Nah, No Hipocrisy Here. (Political)

[G-Man]

[fiddle mike]

Consider the source.  The people who re-elected Marion Barry aren't smart enough to be hypocritical.

[Jess from VA]

Consider the source.  The people who re-elected Marion Barry aren't smart enough to be hypocritical.

He was on video, in a motel room snorting coke off a hookers chest, and they loved him for it. 

[G-Man]

These union thugs are organizing a march on some guys home!  Holy $hit!

[fstsix]

Well they got all the time in world,,they are all Unemployed,,extended for 2 more years...The New Social WELFARE,, The Dem's will do whatever it takes to Buy A VOTE!!! Here we come Greece!!! 

[Marcel]

Whoever Robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on Paul's Support.

I have read that somwhere right,,,, Jim.

[MP]

More liberal hyprocisy.

Remember, G-Man, it is only possible to be offensive if you are conservative.  It is not possible if you are liberal!  LOL

MP

[hubcapsc]

WalMart is like The Borg... almost unstoppable... anything tactic short of violence, including
marching on the developer's house (screw him over for a day or two the way Walmart would screw
over the people in the neighborhood they move into forever, if he doesn't like it he can always
buy a couple of 3 million dollar houses in gated communities) is what they deserve.

We blocked them in Clemson, they set their sites just down the road and moved in anyway...

They plan to set up on the Wilderness Battlefield ASAP...

http://www.civilwar.org/take-action/speak-out/wilderness-walmart/

Putting a Walmart at an old car dealership sounds like where they belong to me, but the most
important thing is what do the locals think?

-Mike

[razor]

Mike, I take it you don't like walmart.  Why?  I'm curious as to how you think they screw people in neighborhoods.

[Serk]

WalMart is like The Borg... almost unstoppable... anything tactic short of violence, including
marching on the developer's house (screw him over for a day or two the way Walmart would screw
over the people in the neighborhood they move into forever, if he doesn't like it he can always
buy a couple of 3 million dollar houses in gated communities) is what they deserve.

Your Borg Collective analogy is close... Wal Mart is.....

Us...

If we hate Wal Mart so much, the solution is simple. Don't shop there. If people stopped shopping there, they'd close up shop and leave. But obviously they offer something that people want, or they wouldn't be so successful.

If Wal Mart were destroyed utterly, another large chain would simply take their place. Wal Mart is huge and successful simply because they've gotten very VERY good at providing something that people really REALLY want.

[hubcapsc]

Mike, I take it you don't like walmart.  Why?  I'm curious as to how you think they screw people in neighborhoods.

There's a million "appropriate" places to build a Walmart, in general.  One good place they
never seem to consider is the empty shell of the closed-up run-down one they moved out of
two years ago. I don't know what formula they use to decide where to build next, but it is
busted when they choose a legal privately owned place like "right across the street from
the bloody angle at the wilderness". I would hate it more if the government stopped them
from using a legal place like that, and would like them more if they had enough sense to
pick a different place. They picked a place near Clemson that would have caused a bunch of
traffic, runoff, blah blah blah problems, the entire community was against it, but Walmart said
"We're coming anyway", so everyone voted to use the government to zone them out. So I don't
like big bullies ignoring the locals and I don't like zoning  I guess it has just left me kind of
soured on the whole thing.

Specific to your question, Ray, I think that when  Walmart opens in a previously un-big-boxed
neighborhood, people's property values go down, traffic goes up, noise goes up, crime goes up...
This is from a newspaper article about crime going down in a particular area:

      While the numbers are down, the department is keeping a close eye on calls generated by having Walmart and Sam’s
      Club open in town. Hughes said from Sept. 15 through Wednesday, there were 126 calls to those businesses.

Imagine (and this may be naive) how awesome it would be if they chose to bulldoze that blighted place around the corner and build
there, instead of building in the field on the other side of your neighbor's fence? Remember, I don't want the government to prohibit
the field-owner from profiting, I just wish Walmart made different choices. My experience is that they usually choose the field, and that
the field is just another abandoned bit of blight ten years later...

They won't be in my neighborhood anytime soon, so it is really none of my business, but my road is going to be paved soon,
I'm kind of dreading that 



-Mike

[hubcapsc]

Your Borg Collective analogy is close... Wal Mart is.....

Us...

