Brain confused and fried (pistol carry)

[Cliff]

Just got done trying to make sense of the Pistol carry laws of the various states we will be travelling through on or trip form NH to Florida.... gets rather confusing in a hurry,,, states on the way>>>Starting in homestate where CC license is issued>>>> MA, CT, NY, PA, MD, VA, TN, GA, and FL.   Not alot of consistency but plenty of confusion.

[Lastdragon]

You might already know about this site, but if you don't here it is.  It makes for an easy trip planner.
http://apps.carryconcealed.net/packngo/index.php

Ronnie

[dreamaker]

I have a question !!!   Why do you have to carry a gun  when you are out to have fun see the sites. I don't understand it.

[Big Rig]

It's like spare parts...better to have them then not...imho

[Jess from VA]

http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/

[Bobbo]

I have a question !!!   Why do you have to carry a gun  when you are out to have fun see the sites. I don't understand it.

I view carrying a pistol the same as carrying tools.  I carry both.  If my bike has a problem, I can usually fix it with the tools.  If my safety has a problem, I hope I can correct it with a pistol!   

[JimC]

I have a question !!!   Why do you have to carry a gun  when you are out to have fun see the sites. I don't understand it.

Dreamaker,
It is actually a survival mechanism kicking in.

When I was growing up in Chicago I had many instances that came very close to ending my life. You are not far from Detroit so you should understand how that happens from reading the papers.  Those situations were basically the strong seeking out the weak (or young), the larger group preying on the smaller group or lone subject, the poor, the desperate, the drug addicted, trying to help themselves out  by taking what you have.

As I got older and moved out of Chicago to Wisconsin those situations just about disappeared (for me at least) because I looked like a cop (which I was) and the criminal element looked for easier and more effective targets.

NOW, as I get older, I no longer look like a cop, I am a much larger target (read out of shape and easier into that statement) It is just another tool like others have said that evens the playing field.

As the economy gets worse, we will see more and more people that are getting desperate. That means we are going to see a large increase in personal crime. Again the hand gun levels the playing field.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a gun nut! as a cop I seldom carried off duty. I am just a person that realizes my limitations, plus I understand how the real world operates. In my mind people that are adamantly against weapons carry by law abiding citizens are either criminals, or they are living in a bubble and refuse to see that this world is no no longer the garden of eden where the only thing that can harm us is an apple.   

Jim 

[Black Dog]

Well said Mr C 

Black Dog

[Varmintmist]

I have a question !!!   Why do you have to carry a gun  when you are out to have fun see the sites. I don't understand it.

1. Because I dont want cop a inside my waistband.
2. Because mounted belt fed weapons cause either distress to the unenlightened or conversation to right minded people.
3. Because I can.
4. Because you should take responsibility for yourself.
5. Because as long as some do, no one will know who doesnt.


Pick one

[Varmintmist]

As I got older and moved out of Chicago to Wisconsin those situations just about disappeared (for me at least) because I looked like a cop (which I was) and the criminal element looked for easier and more effective targets.

NOW, as I get older, I no longer look like a cop, I am a much larger target (read out of shape and easier into that statement) It is just another tool like others have said that evens the playing field.

Jim 

 

[Daniel Meyer]

Why carry?
http://lifeisaroad.com/blog/2010/12/27/a-texan-attitude/

[sugerbear]

how does that saying go

"because i'm too old to fight and too fat to run"  ???

[Valker]

You know, my guns are in different parts of the house/car/bike and are all loaded for the exact same reason I have loaded fire extinguishers around the house/car/bike. Not expecting trouble OR fires, but I'd sure be sorry if either happened without the loaded equipment.

[dreamaker]

Well guys I am not being a wise a$$ by asking, it help to get along with people is to understand them.  You don't understand there intentions unless you ask.  Yes I live just north of Detroit and I have been mugged and stabbed. With the same token I have gone to some crazy places and bars only armed with respect and courtesy and up to now it has worked.  In my neighborhood they had a saying " if you are big enough to shoot your mouth off, your big enough to get your a$$ kicked"  and bullets have no regret.  Just trying to understand!!!!  Thanks for your info.

Dan

[Big Rig]

Well guys I am not being a wise a$$ by asking, it help to get along with people is to understand them.  You don't understand there intentions unless you ask.  Yes I live just north of Detroit and I have been mugged and stabbed. With the same token I have gone to some crazy places and bars only armed with respect and courtesy and up to now it has worked.  In my neighborhood they had a saying " if you are big enough to shoot your mouth off, your big enough to get your a$$ kicked"  and bullets have no regret.  Just trying to understand!!!!  Thanks for your info.

