csj
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« on: March 04, 2011, 05:53:19 AM » |
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Just before Inzane X last year, another Valk owner,
who couldn't make the trip, asked me to enquire
about more front braking for the Valk.
I had no idea myself, so after arriving at IZX I was directed
to, I think, Darryl, asked him about more stopping power
for the phat lady, he had two suggestions;
1/ Change brake lines to solid/braded.
2/ Change front calipers to VTX type (3 piston)
Brake lines are easy, so, has anybody tried the VTX calipers?
Do they slip right in there, or do you have to do Mods?
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« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2011, 07:15:22 AM » |
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oem pads are rated HH friction the highest out there. however some companies rate their pads HH+.
vesrah and ferodo are some of the top pads. if u increase braking at the disk too much u will lock up the front wheel too easily unless u change the tire to a softer compound, which means shorter tire life. there is a fine balance btwn the tire to road surface friction and the disk to pad friction.
motorcycle consumer news tested the valkyrie std for short braking distance in '97 and it still ranks in the top 3 for shortess distance from 60 mph. it is better than most sport bikes. for a few yrs only the trimuph triple was about 1 ft shorter.
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MP
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2011, 07:23:53 AM » |
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I can lock up the front wheel with OEM brakes. How do you get more braking than that?
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2011, 07:46:09 AM » |
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Greetings Valkyrians!
Personally I'd be looking a bit firmer feeling on the brake lever. I have not yet needed more than 2 fingers on the brake, to the date, but I have to admit that the feeling is a bit mushy. So the braided brake lines really work? Any recommendation on brands / vendors? I've seen some rather suspicious looking riggings on sale out there...... ???
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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2011, 07:56:58 AM » |
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I installed Galfer SS braided brake and clutch lines about 4 years ago. Noticed a firmer lever and pedal, but the braking action was about the same.
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2011, 08:11:28 AM » |
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did the galfer rust? seems i heard one brand rust, but don't remember which one.
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Valkpilot
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What does the data say?
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2011, 08:27:39 AM » |
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Just before Inzane X last year, another Valk owner,
who couldn't make the trip, asked me to enquire
about more front braking for the Valk.
I had no idea myself, so after arriving at IZX I was directed
to, I think, Darryl, asked him about more stopping power
for the phat lady, he had two suggestions;
1/ Change brake lines to solid/braded.
2/ Change front calipers to VTX type (3 piston)
Brake lines are easy, so, has anybody tried the VTX calipers?
Do they slip right in there, or do you have to do Mods?
The relative benefits of SS braided brake lines was hotly debated a couple of months ago. http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,19915.msg171434.html#msg171434My position is that with SS braided lines there is a measureable improvement in the system's ability to transmit force at the lever to movement of the caliper piston. |
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csj
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2011, 08:47:02 AM » |
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Well thank-you for those opinions so far. I've heard opinions
back and forth on the brake lines issue.
So, MP, you can lock up your front. I've tried for years on
the hardest stop I could do, mine will not lock up.
It's as if I had anti-lock.
I asked the question because it seems I oughtta be able
to haul 'er down a little quicker from say 60mph.
So far it seems nobody has tried the VTX caliper.
I'll bet just the parts alone would be a bundle.
I've tried a few different pads on offer from my shop,
I don't notice a lotta difference there.
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2011, 09:09:05 AM » |
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did the galfer rust? seems i heard one brand rust, but don't remember which one.
I can't tell. Too dirty right now! I'll check when I wash it. Might be a while!  |
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2011, 11:00:05 AM » |
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Thanks Valkpilot! Wow that was interesting read.... not sure if I'm necessarily any wiser ( although that is not any of the writer's fault  ) but rivetin read no matter what. I am beginning slowly to incline to the braid hose believers side. But I guess there is only one way for me to find out. Go and get me a set. Thanks also for everyone else who chimed in Cheers! Orvo |
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2011, 11:07:11 AM » |
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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2011, 11:27:27 AM » |
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Not trying to start an argument but if you replace a steel brake line tube with anything flexible, you are getting less stability rather that more.
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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2011, 11:39:14 AM » |
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braided steel lines............ ???
