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« on: April 20, 2011, 09:02:13 AM » |
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2011, 09:11:14 AM » |
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I have been a FAN of Joe`s from day one !!!!!  |
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2011, 09:18:01 AM » |
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Are you referring to his recent mugshot antics, or his violation of constitutional rights and misappropriation of two jail funds?
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2011, 09:21:23 AM » |
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According to the Maricopa County website, Arpaio served in the U.S. Army from 1950 to 1953 before working as a policeman in Washington, D.C. and Las Vegas.
This can't be right... what is he... like, 80?
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2011, 09:31:39 AM » |
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According to the Maricopa County website, Arpaio served in the U.S. Army from 1950 to 1953 before working as a policeman in Washington, D.C. and Las Vegas.
This can't be right... what is he... like, 80?
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2011, 09:58:04 AM » |
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I have been a FAN of Joe`s from day one !!!!! +1 His guests are there for a reason. |
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2011, 10:00:52 AM » |
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Well...........he keeps getting reelected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO GET"EM JOE!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2011, 10:20:24 AM » |
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sad that WE have to read about it from UK news and not the major networks
Kinda tells you who is running the networks doesnt it
Carry on Joe and God Bless you
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2011, 10:33:31 AM » |
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Good job Joe! |
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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2011, 11:08:58 AM » |
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Although I'm in agreement with some of the past practices of the Maricopa County Sherriff's office, it seems to me that intentionally publicizing the faces of arrested individuals prior to conviction seems to fly in the face of our long standing policy of presumption of innocence by the justice system.
I'm not in favor of it.
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2011, 11:39:37 AM » |
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Although I'm in agreement with some of the past practices of the Maricopa County Sherriff's office, it seems to me that intentionally publicizing the faces of arrested individuals prior to conviction seems to fly in the face of our long standing policy of presumption of innocence by the justice system.
I'm not in favor of it.
I hafta agree with Mr. Willow on this one... Once they've been convicted of a crime, then pink underwear, old bologna, no TV, no pr0n, chain gangs, whatever, all for it... But for suspects? No... They shouldn't be subjected to humiliation like this. Suspects should be treated very well until/unless they've been convicted of a crime. |
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2011, 12:04:57 PM » |
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Florida publishes all arrests with pics county by county every day and has done so for years
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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2011, 12:15:51 PM » |
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Under the sunshine laws of Ohio (and I would hazard to guess most others).... charged suspects' information is a matter of public record.
Note, it is charged suspects, not convicted.
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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2011, 12:19:32 PM » |
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while it is true that those charged are presumed innocent until proven guilty, and even then have a right to appeals.........
the arrest is newsworthy and mug shot or any file picture may be used to report the same.
The paper does have an obligation to verify the arrest and booking took place before publishing the pic.
Posting a picture of someone who is not a public figure on an allegation not accompanied by an arrest could give rise to a libel or defamation action. It was actually the moot court question when I was in law school a millenium ago TIMES v SULLIVAN was the case if I remember
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2011, 12:20:53 PM » |
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Publishing the photos of those who are arrested as a matter of public record is slightly different from having a "Vote for the suspect of the day!" voting contest to humiliate them...
Just MHO of course...
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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2011, 12:42:59 PM » |
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Not to put to fine a piont on it, but I don't question the legality only the ethical and responsible side of it.
Quite honestly, the average citizen is unable to distinguish the difference between one who is accused and one who is convicted. Once the mental association is made it will stick.
Partial information has always been a powerful tool and is made more so by the use of the internet. JMHO.
I think the assertion that the program is meant to highlight the work of the sheriff's employees is genuine BS. It's clearly intended as a form of punishment for the arrested.
The line between practical, effective law enforcement and abuse of position is not nearly so fine as one might think.
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2011, 01:00:24 PM » |
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The line between practical, effective law enforcement and abuse of position is not nearly so fine as one might think.
