is your tom-tom full of crap-crap?

[musclehead]

my garmin street pilot is! I was on a fairly straight run down hill from waterloo IA to el paso TX the route was no surprise US 20 to I-35 to wichita KS and US 54 and follow 54 all the way to el paso. I wondered how many more miles it would be to go by way of ft worth and I-20 to I-10, so I plugged in midland TX as a way point.

my GPS said to go US 20 to I-35 to Kansas city then east on I-70 to St louis and go south on I-55 to west memphis AR take I-40 to little rock AR picking up I-30 to Dallas and I-20 and points further west.  this only added 600+ miles to my route. its not too hard the beat the navigational skill of my geeps 

[Black Pearl's Captain]

Sounds like you have avoid toll roads turned on along with interstates only. It's a turnpike from KC to Wichita.

Raymond

[MarkT]

Such apparent aberrations in logic result from having a fixed set of code (logic path(s)) to handle any set of data input while simultaneously handling exceptions in the data set and your tunables "avoidences" while also having bugs in both the code and the data, and operating with marginal resources - aka, slow processor, limited memory, and having to come up with a result in real time - before the user runs out of patience waiting for the processor to come up with a soln. You will see fewer examples of such frustrating solutions when processor power and other resources are improved, and they incorporate artificial intelligence into the algorithms.  I have been using GPS's - have had 6 of them now - since before the government turned off the deliberate data degradation 10 years or so ago - and have seen improvements even in orders of magnitude in mapping results as device resources have increased - also in orders of magnitude, and costs have gone down.

As for now - the Tom Tom is not the latest device from Garmin.  Upgrade and you'll see improvements.  Also - crunch your data path in the computer, then load the route in the device.  (I don't recall if the Tom Tom supports that).  But your PC has much more resources than the GPS, and so has better algorithms to come up with better paths.  Also - adjust your tunables (Avoidences) and make sure you have the latest dataset and firmware from Garmin.  The lifetime subscriptions are now priced at approx 1.5X the cost of one update - and you get 4 a year.  Of course, that subscription is only good for the one device, so you might want to upgrade to a better GPS first.  They have them now that are connected to the internet continuously, with automatic updates and online searches, using google and even google earth.  Of course they came out with that shortly after I got my latest Zumo 550.  Which also is an mp3 player, and a satellite radio receiver.  Well sort of - you have to get an expensive antenna and Sirius subscription.  They still don't have doppler radar at a reasonable price, which is what I'm waiting for.  Or last time I checked 6 months ago.

I replaced my Street Pilot two GPS's back.  The Zumo is way faster, with all of North America loaded, and comes up with better paths.  Though sometimes the solutions are goofy.  Often, a careful examination of it's data set, will show there's a glitch in the loaded map.  I have reported many bugs to garmin, which they then fix in subsequent releases.

[Bobbo]

As for now - the Tom Tom is not the latest device from Garmin.

That's because it isn't a Garmin product.

[MarkT]

As for now - the Tom Tom is not the latest device from Garmin.

That's because it isn't a Garmin product.

Thanks for pointing that out.  I see now he was being comic in his title.  Now that you've discredited me so well - apparently your mission - be assured you have the last word other than this post.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

[fudgie]

+1 

[Garfield]

+1 

-1

[Spirited-6]

Don`t "sugar coat it" Joe, tell it like it is !

  ,,,

[Varmintmist]

+1 

+2
M. A. P. trumps GPS

[fudgie]

Yep, try using a GPS on Lower Wacker Dr. 

[..]

+1 and a compass and a spirit of adventure.

[eric in md]

+1 

+2
M. A. P. trumps GPS

+1   but can i ask you old fellers why the large print?? remember im just a child ..

[..]

+1 

+2
M. A. P. trumps GPS

+1   but can i ask you old fellers why the large print?? remember im just a child ..

Large scale = more information.