If we hate Wal Mart so much, the solution is simple. Don't shop there. If people stopped shopping there, they'd close up shop and leave. But obviously they offer something that people want, or they wouldn't be so successful.

If Wal Mart were destroyed utterly, another large chain would simply take their place. Wal Mart is huge and successful simply because they've gotten very VERY good at providing something that people really REALLY want.

You are so right. And I don't shop there.  I can't remember now if it was Walmart or Kmart where I bought a
USB cable on the Gettysburg run a few years ago... I shop a lot at the local Lowe's... they built their new big box
on the site of their old big box YAHOO LOWES! I shop a lot at that virtual big box Amazon...

Change is the natural order of things... so is complaints about change from people like me 

What can you do about it other than complain? In South Carolina we preserve some awesome stuff like this:

http://www.lolt.org/

A bunch of South Carolina (and other) hippies saved the Congaree Swamp by pitching a big fit that ended
with the landowner getting paid and the swamp being preserved I want to lead a ride there, anyone want to go?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congaree_National_Park

Members of the same family owned what we now call The Beidler Forest, I've been there a few times,
what an awesome place... the Beidler heirs...  sold their Beidler Tract holding to the Federal government for more than $30 million and
I think it was tax money well spent.

http://www.scgreatoutdoors.com/park-beidler.html

-Mike

[alph]

Mike, I take it you don't like walmart.  Why?  I'm curious as to how you think they screw people in neighborhoods.

There’s a big difference in a person owning their own business, and a person working for minimum wage.  That’s all that wally world offers.  The only people that make decent money working for wally world are the upper management, and the higher management.  Very little if not NONE of their products are American made, one important thing about buying American made products is that the profits stay here, not in some communist dictators pocket.  When a small market owner has to compete with someone like wally world, he goes out of business, no if ands or butts about it. 

Some people drive a mile out of their way to buy gas for .02 cents less, then the station right across the street, wasting more money then they save.  That’s what wally world is all about.  Saving people .02 cents, then charging them more on other items.  Check this out the next time you’re there, the small boxes of cereal are cheaper then the bigger boxes (per ounce), but most people believe that buying in bulk saves them money.  SUCKERS!!!  Sams club’s the same way!!  It’s all about taking your money. 

[Willow]

I'm old enough to remember when Walmart was a relatively small and young retailer.  Sam Walton gained success by putting in his stores in smaller communities where Kmart and Sears were unwilling to serve.  At that time, Walmart had a reputation also for having more American made product on their shelves than did their competitors.

I think time, success, and the passing of Sam Walton has certainly had an impact on corporate Walmart. 

I remember publicity campaigns against various corporate giants ranging from, "They put worms in their burgers," to "Their board of directors worships Satan in the back room."  I can't help but wonder if all the animosity toward Walmart is of similar validity.

One of my daughters worked at Walmart for several years.  She had some good experiences and some bad.  I suspect her experiences may have been similar in almost any department store.  Margins in most retail categories are not what people seem to think they are.  Organizations do what they do with their employees by and large because they believe it's working.

As to American made products, some are just not available and some are simply not preferred by the purchasing populace.  Retailers tend to try to stock what sells.  If we don't buy them Walmart will stop selling them.

I don't like Kmart.  I'm not angry with them, I just find in my area they cater to a class of which I don't wish to be a part.  I don't like Target.  I'm not particularly angry at them, I just find that in their stores I've sampled they tend to pretend to be something they're not and cater to customers who likewise pretend to be shopping where they are not.

I like my Walmart.  Sometimes I do wish they were more like they were thirty-five years ago, but then I sometimes wish a lot of things were what they were thirty-five years ago.  I surely do hope they don't build one at the Grand Canyon.  I don't think that would be a smart move.

[G-Man]

Protest all you want, at the corporate headquarters, or at the local business bureau (sp?), but not at some guys home, where his wife and kids live, and where completely innocent neighbors live.

Remember when $hithead Chucky Schumer ranted and raved about the AIG consultants who received end of year balloon compesation packages?  He was clever to call the payments bonuses and threatened that if they didn't pay it back, he'd tax them 100%?  Then their names and addresses were released and busloads of people went to their homes to protest. 

This is sickening to me.  What if you're next?  Someone doesn't like the company you work for, publishes your name and address and incites people to march on your home.  Imagine what your kids will hear.  The mess they will leave.  Sickening!

