk all the time for ice cream runs.  From Tampa, FL, i often take a day ride across the state to Daytona to get ice cream.   A little shop in Key West has great ice cream.  The gas station at Deal's Gap has crappy ice cream, but the scenery is nice.  I plan on taking a ride up to Maine next summer for an ice cream.  For some reason, the Gold Wing folks tend to favor chocolate.  I am more of a peanut butter guy.  Yep, could not agree more about the ice cream.   The Valk is the best bike i have every had for ice cream runs.  (He shoots, he scores!)

As for the rest of the post, it sounds like you just described me at 50.  I hope my wife does not read this.     There is a joke about the wife riding that could be implied here somewhere, but we best leave that to a different forum.   

Let me see if i can help you dig out of a hole here.  The first part of your post dug a big hole for you.  But i think what you are trying to say is that the valk is on its way to becoming a icon in the motorcycle world just like a 57 Chevy, a 69 Mustang, a 69 Z28, and 67 Corvette have in the automotive world and vehicles like those should not be modified if they are in pristine condition.   If that is not what you meant, i suggest you get out your stainless steel joke strap.  You just might need it.   

[fstsix]

Ok...Ok....hummmmm...let me think all my stock parts are in baggies and boxed carb's and all labeled...Now V Max or Rocket...i do like them both don't get me wrong.....but who cares what i think...Oh I Know here lets look at the Largest metric event in the North east and in the Show area was Triumph Vmax HD ect.....all in the show.....But Wait!!!! The Supercharged Valkyrie gets BEST CRUISER 1st Place...Without anyone here begging for Votes to get the win NO politics!! Enjoy>>> pulled this off the web.. http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz321/kldinsmoor/Rice-O-Rama%202010/?start=all

[BigBluef6]

Ok...Ok....hummmmm...let me think all my stock parts are in baggies and boxed carb's and all labeled...Now V Max or Rocket...i do like them both don't get me wrong.....but who cares what i think...Oh I Know here lets look at the Largest metric event in the North east and in the Show area was Triumph Vmax HD ect.....all in the show.....But Wait!!!! The Supercharged Valkyrie gets BEST CRUISER 1st Place...Without anyone here begging for Votes to get the win NO politics!! Enjoy>>> pulled this off the web.. http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz321/kldinsmoor/Rice-O-Rama%202010/?start=all

OMG, talk about flashbacks!!  I bought a used Kaw 750 triple 2-strokes just after high school.  The SPF (Sphincter Pucker Factor)  was off the charts for that white knuckle missile!!  Thanks for the pics.   

[pvan]

There was a thread about a year ago about a guy that bought a new blower from Bill and he shared his tuning problems by asking for help here<do a search>.

For me tuning after the install was a bit time consuming due to tinkering and dynoing it on three different occasions. Mine did come home three times in the back of pickup that first year, failed fuel pump that comes with the kit, stuck open float needle was puking raw gas on a hot engine, and a Dyna that quit.

http://vrcc.photostash.com/vrcc_25850/MVC-022F.JPG

You mentioned an H2 750... here is a pic of my all original 1975 5,100 miles and yes in a straight line it still goes like stink. H2 brakes are not good, and H2's want to stand up in turns but to this day a blast to ride with a bonus of no mosquitoes behind you.

[HayHauler]

pvan... Love the pic...  had a Yamaha RD 350, 2 cyl. 2 stroke with the same problem... 

That straight seat, with no butt scoop, would let you slide right off the back...
Can you say panic rev?!!

Hay 
Jimmyt