[Black Pearl's Captain]

Those are sure some pretty nice looking altas' ya'll have. I used to like a good map too but I'm gotten very used to and spoiled by the many other features of the modern GPS.

How do you enter "Hooters" in the atlas for the nearest location of a lunch stop? Will your atlas tell you what time you will arrive at your end point? Does your atlas route you around traffic jams in Vegas in real time (yes they do receive local broadcast of traffic jams now)? Can you find the nearest motorcycle dealer in Dallas metroplex when you have a couple hours to kill while the wife visits the in-laws? Will your atlas hold 1,000 mp3's and pictures of the grandkids? Will your atlas tell you to "turn around" when you go past that turn you missed before you drive 30 miles the wrong way?

Ya'll need to move into the 90's, GPS is way cool on a bike for the traveling man (or woman (hi Lori)).

Raymond

[PhredValk]

I use both, as well. Map is best to find Souix Ste Marie, but I use the GPS to find my brother's house.
Fred.

[Serk]

Those are sure some pretty nice looking altas' ya'll have. I used to like a good map too but I'm gotten very used to and spoiled by the many other features of the modern GPS.

How do you enter "Hooters" in the atlas for the nearest location of a lunch stop? Will your atlas tell you what time you will arrive at your end point? Does your atlas route you around traffic jams in Vegas in real time (yes they do receive local broadcast of traffic jams now)? Can you find the nearest motorcycle dealer in Dallas metroplex when you have a couple hours to kill while the wife visits the in-laws? Will your atlas hold 1,000 mp3's and pictures of the grandkids? Will your atlas tell you to "turn around" when you go past that turn you missed before you drive 30 miles the wrong way?

Ya'll need to move into the 90's, GPS is way cool on a bike for the traveling man (or woman (hi Lori)).

Raymond

+1...

The beauty of the GPS, for me, is that it gives me the luxury of getting lost... I can wander away down interesting side roads, and if things get interesting, or I'm getting low on fuel, or whatever, a few clicks and I'm back where I need to be...

[Marcel]

Joe really likes my Harley Atlas.

All it shows is where to buy more Harley parts and Chinese Clothes with made in China all

over them.

And this sales lady has the audacity to get on my sorry arse for not coming in more often to buy

more Harley Chinese Garment Crap.

I just don't get this Harley attitude I keep getting about how good their stuff is.

I guess you just had to be there.

+23 on the map thing.

[Grandpa Bigbuck]

I thought the purpose of the GPS was to direct me to Dairy Queens in towns I am not familiar with.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

Those are sure some pretty nice looking altas' ya'll have. I used to like a good map too but I'm gotten very used to and spoiled by the many other features of the modern GPS.

How do you enter "Hooters" in the atlas for the nearest location of a lunch stop? Will your atlas tell you what time you will arrive at your end point? Does your atlas route you around traffic jams in Vegas in real time (yes they do receive local broadcast of traffic jams now)? Can you find the nearest motorcycle dealer in Dallas metroplex when you have a couple hours to kill while the wife visits the in-laws? Will your atlas hold 1,000 mp3's and pictures of the grandkids? Will your atlas tell you to "turn around" when you go past that turn you missed before you drive 30 miles the wrong way?

Ya'll need to move into the 90's, GPS is way cool on a bike for the traveling man (or woman (hi Lori)).

Raymond

I've got a GPS in the saddlebag I've took it out a couple times to find some gas and once to find " THE " Detn8er's house.

[Spirited-6]

Ya'll need to move into the 90's, GPS is way cool on a bike for the traveling man (or woman (hi Lori)).

Raymond, you got that "RIGHT" Hell, I don`t know what year I`m in but , it`s not the 90`s. I have to be the dumbest guy around with all the "new" stuff.

[Misfit]

You guys need to listen to Raymond. He knows exactly what he is talking about(when I agree with him). 

[T-Bird]

 a GPS and a Map are good.
" I have found out that they are great together!"

[Lonerbtw]

I dont care. You are never lost if you dont know where you are going. Just ride and leave the directions to the wife. That way its never my falt.