[JimC]

I shop at Walmart occasionally, but I try not to do so on a regular basis.

I have family that sold to Walmart in the past and went bankrupt because f their cost cutting tactics.  Generally Walmart will sign you on as a supplier and when they get to the point that they are a large part of your business they start to put the squeeze on you to sell to them for less. If you do, you loose most of your profit, if you don't, you loose their account.

Here is a link to an article about how their cost cutting is good for the shopper, but may not be good for the country because it forces the suppliers to set up overseas in order to keep the price down to a point that Walmart will continue buying from them.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

There are two sides to the cost saving coin.

Jim

[RoadKill]

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[fstsix]

Email sent to me buy my 75 year young Mother, retired SAGA union musician,,Talent Agency owner one of California's largest at one time....she is starting to see the light  ..                            Wal-Mart vs. The Morons

                            1. Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart
                            Every hour of every day.
                                       
                            2. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!

                            3. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick's Day (March 17th) than
                            Target sells all year.

                            4. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target +Sears + Costco + K-Mart combined.

                            5. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people, is the world's largest private employer,
                            and most speak English.

                            6. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the
                            history of the world.

                            7. Wal-Mart now sells more food than
                            Kroger and Safeway combined, and keep
                            in mind they did this in only fifteen years.

                            8. During this same period, 31 big supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.

                            9. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any
                            other store in the world.

                            10. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the
                            USA of which 1,906 are Super Centers;
                            this is 1,000 more than it had five years ago.

                            11. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur at Wal-Mart stores.
                            (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.)

                            12. 90% of all Americans live within fifteen
                            miles of a Wal-Mart..

                            You may think that I am complaining,
                            but I am really laying the ground work for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart to fix the economy.

                            This should be read and understood by all Americans Democrats, Republicans,
                            EVERYONE!!

                            To President Obama and all 535 voting
                            members of the Legislature,

                            It is now official you are ALL corrupt morons:

                            A. The  U.S. Postal Service was established
                            in 1775. You have had 234 years to get it right
                            and it is broke.

                             
                            B. Social Security was established in 1935.
                            You have had 74 years to get it right
                            and it is broke.

                             
                            C. Fannie Mae was established in 1938.
                            You have had 71 years to get it right
                            and it is broke.
                                                           
                            D. War on Poverty started in 1964.
                            You have had 45 years to get it right;
                            $1 trillion of our money is confiscated
                            each year and transferred to "the poor"
                            and they only want more.
                                                           
                            E.  Medicare and Medicaid were established
                            in 1965. You have had 44 years to get it right
                            and they are broke.
                                                           
                            F. Freddie Mac was established in 1970.
                            You have had 39 years to get it right
                            and it is broke.
                                                           
                            G.  The Department of Energy was created in
                            1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil.
                            It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with
                            a budget of $24 billion a year and we
                            import more oil than ever before.
                            You had 32 years to get it right
                            and it is an abysmal failure.
                                                           
                            You have FAILED in every
                            "government service" you have shoved
                            down our throats while overspending our tax dollars.                             
                                                           
                            Folks, if we keep this circulating.
                            Maybe it will end up in the e-mails of some of our
                            "duly elected' (they never read anything)
                            and their staff will clue them in on how Americans feel.

                             
                            PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING
                             
                             

[Garfield]

I bet the left leaning press don't blame the Libs for the shooting at a Walmart in Washington, like they blamed Palin for the shooting in Tucson.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41224768/ns/us_news/

[Bobbo]

I bet the left leaning press don't blame the Libs for the shooting at a Walmart in Washington, like they blamed Palin for the shooting in Tucson.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41224768/ns/us_news/

Since I’m not a “Lib” and don’t blame Palin for the Tucson shootings, maybe I’m not qualified to respond to this post…

But I have to ask…  What even remotely ties these “Libs” to this shooting?  Did a “Lib” make a statement absolving themselves from blame, while simultaneously exposing a fundamental lack of understanding of the historical meaning of the statement?  Do “Libs” have talking radio heads that espouse the notion that Wal-Mart is the incarnation of Satan here only to assimilate and enslave innocent Americans?

Since you apparently have knowledge to the affirmative, I would say that even though “Libs” say incredibly stupid things at times, they are NOT to blame for these shootings.

