The time is "appropriate'

[solo1]

There's just been a bad shooting in Binghampton NY.  Maybe 13 killed and 27 wounded.  No other news as yet.

Keep in mind that the party in control in Congress was asked when they were going to reinstate the "Assault" weapons ban.   They said "When the time is appropriate"

"Nuff said.

[bassin]

So I take it your in favor of "assault weapon" ban ?

[Jean the Black Wolf]

I have  seen on French tv , it's incredible, 

[Bagger John - #3785]

Unpossible. New York has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the U.S.

And if the firearms used were in fact NOT "assault weapons"?

ETA, from a Yahoo article:

Two men were taken from the scene in handcuffs, News 10 Now television reported.

The area was surrounded by police with rifles, some carrying shields. A crowd gathered beyond the police line cheered when the two were taken away and placed in a police car, News 10 Now said.

The two men taken away were Asian, Bob Joseph, the news director for WNBF radio, said in an interview with CNN.

Hmmm...illegal immigrants, perhaps? Prior convictions? And just how is another "ban" going to prevent a determined criminal from getting their hands on anything? After all...they don't pay heed to such silly laws.

[solo1]

So I take it your in favor of "assault weapon" ban ?

As an NRA Life Endowment member I believe it's my right as a lawful citizen, to bear arms.

My factual meaning of "assault weapon" is a firearm that fires fully automatic.  The politician's definition of an assault weapon is any firearm deemed unsuitable, by them , for the citizen to possess.

I hope that's "crystal clear"

[Bagger John - #3785]

The politician's definition of an assault weapon is any firearm deemed unsuitable, by them , for the citizen to possess.

I wouldn't trust ANY politician to properly define a horse's arse.

[solo1]

The politician's definition of an assault weapon is any firearm deemed unsuitable, by them , for the citizen to possess.

I wouldn't trust ANY politician to properly define a horse's arse.

Oh I don't know Bagger.  It would be the same as them looking in a mirror.  Keeping it clean, I say almost all politicians are @#$%^&*(), you fill in the blanks.   Although we're being taken for a ride by these @#$, I wouldn't take them for a ride in my Valkyrie sidecar rig, there it's Valk related.

[SANDMAN5]

Yeah, it's sad. What gets me about "gun bans", do these politicians
REALLY think it will help!?!? There are basically 2 types of people with
guns...good guys and bad guys. Make the guns illegal and MOST of the
good guys will turn in MOST of their guns (probably!). Now then, who does
that leave with all the firepower? Local university just nixed a plan to let
faculty and staff with permits to carry on-campus. The main reason was,
if trouble starts, the LEO's can be there in 2-4 minutes. How many times can
a "bad guy" empty, reload, repeat in 4 mins? Plus, that doesn't mean they'll
STOP the trouble in 2-4 mins, only that they'll be there! What if just a couple
of staff were armed (legally) at Columbine, or Va Tech? When a bad guy KNOWS
there is a good chance he's the only one armed, what's to make him think twice?
It wouldn't ALWAYS stop a mass shooting if responsible people were allowed to
carry in more places, but what if it stopped (or significantly reduced) half of the ones
we hear about? Sounds like it's worth it to me!!

[RuthlessRider]

I agree. The very name says enough, "Assault Weapon." Nobody designed those weapons with anything else in mind but killing people.

If there is a legitimate collector out there, we can figure out a way for them to own the weapon safely. There rest of us don't need to be subjected to the threat of the yo yos out there that are not law abiding collectors.

[Bagger John - #3785]

If there is a legitimate collector out there, we can figure out a way for them to own the weapon safely. There rest of us don't need to be subjected to the threat of the yo yos out there that are not law abiding collectors.

The Second Amendment makes absolutely no distinction between so-called "legitimate collectors" and the general populace with regards to spelled-out rights, nor does it make any such distinctions between a bolt-action rifle, a pump shotgun or a magazine-fed semiautomatic rifle. All are considered "arms".

Playing along here:

How would you define the term "legitimate collector"?

As opposed to, say, "Service Rifle Competitor"?

Fully automatic arms are already heavily regulated and controlled on both the federal and the state levels, so this discussion doesn't apply to them...

[fudgie]

I agree. The very name says enough, "Assault Weapon." Nobody designed those weapons with anything else in mind but killing people.

I disagree. My dad and brother have 'assualt weapons' and they didn't buy them to 'kill people'.

[Bagger John - #3785]

I agree. The very name says enough, "Assault Weapon." Nobody designed those weapons with anything else in mind but killing people.

I disagree. My dad and brother have 'assualt weapons' and they didn't buy them to 'kill people'.

Ditto.

I use them to hunt, plink, compete in DCM/CMP-sanctioned matches...etc.