Dan

Mugged and stabbed does not sound like it is working too well...

ask yourself would it been different out come if you could defend yourself a little better?

[WylieGibbs]

I have a question !!!   Why do you have to carry a gun  when you are out to have fun see the sites. I don't understand it.

He does not have to  carry, but chooses to do so. It is a free country and he can make a choice. If he screws up, the ramifications could be catastrophic. If you decide not to carry, that is also a choice that is supported because you live in a free country. No one is right or wrong, just different choices. Don't write him off as a quack or a fanatic either. If you do not exercxise your rights, you don't have any rights.

I think about the VTech shooter and how different the outcome might have been if one the students was carrying a concealed weapon. It is one thing to shoot people cowering under a desk. Quite another thing to have someone returning fire who is competent and proficient with his weapon.


WG

[dreamaker]

Well that happened in the late 70's and in that case the gun would not have help, it happened so fast. Kind of a Son of Sam scenario. We were on a island called Belle Isle in a car making out,  seriously just making out and it happened. I didn't know I was stabbed till I got home. The body is funny, I guess it protects it self. I guess the wound tighten up and didn't bleed much like you see on TV.
What have I learned ??   Pay attention on what goes on around me and stay out of Detroit.

Well guys I am not being a wise a$$ by asking, it help to get along with people is to understand them.  You don't understand there intentions unless you ask.  Yes I live just north of Detroit and I have been mugged and stabbed. With the same token I have gone to some crazy places and bars only armed with respect and courtesy and up to now it has worked.  In my neighborhood they had a saying " if you are big enough to shoot your mouth off, your big enough to get your a$$ kicked"  and bullets have no regret.  Just trying to understand!!!!  Thanks for your info.

Dan

Mugged and stabbed does not sound like it is working too well...

ask yourself would it been different out come if you could defend yourself a little better?

[tank_post142]

i grew up a 16 & Gratiot . always packed, seldom used.

[Cliff]

You might already know about this site, but if you don't here it is.  It makes for an easy trip planner.
http://apps.carryconcealed.net/packngo/index.php

Ronnie

This site was most helpful.  Looks like in a few states it will need to be unloaded and stored in one locked saddlebag and the ammo locked in the other saddle bag.

[JimC]

Dreamaker,

I did not think you were being a wise A$$ by asking, but I do have to admit that your outlook is surprising to me after you have been mugged and stabbed.  I just believe that life is too short to tempt fate more than I have to.  And yes, I understand what you are saying about respect and courtesy, I just don't want my life resting on whether they share the same thought process.

Jim

[JimC]

Varmintmist,

That picture is a low blow! (lol)  I gained 50 lbs since I quit smoking 9 years ago, and even though I feel like that guy, I'm not quite that bad, YET!

Jim

[Serk]

and up to now it has worked.

I understand you were making a legitimate query, and I'm giving my comment in the same sense, but the problem with this logic is that for those whom that technique doesn't work for, you'll likely never hear from them, as they'll not be around to tell you that it didn't work...

I.E. That's like saying there is no murder, because I've never spoken to a murder victim...

And I carry as others have said, because I'm not real good at guessing, and the one time I really NEED a gun I don't want to be the one time I figured I wouldn't need it...

(Oh, and I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy! )

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I feel like It's my responsibility to carry where it's legal to do so. Shooting is one of my hobbies and I shoot thousands of rounds a year. That doesn't mean I'm a shooting savant, I'm not, but I do do a lot of shooting.

And, I'm just not the victim type. Some people are content to trust their safety to others, or to 911 or to luck. I look at everything I own in the context of "how much of my life did I have to sell to buy it". If someone stole something from me that took me 100 hours of my hourly wage to buy then, for all intents and purposes they killed me 100 hours before it was my time to die. It other words they stole 100 hours of my life. I have a right to protect myself from being robbed of that 100 hours and I'll do so if possible.

In another vein, how would I feel if I was in the situation of seeing someone victimized, kidnapped, etc and was unable to successfully help them because I'd been to lazy to pack a firearm that day?

It's my responsibility to myself, my loved ones and society to be able to defend myself and my loved ones.

[rogerthat]

I have a question !!!   Why do you have to carry a gun  when you are out to have fun see the sites. I don't understand it.

What's un-fun about carrying?  It's just another article of clothing to those who do it, and it provides a little relief to them to know it's there if needed.  It's not like firearms are mysterious, fearsome and dangerous  talismans.  When you already do something as inherently dangerous as ride a motorcycle, what's the concern with a little pistol?