[G-Man]

I bet the left leaning press don't blame the Libs for the shooting at a Walmart in Washington, like they blamed Palin for the shooting in Tucson.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41224768/ns/us_news/

Since I’m not a “Lib” and don’t blame Palin for the Tucson shootings, maybe I’m not qualified to respond to this post…

But I have to ask…  What even remotely ties these “Libs” to this shooting?  Did a “Lib” make a statement absolving themselves from blame, while simultaneously exposing a fundamental lack of understanding of the historical meaning of the statement?  Do “Libs” have talking radio heads that espouse the notion that Wal-Mart is the incarnation of Satan here only to assimilate and enslave innocent Americans?

Since you apparently have knowledge to the affirmative, I would say that even though “Libs” say incredibly stupid things at times, they are NOT to blame for these shootings.

Garfield:  The reason no one on the left (or right) was blamed for the shootings in WA was because the Sherrif did not pull an imaginary reason out of his ass to make himself feel credible.  In Arizona, the sherrif blurted out something that he was forced to admitt he had absolutely no proof of when he said it.  Then after vomiting out his garbage, the left wing nuts and press ran wild and blamed Palin because it is easy to do so and they continue to grasp at anything that will make her look bad.

Bobbo:  Ms. Palin was put into the position, for the above reasons, to defend herself.  In doing so, she used a term and used it very appropriately.  They tried to make her liable for the blood that someone else spilled.  History does not own words nor should it determine when and how words are used.  When this happens, they take Mark Twain books out of schools.  The Jewish organizations that came out in protest were....guess what.....liberal organizations.  Imagine that!  I am one Jew that doesn't hold her "liable" for anything.  Nor do any other Jews that I have spoken to regarding this.

[Bobbo]

Bobbo:  Ms. Palin was put into the position, for the above reasons, to defend herself.  In doing so, she used a term and used it very appropriately.  They tried to make her liable for the blood that someone else spilled.  History does not own words nor should it determine when and how words are used.  When this happens, they take Mark Twain books out of schools.  The Jewish organizations that came out in protest were....guess what.....liberal organizations.  Imagine that!  I am one Jew that doesn't hold her "liable" for anything.  Nor do any other Jews that I have spoken to regarding this.[/size]

I agree that no one owns words or phrases, but since they are used as a primary method of conveying thoughts, I wish our politicians would use them wisely.

Since the term “Blood Libel” is somewhat obscure, its emotional meaning may not affect people unaware of its origins.  If a politician, especially of white Christian heritage, said “they have the Final Solution” to a Jewish opponent’s campaign, or they would cause them to experience a “Kristallnacht”, it would evoke a much stronger response, even though it is a similar statement.

Using historic terms of great pain or anguish that describe inhumane or the abuse of people reflects poorly on the speaker.

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[G-Man]

If a politician, especially of white Christian heritage, said “they have the Final Solution” to a Jewish opponent’s campaign, or they would cause them to experience a “Kristallnacht”, it would evoke a much stronger response, even though it is a similar statement.

Using historic terms of great pain or anguish that describe inhumane or the abuse of people reflects poorly on the speaker.

You're grasping for something to hang her on.  Her statement was NOT directed at a a jewish person or organization in anyway.  She was saying that SHE was being deemed as blood liable (and again, used very appropriately). 

Ms. Palin was dragged into this awful tragedy by a liberal left press due to an asshole who ran his mouth with nothing at all behind his statement.  Why not just let it go?  What is it about Ms. Palin that has you and the left so scared?  It is only due to your and the lefts continual barage of nonsense that keeps her in the spotlight anyway.  She very rarely visits FOX (I watch every night), her show about Alaska is completely apolitical, and her daughter is no longer dancing.  Leave her alone and she'll go away.

[Bobbo]

You're grasping for something to hang her on.  Her statement was NOT directed at a a jewish person or organization in anyway.  She was saying that SHE was being deemed as blood liable (and again, used very appropriately). 

Ms. Palin was dragged into this awful tragedy by a liberal left press due to an asshole who ran his mouth with nothing at all behind his statement.  Why not just let it go?  What is it about Ms. Palin that has you and the left so scared?  It is only due to your and the lefts continual barage of nonsense that keeps her in the spotlight anyway.  She very rarely visits FOX (I watch every night), her show about Alaska is completely apolitical, and her daughter is no longer dancing.  Leave her alone and she'll go away.