[fudgie]

Those are sure some pretty nice looking altas' ya'll have. I used to like a good map too but I'm gotten very used to and spoiled by the many other features of the modern GPS.

How do you enter "Hooters" in the atlas for the nearest location of a lunch stop? Will your atlas tell you what time you will arrive at your end point? Does your atlas route you around traffic jams in Vegas in real time (yes they do receive local broadcast of traffic jams now)? Can you find the nearest motorcycle dealer in Dallas metroplex when you have a couple hours to kill while the wife visits the in-laws? Will your atlas hold 1,000 mp3's and pictures of the grandkids? Will your atlas tell you to "turn around" when you go past that turn you missed before you drive 30 miles the wrong way?

Ya'll need to move into the 90's, GPS is way cool on a bike for the traveling man (or woman (hi Lori)).

Raymond

lol any good Hooter goer knows most big cities have them and can find them in a phone book or information. If I look at my watch I will see what time I have arrived at my end point.  If I encounter a traffic jam I go around it. Usually 2 lefts or 2 right get me back on track. No need to look at pictures as I 'should' keep my eyes on the road. Mp3 plays my music. I stay home while she visits the inlaws (unless her sister is home  ) If i miss my turn I just flip a bitch in the road or parking lot. If not, I take the next road. More then 1 way to get where I'm going!
Just playing with ya.

[musclehead]

Sounds like you have avoid toll roads turned on along with interstates only. It's a turnpike from KC to Wichita.

Raymond

that would be correct sir, but the original routing sent me on the toll road anyway, and I don't got no K-tag lol

[musclehead]

Such apparent aberrations in logic result from having a fixed set of code (logic path(s)) to handle any set of data input while simultaneously handling exceptions in the data set and your tunables "avoidences" while also having bugs in both the code and the data, and operating with marginal resources - aka, slow processor, limited memory, and having to come up with a result in real time - before the user runs out of patience waiting for the processor to come up with a soln. You will see fewer examples of such frustrating solutions when processor power and other resources are improved, and they incorporate artificial intelligence into the algorithms.  I have been using GPS's - have had 6 of them now - since before the government turned off the deliberate data degradation 10 years or so ago - and have seen improvements even in orders of magnitude in mapping results as device resources have increased - also in orders of magnitude, and costs have gone down.

As for now - the Tom Tom is not the latest device from Garmin.  Upgrade and you'll see improvements.  Also - crunch your data path in the computer, then load the route in the device.  (I don't recall if the Tom Tom supports that).  But your PC has much more resources than the GPS, and so has better algorithms to come up with better paths.  Also - adjust your tunables (Avoidences) and make sure you have the latest dataset and firmware from Garmin.  The lifetime subscriptions are now priced at approx 1.5X the cost of one update - and you get 4 a year.  Of course, that subscription is only good for the one device, so you might want to upgrade to a better GPS first.  They have them now that are connected to the internet continuously, with automatic updates and online searches, using google and even google earth.  Of course they came out with that shortly after I got my latest Zumo 550.  Which also is an mp3 player, and a satellite radio receiver.  Well sort of - you have to get an expensive antenna and Sirius subscription.  They still don't have doppler radar at a reasonable price, which is what I'm waiting for.  Or last time I checked 6 months ago.

I replaced my Street Pilot two GPS's back.  The Zumo is way faster, with all of North America loaded, and comes up with better paths.  Though sometimes the solutions are goofy.  Often, a careful examination of it's data set, will show there's a glitch in the loaded map.  I have reported many bugs to garmin, which they then fix in subsequent releases.

now thats an explanation!  your nailing it though, this geeps is umm at least five years old and I paid WAY too much for it. maybe the original outlay has kept me from upgrading, I'm not cheap but I'm stingy as all get out! the PC miler gps is way cooler and is on sale for 1/2 of what I paid for this archaic hunk o' effluence

[musclehead]

yeah I got one of them too