[fudgie]

Yeah, it's sad. What gets me about "gun bans", do these politicians
REALLY think it will help!?!? There are basically 2 types of people with
guns...good guys and bad guys. Make the guns illegal and MOST of the
good guys will turn in MOST of their guns (probably!). Now then, who does
that leave with all the firepower? Local university just nixed a plan to let
faculty and staff with permits to carry on-campus. The main reason was,
if trouble starts, the LEO's can be there in 2-4 minutes. How many times can
a "bad guy" empty, reload, repeat in 4 mins? Plus, that doesn't mean they'll
STOP the trouble in 2-4 mins, only that they'll be there! What if just a couple
of staff were armed (legally) at Columbine, or Va Tech? When a bad guy KNOWS
there is a good chance he's the only one armed, what's to make him think twice?
It wouldn't ALWAYS stop a mass shooting if responsible people were allowed to
carry in more places, but what if it stopped (or significantly reduced) half of the ones
we hear about? Sounds like it's worth it to me!!

I agree with what you said, BUT..... I'm a good guy and I won't turn my guns in...  

[Bagger John - #3785]

I agree with what you said, BUT..... I'm a good guy and I won't turn my guns in...  

Weren't all yours lost in a tragic boating accident?

[fudgie]

I agree. The very name says enough, "Assault Weapon." Nobody designed those weapons with anything else in mind but killing people.

I disagree. My dad and brother have 'assualt weapons' and they didn't buy them to 'kill people'.

Ditto.

I use them to hunt, plink, compete in DCM/CMP-sanctioned matches...etc.

We bought them for protection, hunting, and target shooting.

[fudgie]

I agree with what you said, BUT..... I'm a good guy and I won't turn my guns in...  

Weren't all yours lost in a tragic boating accident?

ROTFLMFAO! 

[fudgie]

Yeah, it's sad. What gets me about "gun bans", do these politicians
REALLY think it will help!?!? There are basically 2 types of people with
guns...good guys and bad guys. Make the guns illegal and MOST of the
good guys will turn in MOST of their guns (probably!). Now then, who does
that leave with all the firepower? Local university just nixed a plan to let
faculty and staff with permits to carry on-campus. The main reason was,
if trouble starts, the LEO's can be there in 2-4 minutes. How many times can
a "bad guy" empty, reload, repeat in 4 mins? Plus, that doesn't mean they'll
STOP the trouble in 2-4 mins, only that they'll be there! What if just a couple
of staff were armed (legally) at Columbine, or Va Tech? When a bad guy KNOWS
there is a good chance he's the only one armed, what's to make him think twice?
It wouldn't ALWAYS stop a mass shooting if responsible people were allowed to
carry in more places, but what if it stopped (or significantly reduced) half of the ones
we hear about? Sounds like it's worth it to me!!

I was headed to EMS work one morning a few weeks back. Had my uniform and duty belt on and stopped at a local McDonalds. Put my Bersa in my radio holder and went in. A older couple looked at me and whispered. Say something I dare ya I said to myself. He did. He said ''I thought you work EMS?'' ...''I do!''... ''You a officer?''... "No."... but he went no further. Dang it. Hoping he would ask why I would carry in a McD's. Gonna tell obviously no one would think to shoot up a Lane Bryants or a nursing home either.

[Master Blaster]

alright.  Problem was they did nothing to stop the shooting.  They did do a nice perimeter setup and  lockdown while the shooter roamed the halls and kept killing.  That tired old BS that you can call 911 and the police will be there to take care of the situation doesnt hold water.  At best they will come and rope off the area and make a report, and maybe console the survivor if there is one.  One thing for sure is Hussien is sure to make his move soon to disarm the public.  It is the only thing that will give him the unlimited power he is so desperately seeking.  He has already promised foreign leaders they will have input on internal US policies at the G2.  Soon our country will loose its status as a sovereign nation, and will be seeking world opinion on every decision.  If somebody doesnt stand up to this puppet and the real controllers that are pulling his strings, soon it will be too late without a major uprising from the public, and thats why the gun grab has to come.   

[~ Timbrwolf]

.....Thoughts and prayers go out....to those that were massacred....and to their loved ones who were left behind....their lives changed forever...for the worse...

[Varmintmist]

Hate to sound like a tin foil hat, but it seems to me that you can almost call when these are going to happen.

Politicos start yammering about making a "assault weapons" ban, with almost enough politcal power to pass one and some one shoots up something. I am not sure but I have been following this for about 22 years and I believe that if you plotted the 2 sets of numbers they would track.

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I agree. The very name says enough, "Assault Weapon." Nobody designed those weapons with anything else in mind but killing people.

If there is a legitimate collector out there, we can figure out a way for them to own the weapon safely. There rest of us don't need to be subjected to the threat of the yo yos out there that are not law abiding collectors.

Ruthless, the thing is they were never called "assault weapons"  until the politicos wanted to ban them. They were just semi auto rifles. They were rebranded to make them scary.

Now if you wanted to take away every firearm that was designed specificly for killing people, you would eliminate 95% of all hunting rifles including every shoygun and flintlock. 30-06 is a military cartridge along with the 308. They each have spawned many other cartridges that are used for hunting.  The caliber 30 model 1906 was actually stolen from the Germans and we paid then for patent infringment DURING the first world war.
If you take it to pistols and revolvers, you would have about 3 cartridges left in the world that were not used for a military application at some point.

