ammo/ +P

[X Ring]

Thx guys, i'll have her switch it out at home. Was at the farm store a month ago and they had the +P and the FMJ for the same price. I grabbed the +P cause it was a hollow point. The grain was a little heavier then FMJ.

Now what about auto's? I know, well I read, alot of folks using +P in their Bersa auto's. I dont believe my Bersa 380 & 40 are stamped +P. Nothing in the manual.

I have been shooting +P ammo in my Glocks for 15 years and in my (sold before the Glocks) 92SF's.

Mase is very correct with this.  High quality modern firearms from a top tier manufacturer (glock, Beretta, S&W, etc) will handle +P ammo without a doubt and you will NOT find a +P stamp on the weapon. 

Marty

[X Ring]

Oh, and Mark is right. 99.9% of the time a primer will barely unseat the bullet from the crimping and it will get lodged in the forcing cone.   

I don't know who "Mark" is, but I was replying to a post that said the primer alone cannot push the bullet into the barrel far enough to allow the cylinder to rotate.

Here is an example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_deaths



Scroll down about half way to 1993: Actor Brandon Lee, son of Bruce Lee

Hey Bobbo, what stops the bullet is the rifling in the barrel. The very low velocity of a primer only round can not overcome the resistance encountered when the bullet enters the forcing cone and contacts the rifling.  That being said, Brandon Lee was killed by a blank gun.  They don't have rifling as they don't need it. 

And as far as the "Internet Discussions" you've read, I suppose you believe everything you've read on the internet?

Marty.

[Bobbo]

Oh, and Mark is right. 99.9% of the time a primer will barely unseat the bullet from the crimping and it will get lodged in the forcing cone.   

I don't know who "Mark" is, but I was replying to a post that said the primer alone cannot push the bullet into the barrel far enough to allow the cylinder to rotate.

Here is an example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_deaths



Scroll down about half way to 1993: Actor Brandon Lee, son of Bruce Lee

Hey Bobbo, what stops the bullet is the rifling in the barrel. The very low velocity of a primer only round can not overcome the resistance encountered when the bullet enters the forcing cone and contacts the rifling.  That being said, Brandon Lee was killed by a blank gun.  They don't have rifling as they don't need it. 

And as far as the "Internet Discussions" you've read, I suppose you believe everything you've read on the internet?

Marty.

Yes, I know all those people in discussion forums telling their experience and sharing information about clearing a bullet stuck in the barrel from a primer only round are involved in a vast conspiracy to discredit your expertise.

[Varmintmist]

I find myself

partially

agreeing with Bobbo.

I have seen a squib in a revolver enter the bbl and the next round behind it expanded the barrel.

Ruger Security Six, 6 in bbl, blue. He was shooting next to me. Bbl grew a ring about 3 in down.

[Ratdog]

+1 the advice to refrain from, unless the gun is a .357 or designed to handle the warmer loadings in the .38 class

[Bobbo]

Thx guys, i'll have her switch it out at home. Was at the farm store a month ago and they had the +P and the FMJ for the same price. I grabbed the +P cause it was a hollow point. The grain was a little heavier then FMJ.

Now what about auto's? I know, well I read, alot of folks using +P in their Bersa auto's. I dont believe my Bersa 380 & 40 are stamped +P. Nothing in the manual.

I have been shooting +P ammo in my Glocks for 15 years and in my (sold before the Glocks) 92SF's.

Mase is very correct with this.  High quality modern firearms from a top tier manufacturer (glock, Beretta, S&W, etc) will handle +P ammo without a doubt and you will NOT find a +P stamp on the weapon. 

Marty

Looks like I've got a "fake" S&W .38 +P... 

[X Ring]

I find myself

partially

agreeing with Bobbo.

I have seen a squib in a revolver enter the bbl and the next round behind it expanded the barrel.

Ruger Security Six, 6 in bbl, blue. He was shooting next to me. Bbl grew a ring about 3 in down.

There's many variations of squibs.  I was and have always been in this thread speaking of rounds with no powder inside the case.

Marty

[X Ring]

Thx guys, i'll have her switch it out at home. Was at the farm store a month ago and they had the +P and the FMJ for the same price. I grabbed the +P cause it was a hollow point. The grain was a little heavier then FMJ.

Now what about auto's? I know, well I read, alot of folks using +P in their Bersa auto's. I dont believe my Bersa 380 & 40 are stamped +P. Nothing in the manual.

I have been shooting +P ammo in my Glocks for 15 years and in my (sold before the Glocks) 92SF's.

Mase is very correct with this.  High quality modern firearms from a top tier manufacturer (glock, Beretta, S&W, etc) will handle +P ammo without a doubt and you will NOT find a +P stamp on the weapon.  

Marty

Looks like I've got a "fake" S&W .38 +P...  

Let's see the rest of it and see if it is in line with the rest of what I said.  BTW, if you had read the post I quoted, you would have seen  these posts dealt with semi autos as Glock and Beretta don't make revolvers.