Palin’s statement may have been analogous to a dark part of history, but I still consider it inappropriate for a public figure.  Her best response probably would have been none at all.  Palin may have been dragged into this mêlée, but due to her lack of grace, she has only exacerbated the situation.

What has ME scared about Palin?  The idea of someone as wholly incompetent as her holding any office of authority is a chilling thought!

[G-Man]

Then just ignore her!  You're giving her too much credit.  Independants, like me, don't want her.  Her statement that we are fighting Gods war in Iraque and Afgan. sent us running.  And everything that she has been through in the last 2+ years has made her unelectable so they won't run her.  She'll be used to fund raise and campaign,...that's all.

BTW, I am only defending her in this instace because I really feel she was brutally attacked, and continues to be attacked, over absolute nonsense  She's so unoriginal in any of the things she's been blamed for as it's been shown that others, on both side, have used every one of the "comments" or "statements" before.  And others continue to do so, which is part of my original post. (crosshairs in the flyer)

[Skinhead]

What has ME scared about Palin?  The idea of someone as wholly incompetent as her holding any office of authority is a chilling thought!

I agree, that would scare me almost as much as some one experienced like Obama getting elected.

[Bobbo]

I agree, that would scare me almost as much as some one experienced like Obama getting elected.

Inexperience would win out against incompetence in a “lesser of two evils” contest!  Unfortunately, that is what our elections have been reduced to.   

[Chattanooga Mark]

The buy an American made product so the profit stays in the US idea is full of holes. If I buy a GM made car, many of the components and sub assemblies come from outside the US. GM is expanding and building in Asian countries at a very rapid rate. They are not expanding their US base at all compared to 3 years ago. Nearly every 'foreign' brand auto is expanding and investing in the US market and has been for many years.

Are most products in Wal Mart made in China, sure. But really, there are very, very few products in most stores that aren't. Likely your local mall or shopping center has a very high percentage of items made outside the US. Face it, for the most part, our manufacturing base is long gone and sadly, not coming back.

If you don't like shopping at Wal Mart, don't. But don't think you're avoiding products made in China (or eslewhere) by shopping at Sears, Target, Costco etc. Americans are addicted to large variety at reduced prices. Our 'big box' stores are simply meeting that need. Typically when a big box store moves into a smaller area there's a small of group of those who complain. Within a year of the big box store opening, the taxes generated outstrip the mom & pop stores that close by a huge margin. Many other business follow the big box store as well adding to the large variety at reduced prices everywhere they go.

All the best,

Mark

[3fan4life]

They plan to set up on the Wilderness Battlefield ASAP...

http://www.civilwar.org/take-action/speak-out/wilderness-walmart/

-Mike

Mike,

The local news this AM had a segment stating that Walmart had DROPPED its plans to build near the battlefield and would be looking for a more suitable site.

News said that a Walmart spokesman said that they were dropping their plans because, "it was the right thing to do."

I don't know about all of that, but at least they realized that they didn't want the continued negative press.

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/wdbj7-walmart-store-canned-near-va-c-01262011,0,7188251.story

[hubcapsc]

They plan to set up on the Wilderness Battlefield ASAP...

http://www.civilwar.org/take-action/speak-out/wilderness-walmart/

-Mike

Mike,

The local news this AM had a segment stating that Walmart had DROPPED its plans to build near the battlefield and would be looking for a more suitable site.

News said that a Walmart spokesman said that they were dropping their plans because, "it was the right thing to do."

I don't know about all of that, but at least they realized that they didn't want the continued negative press.

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/wdbj7-walmart-store-canned-near-va-c-01262011,0,7188251.story

I'm on the National Trust For Historic Preservation's email list... they got us to e-sign a petition... they sent out an email today...

Your support has made a difference!

Just this morning Wal-Mart announced their decision to withdraw plans for a
 Supercenter to be built within the boundaries of Wilderness Battlefield.

Thank you for taking action in support of saving Wilderness Battlefield from
 development of a Wal-Mart Supercenter. The National Trust has fought hard,
with our partners in the Wilderness Battlefield Coalition and with our dedicated
supporters like you, to convince Wal-Mart to relocate their store to another,
more appropriate location in Orange County. We commend Wal-Mart's
decision to work with the local community to find an alternative site for
development.

I want to emphasize to you that we could not have made this happen without
your support. And we are thrilled to share this news with you today.

But there is still work to be done. [followed by send money  ]

-Mike