I Find It Difficult, Holding Teachers 100% Responsible

[RoadKill]

Public schools, like our military, exist for the overall benefit of Americans.

Teachers and soldiers alike are held back from their potential by politics and Gov't intervention....But why should ANY of us pay more for sub-standard benefits ? We pay more and more and benefits get less and less.

[RoadKill]

Maybe instead of protesting for money and benefits they should have protested for what is moral and right for the people that pay the bills! 

[GreenLantern57]

I cannot hold teachers 100% responsible. Period.

[RoadKill]

It is NOT the teachers ! It is the unions that convince them that more money makes it all right.
2 wrongs doesn't make a right but enough money and benefits makes it "not my problem any more"?   

The Union is a self serving government just like the one they are extorting and they are both corrupt giving the workers the blame!

[¿spoom]

I wasn't aware that teachers were being held 100% accountable. What did I miss?

Not sure where you've been, but as a 34 year public school teacher, I can tell you that is is now considered the teachers' fault if any child, no matter how badly they refuse to do anything, fails.

Only by people too stupid to worry about, the rest of us know the biggest factor is what ever's going on at home.

[RoadKill]

I wasn't aware that teachers were being held 100% accountable. What did I miss?

Not sure where you've been, but as a 34 year public school teacher, I can tell you that is is now considered the teachers' fault if any child, no matter how badly they refuse to do anything, fails.

It is not the majority that pays for those services that holds teachers at fault. ALOT of the beneficiaries of your service do not pay directly and yet expect you to raise their children as well as teach them. They expect something for nothing AND they VOTE! 

[Chattanooga Mark]

I think we waist a ton of money in the military, way too much! Today's military, though better equiped than at any time in our history, have largely become the world's police force. Our rules of engagement are obscene and put our people at substantial risk. They're largely held back by incompetent/obscene/evil/ignorant politicians (from BOTH parties) in Washington and eslewhere. But again, to address your earlier question, I'm confident we waist way too much money in the military. We simply have too many 'non essential' personell in Washington feeding off the 'milatry' teet.


Mark 

[Jabba]

They expect something for nothing AND they VOTE! 

And THAT right there is the bottom line with what's wrong in America in MY opinion.

Totally boiled down to one sentence.

Roadkill... I'm glad I know ya.  And I look forward to seeing you again.

Jabba

[Valker]

I wasn't aware that teachers were being held 100% accountable. What did I miss?

Not sure where you've been, but as a 34 year public school teacher, I can tell you that is is now considered the teachers' fault if any child, no matter how badly they refuse to do anything, fails.

Only by people too stupid to worry about, the rest of us know the biggest factor is what ever's going on at home.

Spoom, your last line is probably true, but some of these folks are also the ones in charge of whether you have a job or not. I'm eligible to retire (5 years ago really) so they don't hold much sway with me, but some of the good teachers are quite young and have to think about that.

[Valker]

Example: http://209.157.64.201/focus/chat/2682531/posts?page=1
Unless Chuck is teaching. http://images34.fotki.com/v1191/photos/9/127099/8284039/nimated_gif_selection_9pmO4_11-vi.gif

[RuthlessRider]

It is NOT the teachers ! It is the unions that convince them that more money makes it all right.
2 wrongs doesn't make a right but enough money and benefits makes it "not my problem any more"?   

The Union is a self serving government just like the one they are extorting and they are both corrupt giving the workers the blame!

You need to do a little more research before you speak. Teacher unions in WI for the past 20 years have been working under what is called a QEO imposed by the state. Teachers, specifically, not other state workers, have been limited to no more that a 3.8% increase in wages and benefits. Because benefit increase have gone up precipitously during that time, most of that 3.8% has been eaten up by increases in health insurance. As a consequence, teachers have receive in most case less than 1% increases per year.

What gets me is most people have no clue who state workers are. They fail to see that the state employees that are the bulwark of your state govenment, in any state, are usually educated better than the average guy out there. Trust me it is not the average high school drop out or graduate running your departments of natural resources, motor vehicles, revenue, education, etc., etc. In WI, for example studies show that the only state workers who make more than their private employee counterpart are high school drop-outs, in all other levels of education public employees are paid less than their private counterparts.

[RuthlessRider]

I think we waist a ton of money in the military, way too much! Today's military, though better equiped than at any time in our history, have largely become the world's police force. Our rules of engagement are obscene and put our people at substantial risk. They're largely held back by incompetent/obscene/evil/ignorant politicians (from BOTH parties) in Washington and eslewhere. But again, to address your earlier question, I'm confident we waist way too much money in the military. We simply have too many 'non essential' personell in Washington feeding off the 'milatry' teet.


Mark 

AMEN!

[Brad]

Example: http://209.157.64.201/focus/chat/2682531/posts?page=1
Unless Chuck is teaching. http://images34.fotki.com/v1191/photos/9/127099/8284039/nimated_gif_selection_9pmO4_11-vi.gif

Had a Junior High history teacher with only one arm.  He had a case of wooden yard sticks in the front of the class and always had one in his hand.  He wandered around the class as he was lecturing and if he caught you drifting or daydreaming he slammed that yard stick across the flat of your desk, breaking it in a large clap of thunder.  Brought you right back to reality, some might even have wet their pants.  The teacher just keep on lecturing as if nothing happened, wandered back to his box and rearmed himself with another yard stick.

Chuck has the right idea too.     

[Jabba]

As a consequence, teachers have receive in most case less than 1% increases per year.

Huh...he have not had ANY raises in over 3 years.  1% per year looks pretty good from where I am standing.

Jabba

[Sludge]

I think we waist a ton of money in the military, way too much! Today's military, though better equiped than at any time in our history, have largely become the world's police force. Our rules of engagement are obscene and put our people at substantial risk. They're largely held back by incompetent/obscene/evil/ignorant politicians (from BOTH parties) in Washington and eslewhere. But again, to address your earlier question, I'm confident we waist way too much money in the military. We simply have too many 'non essential' personell in Washington feeding off the 'milatry' teet.


Mark 

AMEN!

Guys, while Im a pro military guy and all.  I see that it needs some restructuring etc to save money.  However, this isnt related to the teacher pay issue.  That is a state issue.  The military is a federal government issue. 

[Sludge]

They expect something for nothing AND they VOTE! 

And THAT right there is the bottom line with what's wrong in America in MY opinion.

Totally boiled down to one sentence.

Roadkill... I'm glad I know ya.  And I look forward to seeing you again.

Jabba

Ditto!  Well Said!

[RoadKill]

I'd be hopping mad too if my EMPLOYER thought  they had the right to decide how much money I made ! Who the hell do they think they are ? With these gas prices I need a fuel allowance to get to work now too!

[Jabba]

I make the Owner of our company money.  He pays me well enough (pay and benefits both tangible and intangible) for me to stick around.

That's how things SHOULD be IMO.

Jabba