Marty

P.S.  I know the barrel you showed is not on a S&W revolver.  S&W stamps their name and Springfield, Mass on the left side of the barrel.  Smith stamps the caliber designation on the right.

[Bobbo]

Let's see the rest of it and see if it is in line with the rest of what I said.  BTW, if you had read the post I quoted, you would have seen  these posts dealt with semi autos as Glock and Beretta don't make revolvers.

Marty

P.S.  I know the barrel you showed is not on a S&W revolver.  S&W stamps their name and Springfield, Mass on the left side of the barrel.  Smith stamps the caliber designation on the right.

You mean this part:



Or, the whole thing:



Looks like this "fake" S&W model 442 is advertised on the S&W website:

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766343_-1_757768_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

And other websites:

http://www.smithwessonhandguns.com/item/9255_Smith__Wesson_Hand_Guns_Pistols_SW_162810_442_Centennial.aspx?w=9QpfbOC9z2A%3d

[Ratdog]

My model 686 (no "dash") has "Smith & Wesson" (nothing more) on the left side of the barrel and "S&W .357 MAGNUM" on the right side.  The roll mark is just below the cylinder release on the left side of the frame.

[X Ring]

Let's see the rest of it and see if it is in line with the rest of what I said.  BTW, if you had read the post I quoted, you would have seen  these posts dealt with semi autos as Glock and Beretta don't make revolvers.

Marty

P.S.  I know the barrel you showed is not on a S&W revolver.  S&W stamps their name and Springfield, Mass on the left side of the barrel.  Smith stamps the caliber designation on the right.

You mean this part:



Or, the whole thing:



Looks like this "fake" S&W model 442 is advertised on the S&W website:

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_766343_-1_757768_757767_757751_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

And other websites:

http://www.smithwessonhandguns.com/item/9255_Smith__Wesson_Hand_Guns_Pistols_SW_162810_442_Centennial.aspx?w=9QpfbOC9z2A%3d

I retract my statement.  Smith's website shows the 442 with Smith's rollmark on the right side but I looked at other J frames, Smith is swapping sides with their roll marks.  I didn't need to see the barrel marking on yours to know it is +P rated.  The reinforcement bar on the rear of the cylinder window indicates it is +P rated.  Yours must have been one of the new ones when Smith introduced the +P rated J frames and stamped on the barrel so people could tell them apart with out knowing about the reinforcing bar.  

Marty

[solo1]

Wow! this thread is all over the place1  Some good info here.

There is +P 9mm ammo and +P ammo for the .45ACP but none for the .40S&W.  Why? It's not because of the high quality of firearms from Glock , Beretta, etc but because the .40 unlike the 9's and .45ACp's, is a modern high pressure round , the working pressure is much higher than the 9 and .45, both older rounds.  The .40 wasn't without its problems because of the high pressures.  It became very important to design barrels that fully supported the base of the cartridge, no such problems with the 9 and .45 ACP

I f you would want a higher velocity round in .40 cal,  buy a firearm made for the 10mm round instead.

Now before I get slammed, I would mention that the .45 ACP cartridge is one of the best around.  The .40 S&W cartridge was designed to give more power in a semi auto firearm that was the size of the 9's.

[Tundra]

I just got this via email, claims it was Chinese ammo, don't know about that.  Looks like some reloader over did it.


Smith & Wesson 44 Magnum accident -

First it was baby formula, then pet food, but now you
should watch out when buying anything from China  ,
including bright, shiny, ammunition.

A guy came into the police department the other day to ask a favor.
He had a S&W 629 (.44 Mag) that he wanted to dispose of after a
mishap at the range.  He said there was a loud bang when he tested
his new ammo, (Chinese made), and the gun smacked him in the
forehead, leaving a nice gash.

When the tweety birds cleared from around his head, the pictures
show what he saw.  Bet he never uses Chinese made ammo
again!  Looks like when the round in the chamber went off, it also
set off at least two other rounds in adjacent cylinders. I would
have hated to been the one that pulled the trigger on that one!










Oh yeah, I wanted to introduce my new shooting partner (below).  She's not much of a shot, and she has trouble finding a weapon she can conceal effectively, but I'm willing to overlook a few minor faults

That' how I roll....

Bullet pictured appears to be an "XTP", therefore my conclusion is American.

[Hoser]

Get a Ruger Redhawk!      Hoser

[¿spoom]

Regarding the "blowed up" one-my money is on high primers. 

[fordmano]

Oh yeah, I wanted to introduce my new shooting partner (below).  She's not much of a shot, and she has trouble finding a weapon she can conceal effectively, but I'm willing to overlook a few minor faults

That' how I roll....

Oh she has something dangerous concealed.  It might just kill a man.  Im sure of it.   

I think she has a couple things concealed that she should be patted down for immediately,,, by me of course I am much more thoruogh than most of you badged folks. LOL!!!!