[Gear Jammer]

American Express and Personal Defense Weapon,,,, Don't leave home without them   

[Marcel]

I carry a .45 caliber because they don't make a .46 caliber.

I carry a gun as well, due to the fact,,,,,,,,,,,,     a Cop is too heavy.

Break Down in the south and you start hearing banjo music,,,,,,you get it now?

LOL

[Varmintmist]

Varmintmist,

That picture is a low blow! (lol)  I gained 50 lbs since I quit smoking 9 years ago, and even though I feel like that guy, I'm not quite that bad, YET!

Jim

That just ran through my hear when you said that you got larger  There was a local PO that shot at a range that made that feller look small.

I am slightly gravitationally enhanced myself.   

[ricoman]

It's like spare parts...better to have them then not...imho

2nd that!

[RoadKill]

 I carry because 911 is Gov't sponsored dial a prayer. I am too inpatient to wait for someone miles away to come save a life from those who do not obey the laws.

[Gangman036]

Check out this map.........looks confusing but really easy to understand.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

[MNBill]

I use this to carry:
http://www.workngear.com/cgi-bin/frontrunner.cgi?ri=111&rc=WKNG&rs=T&ro=T&pln=04&pid=TEES&pm=&sid=40011&whs=ALL&os=FROOGLE&ctc=1
I picked this site for the photo not the vendor. I also have a Fox creek Jacket, I know it is spendy but quality is much better than the others:
http://www.foxcreekleather.com/60-mens-all-season-motorcycle-jackets/327-commander-motorcycle-jacket. 
As for all the comments about carrying, I do, I could not sleep at night knowing that I could not save a fellow human being from death because I was to lazy to carry that day (let alone live to ride another day). My wife is like you, it is something she can not understand. After having one on my work belt for 30+ years I feel naked without it.

[dreamaker]

Well guys it has been very enlightening for me!!!  I guess I am not a gun person, if I had one or not I wouldn't tell anyone. I don't belive guns kill people but people kill people. I guess Mich has open gun carry and I understand our governor repealed the home invasion law. I think it is called the Castle law in Mich. I think guns are great pieces of engineering or even an art form. The only thing that bothers me is innocent by standers and people with a Dirty Harry mentality now that to me is scary. But this is still America last I check unless B.O gave that away also.

Thanks

Dan

[Spirited-6]

I have a question !!!   Why do you have to carry a gun  when you are out to have fun see the sites. I don't understand it.

What's un-fun about carrying?  It's just another article of clothing to those who do it, and it provides a little relief to them to know it's there if needed.  It's not like firearms are mysterious, fearsome and dangerous  talismans.  When you already do something as inherently dangerous as ride a motorcycle, what's the concern with a little pistol?

All you guys would be amazed to know the number of folks that have a ccw lic. and don`t know how and when to use a firearm.  I went thru a class with four young men that shared a 38 to shoot and one did not know how to load. He ,by the way failed, the other three passed. Why I`ll never know. The teacher was not very good.  I feel anyone with a carry should vist the range once a year and have a love affair with the firearm they carry.

[Bobbo]

All you guys would be amazed to know the number of folks that have a ccw lic. and don`t know how and when to use a firearm.

I’ll certainly second that.  There were people in my CCW class that acted like they’ve never even heard about firearms, let alone how to use one.  Firing range qualification day was almost as dangerous as an actual firefight.  The range had a large awning supported by steel poles.  Some people actually shot the steel poles, which send bullet shards back at us.  One woman wanted to fire the full-auto UZI 9mm.  The fiberglass awning now has a nice train of 9mm holes from the front to straight above where she was standing.  Fortunately, she ran out of ammo at that point.   

[Cliff]

I have a question !!!   Why do you have to carry a gun  when you are out to have fun see the sites. I don't understand it.

What's un-fun about carrying?  It's just another article of clothing to those who do it, and it provides a little relief to them to know it's there if needed.  It's not like firearms are mysterious, fearsome and dangerous  talismans.  When you already do something as inherently dangerous as ride a motorcycle, what's the concern with a little pistol?

All you guys would be amazed to know the number of folks that have a ccw lic. and don`t know how and when to use a firearm.  I went thru a class with four young men that shared a 38 to shoot and one did not know how to load. He ,by the way failed, the other three passed. Why I`ll never know. The teacher was not very good.  I feel anyone with a carry should vist the range once a year and have a love affair with the firearm they carry.

  I would add to that to make no less than once a year, but monthly preferred.

[fudgie]

Not sure about the States you are going through but some states do allow open carry w/o a permit. Also transporting through States that your not good in is legal under FOPA. Might want to check others States incase you decide to wander from your agenda.