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2011, 06:13:06 PM » |
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I'm with MP on this one, I can lock the front wheel on my STD or even the I/S, There is no doubt you could get a firmer lever feel with the braided lines, (nice upgrade) But the pressure generated by the master cylinder should remain the same, A couple of years ago I noticed in panic stop that I could pull the lever clear to the grip, A fluid change and bleeding took care of that.
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2011, 06:32:31 PM » |
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I know that the reviews say that the valk is top of the list for stopping but I wasn't happy with the stopping till I did new rotors and pads both were the EBC brand the rotors are the wave and the pads are the sintered pads I also do have the stainless lines. Braking gives me a confidence I didn't have before and there is no fade in fact the hotter the better. The lines really dont do anything to improve braking except to give a better feel/control and reaction time. It seems the pads do last longer also which is a nice benefit.  |
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2011, 09:24:30 AM » |
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I'm with the Original poster on this one....
So far I have been able to stop, but this bike scares me in stopping ....maybe I am spoiled with my wing brakes.
It may also be my floorboards on the Valk, give me a different feel.
Bike feels like a tank, to me when stopping, sometimes that yellow lite decision, gets me nervous.
Wing stops like a a Champ.
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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2011, 10:00:05 AM » |
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I'm with the Original poster on this one....
So far I have been able to stop, but this bike scares me in stopping ....maybe I am spoiled with my wing brakes.
It may also be my floorboards on the Valk, give me a different feel.
Bike feels like a tank, to me when stopping, sometimes that yellow lite decision, gets me nervous.
Wing stops like a a Champ.
I rode a Goldwing once, I thought the rear brakes were incredible, almost scary, compared to my Valkyrie. I almost never ever use just the rear brakes, though... a few times when I've had to stop fast, the way the Valkyrie stopped has given me confidence... 1. do most people use both brakes all the time? 2. after two or three tires (it seems to be turning out that way anyhow) I take off my calipers, clean everything up all shiny, replace the seals and put in new fluid - is that way more than most people do that kind of maintenance? -Mike |
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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2011, 10:33:05 AM » |
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I'm with the Original poster on this one....
So far I have been able to stop, but this bike scares me in stopping ....maybe I am spoiled with my wing brakes.
It may also be my floorboards on the Valk, give me a different feel.
Bike feels like a tank, to me when stopping, sometimes that yellow lite decision, gets me nervous.
Wing stops like a a Champ.
I rode a Goldwing once, I thought the rear brakes were incredible, almost scary, compared to my Valkyrie. I almost never ever use just the rear brakes, though... a few times when I've had to stop fast, the way the Valkyrie stopped has given me confidence... 1. do most people use both brakes all the time? 2. after two or three tires (it seems to be turning out that way anyhow) I take off my calipers, clean everything up all shiny, replace the seals and put in new fluid - is that way more than most people do that kind of maintenance? -Mike Newer Goldwings have linked brakes, so pressing on the rear will apply both brakes, in different proportions. I always use both brakes when slowing from 15 MPH+, front more pressure than rear. At less than 15 MPH, I use rear only to keep the forks from diving. It seems a little easier to control at slow speeds (or slow races) with the rear only. I replace the brake fluid every 3-4 years, depending on how it looks. Once it's darker than honey, I flush and refill. I only replace seals if I rebuild the calipers. |
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« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2011, 12:06:16 PM » |
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Remember that the 1800 calipers are off a linked braking system. Assuming they're a bolton replacement, you'd have to custom build hoses to jump from the middle piston to the outer pistons in order to use all 3 pistons.
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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2011, 12:23:51 PM » |
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Why try to lock up the wheel? As long as the brakes stop you in a good controled manner an as fast as possible you don't want them to lock up .I did that once with a shadow an never want to do it again.Ended up in a ditch.I can lock up my valk brakes real easy an my darkside tire will also lock up easy.Still not a good idea
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csj
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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2011, 02:38:47 PM » |
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Why would I want to lock up the front? I'd just like to have the ability.
I can't lock up my front wheel, well, except on dirt/grit,
then it'll lock and slide. On clean pavement, uh-uh, no lock.
And the stopping distance is a bit long.
The picture on Serk's post of the vtx caliper appears to have two
brake lines (for coupled/linked brake?), seems reasonable.
So you would truly have to make a short harness to join them, then all three pistons would work.
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