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« on: April 09, 2009, 07:47:46 AM »

I see they took a American hostage. What do you think we should do? Negotiate or use military force? I don't think we should pay a ransom like others have done for their ships if they want one. I vote use force. Maybe they will learn not to do this.
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2009, 07:49:47 AM »

They only have one hostage.... The Captain.... He's expendable.... The crew took the ship back with all of it's cargo intact..... I say blow their dingy out of the water and have a cup of coffee.... HAGD  angel
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2009, 07:54:07 AM »

They only have one hostage.... The Captain.... He's expendable.... The crew took the ship back with all of it's cargo intact..... I say blow their dingy out of the water and have a cup of coffee.... HAGD  angel

I don't understand why the boats are not armed. Surely the capt would have a handgun.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2009, 07:59:57 AM »

I agree, they should equip every boat in that region with a 50 Cal. and watch the fur fly coolsmiley
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2009, 09:16:45 AM »

They only have one hostage.... The Captain.... He's expendable.... The crew took the ship back with all of it's cargo intact..... I say blow their dingy out of the water and have a cup of coffee.... HAGD  angel

I doubt his family thinks so but, I agree.  It is time to blow the pirates out of the water.
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2009, 10:58:24 AM »

Well, ATTEMPT a rescue...and if it goes bad... that's acceptable. 

I heard somewhere that when the crew took the ship back... they physically tossed the pirates overboard, into the ocean.

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Was that true?

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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2009, 11:02:47 AM »

I have always felt that the hijackers should be given a choice .... surrender or the vessel will be destroyed ... end of negotiations! Do that a couple of times and your ships, planes and everything else will stop getting hi-jacked.
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2009, 11:51:49 AM »

I have always felt that the hijackers should be given a choice .... surrender or the vessel will be destroyed ... end of negotiations! Do that a couple of times and your ships, planes and everything else will stop getting hi-jacked.

But what if it's full of oil? We would have to spend billions on cleanup and recovery Smiley

If the US blew any foreign ship out of the water, our foreign relations would suffer a major blow.
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2009, 12:20:24 PM »

LOL... The "pirates" are on what I would call a large "skiff".... an oversized "john boat".... not very impressive.... you could buy ten of their boats for what one of those AR's they are flashing cost. I'd like to take bets on how high the boat would go when it was stuck by a surface to surface missle....  cooldude My bet would be about 85'.

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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2009, 12:36:23 PM »

We (Germany) have armed forces there. Of course, they got a few of them. What happened? We gave them over to the local enforcement authority....nice idea....why not give them their weapons back....

I would say fire and forget....have a nice day.....
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2009, 12:45:39 PM »

I have always felt that the hijackers should be given a choice .... surrender or the vessel will be destroyed ... end of negotiations! Do that a couple of times and your ships, planes and everything else will stop getting hi-jacked.

But what if it's full of oil? We would have to spend billions on cleanup and recovery Smiley Something tells me that if you hit oil with a enough high explosives it will burn ... end of cleanup and or recovery

If the US blew any foreign ship out of the water, our foreign relations would suffer a major blow. I would only apply this to US Vessels.

If other countries wish to negotiate and pay millions of dollars just to be hijacked again then let them. I think the Israelis have it right, 'No Negotiations .... surrender or the vessel will be destroyed'
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2009, 02:21:05 PM »

 tickedoff Put a round in the boat and let it sink! Even if the hostage is released cooldude
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2009, 06:02:16 PM »

Drop 3-4 seals with rebreathers over the side of the ship.  Let them swim out and put a few slow leaks or a small charge on the bottom of the boat/raft.  After the charge goes off or the boat sinks they release the captain.  If they kill him, we chum the water, stand off  and wait til the sharks take em.
Either way we DONT negotiate with terrorists!

Just my .02.
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2009, 06:35:07 PM »

One of the news reports I heard stated that most commercial ships are unarmed because their insurance requires it.  They're pretty much limited to evasive maneuvers and water cannon.   I wonder how many insurance payouts it would take to make them revisit their policy.
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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2009, 07:24:32 PM »

What really needs to happen  is a decoy , several decoy ships pretending to have a  big load and  look like a  easy target , loaded with armed experienced men .
Can't believe they have not done this yet
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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2009, 07:55:48 PM »

If I were the skipper in the dingy I'd convince the thugs that I needed to take a leak.  I'd jump out and swim to the front where they couldn't see where I was.  Hang on, and wait for the Navy Seal Team to come get me.  Other than that, order up a Navy Sub to surface from directly below the orange dingy.  It would be high and dry on the deck of the Sub.  Get under way with a heading for about a thousand miles out to sea . . .  then make the thugs walk the plank.   
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2009, 03:30:52 AM »

 AP
Pirates vow to fight if attacked
Reuters – 1 hr 39 mins ago
MOGADISHU (Reuters) – Somali pirates holding an American hostage on a drifting lifeboat vowed on Friday to fight any attack by U.S. naval forces stalking them at high sea
This in today's paper, Is that a threat???You want to do what??? Fight U.S. Naval Forces??? Well, as Smokinjoe would say BRING IT!!!
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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2009, 05:48:31 AM »

I see they took a American hostage. What do you think we should do? Negotiate or use military force? I don't think we should pay a ransom like others have done for their ships if they want one. I vote use force. Maybe they will learn not to do this.

Well this is America...I think we should negotiate...then pay them the money ...and try to get the Captain back....then if we do get him back great we still blow them and the money up....we probably spend more money then that on the 4th of July....
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2009, 06:40:18 AM »

Well, they said  Obama would be challenged in his first 6 months, didn't say it would be pirates  thoe..don't worry ,they said more us war ships were on the way..what, a navel destroyer  their is not enough to take care of 4 men in a dingy?....
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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2009, 07:04:31 AM »


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Well this is America...I think we should negotiate...then pay them the money ...and try to get the Captain back....then if we do get him back great we still blow them and the money up....we probably spend more money then that on the 4th of July....
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You can't be serious, pay them the money? NO F*&$ing WAY!  Roll Eyes The amount of money isn't even a consideration.

Heck, the "Messiah" is printing trillions anyway. Maybe he could walk out to the boat and ask them nicely to give our captain back!
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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2009, 12:13:23 PM »

Gotta agree with Duffy.
Pay them and it will never stop.
The French just raided one of their hijacked vessels. One hostage and two pirates dead. (ya, I couldn't believe the French could fight either).
Navy Seals at night, save the Captain and all hostages die in the process.
Then we arm our flag carrying vessels and forcefully do not allow hijacking.
Unfortunatelt the likely outcome will be to negotiate, pay them serious money and then start foreign aid to the underpriviledged pirates. This country needs to stand tall and take no crap.
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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2009, 05:14:17 PM »

I say Blast them from the face of the Earth! No negotiations, no quarter! Immediate eradication!!!!  tickedoff
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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2009, 05:20:32 PM »

Pay the money get the capitan back an then show them what a gattling gun will do
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