[SANDMAN5]

Northern Michigan


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.....Thoughts and prayers go out....to those that were massacred....and to their loved ones who were left behind....their lives changed forever...for the worse...
 

I actually already prayed for everybody involved/affected...just didn't put it
in my posts.

[R J]

So I take it your in favor of "assault weapon" ban ?

You won't ever find that old gentleman in favor of any gun bans.....    Trust me........

He is just stating a fact that has appeared in the media recently.

 

[Doc Moose]

Gun bans do not work. Period.

In Britain, where public ownership of firearms is banned, there are still crimes committed with firearms. 

The only difference now is that the crimes perpitrated with knives has increased.  If they ban knives, crimes will still be committed with knives.

Then they'll have to contend with bows & arrows, bats, etc.

Unfortunately, the human animal that is prone to violence will always find a way to reek violence upon mankind.

Bans only make for more victims.

[Master Blaster]

This shooter was Vietnamiese, and used pistols.  Was just on the news, 5 hours after the cops surrounded the building they finally went in and found the shooter dead.  Same as Columbine, all the cops in the world doesnt mean anything unless they are willing to act.  Sure you dont need a gun to protect yourself, let the cops handle it my ass.  We did recently have a young cop go into a nursing home after a shooter.  He located the shooter and traded shots.  He got the shooter, but recieved a minor wound also.  His actions saved a bunch of helpless elderly folks.  That young man is a true hero, too bad there arent very many like him.  Wouldnt suprise me for Assault Pistols to be added to Assault rRfles, or group it all into Assault Weapons.  They are already pushing the idiot theory that the Mexican drug cartels are being armed by Americans, along with it being our fault for the drug wars.

[solo1]

When I started this post I figured that someone would bring up the human side of it. 

I don't have to state what I'm doing, however I will.  I did pray for these people involved before I posted.

However, one should never forget that the 2nd amendment is one of our individual rights, AND that it will be trampled upon ASAP over this.  The politicians in Washington will go down to the well and pontificate on how this country will be so much better off if only they could get rid of those nasty guns!

The Media will react as expected.  All the buzz words:  Arsenal of weapons (more than one), assault weapons, Gun Nutz (I hate that media generated word!).

As for the first sentence in this post, The words of Paul in Corinthians 1, Chapter 13, says it all.   It's too bad that we live in an imperfect world.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I don't own any assault weapons. I own a few "anti-assault" weapons though!!!

As someone already mentioned. I truly believe the liberal media tries to encourage these nut cases when they believe it may help pass more gun laws. Nothing scares a "limousine liberal" more than an armed working class. They want firearm ownership to be limited to their bodyguards and the wealthy. They will tell any lie and promote any tragedy in order to achieve their ends. At least that’s how I see it.

Even when they claim to be reformed "gun controllers" (I won't take your guns) it's a sickness they can't rise above for long.

Like a pedophile at a parole hearing they will make any claim to achieve their goal. Once they are in power their true colors will again show through. They can never rise above their disapproval of average citizens enjoying the rights our forefathers intended.

Last week I rode the valk North a few cities to pick up a Lee lead pot so I can start casting my own bullets. With the cost of ammo skyrocketing and the threat of more lost firearms rights I thought it was time to start making my own pistol bullets. I’ve never tried it before and I’m still assembling what I need so we’ll see how it turns out.

[ArmyValker]

Nothing seems to drive weapons sales like the threat of firearm restrictions... I feel terrible for all the people involved in the shooting today. However, I also know that a person who has their mind set on killing will kill.

I can honestly say I'm one good guy who won't surrender his weapons. I guess they will have to put me in prison...

[Tundra]

     
"Those  who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do  not."  Thomas Jefferson

If you don't know your rights, you don't  have any. 
 

[Jack]

"The man believed to have carried out the attack was found in an office dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, a satchel containing ammunition slung around his neck, authorities said. Police reportedly found two handguns - a 9mm and a .45-caliber - as well as a hunting knife."


Assault weapons weren't involved and I aint giving up my AK, thank you.

[Bagger John - #3785]

"The man believed to have carried out the attack was found in an office dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, a satchel containing ammunition slung around his neck, authorities said. Police reportedly found two handguns - a 9mm and a .45-caliber - as well as a hunting knife."


Assault weapons weren't involved and I aint giving up my AK, thank you.

In light of that, the screwball politicos will spin their proposed "ban" to read "magazine-fed weapons of ANY type"... 

Was the perp here legally or not - anyone know?

[Brad]

Tonight on the CBS evening news they had a follow up to this story.  During the follow up they were showing film of some folks at the shooting range using full auto weapons.  The film had nothing to do with the story and if you were not familiar with the story it would lead you to believe that full auto weapons were used.  Im not surprised, the media has an agenda too.

[Valker]

Solo1, you mentioned 'fully automatic'. Fully automatic weapons are already against the law, except for people with the special permits. I'd bet these folks don't have a permit for them. The politicians call nearly all semi auto weapons 'assault'.

[MP]

Those folks at the shooting range are fully licensed.  Knob Creek, TN has a great fully auto shoot every year.  Just boys and gals out enjoying their fun.  Just like us, on our bikes.
MP