Especially in the case of "sheriff" Joe. |
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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2011, 01:56:18 PM » |
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The line between practical, effective law enforcement and abuse of position is not nearly so fine as one might think.
Actually, I've found it to be just the opposite....to be a very fine line separating the two factors. And, I've found it to be so in every state I've either lived in or visited. And, it's not restricted to the sheriff's department. I was traveling while in the USAF and was stopped at 2:30am by two state troopers outside of Albany, NY....accused of "rat racing" a new Oldsmobile. I was in a '51 Merc with 115k on the odometer, and a wife and sleeping baby in the car. Yeah, sure...I was racing, you bet. I proved them wrong with a gas station receipt and still was brought up before a kangaroo court. I beat them at their own game but won't go into it here. In all my travels, I've observed abuse of power by the local constabulary, Louisiana's sheriff's in various jurisdictions comes to mind in a big way. I was chased by one on my bike, the only thing that got me out of "bubba's" grip was he found out the local HS coach was my son-in-law, and he had a kid on the team. When I complained to the authorities, the answer was "you obviously did something wrong." At that time in that state's history, just breathing and driving was "wrong." Basically, if you had a vehicle they liked, and it was late at night, you could just about plan on being stopped and your ride towed. And you didn't plan on getting it back unless you knew someone. Just two examples of many. |
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2011, 02:14:00 PM » |
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After working in corrections for many years I know that not everyone arrested is guilty. I live in Florida in a county that publishes all mug shots. It has been deemed legal but I know of cases where mistakes were made and mug shots were removed because of incorrect arrest. It never seemed fair to me that people had their faces put out there and damage done. Some of which could not be repaired. Is innocent until proven guilty gone?
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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2011, 02:19:12 PM » |
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The line between practical, effective law enforcement and abuse of position is not nearly so fine as one might think.
Actually, I've found it to be just the opposite....to be a very fine line separating the two factors. And, I've found it to be so in every state I've either lived in or visited. And, it's not restricted to the sheriff's department. I was traveling while in the USAF and was stopped at 2:30am by two state troopers outside of Albany, NY....accused of "rat racing" a new Oldsmobile. I was in a '51 Merc with 115k on the odometer, and a wife and sleeping baby in the car. Yeah, sure...I was racing, you bet. I proved them wrong with a gas station receipt and still was brought up before a kangaroo court. I beat them at their own game but won't go into it here. In all my travels, I've observed abuse of power by the local constabulary, Louisiana's sheriff's in various jurisdictions comes to mind in a big way. I was chased by one on my bike, the only thing that got me out of "bubba's" grip was he found out the local HS coach was my son-in-law, and he had a kid on the team. When I complained to the authorities, the answer was "you obviously did something wrong." At that time in that state's history, just breathing and driving was "wrong." Basically, if you had a vehicle they liked, and it was late at night, you could just about plan on being stopped and your ride towed. And you didn't plan on getting it back unless you knew someone. Just two examples of many.
The cases you cited are, in my not-so-humble opinion, very clearly abuses and we put up with it.
I don't think it's such a fine line and I think it is violated on a very regular basis. I'll not discuss the matter further as my emotions may cause me to betray my privately held opinions.  |
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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2011, 03:30:26 PM » |
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I'll not discuss the matter further as my emotions may cause me to betray my privately held opinions. I understand, me too.
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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2011, 03:43:56 PM » |
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I think ole Joe is doing a great job, and have no problem with his tactics.
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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2011, 03:52:01 PM » |
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Joe's approach should be adopted as a nationwide model.
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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2011, 03:59:18 PM » |
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Give 'em H3ll Joe ! |
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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2011, 04:06:45 PM » |
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Keep uppermost in your mind. The persons(hope i'm not being to polite here) that are covicted deserve what they get or got. As for the pictures-even if they aren't CONVICTED maybe just maybe-they'll think twice before attempting to get in trouble again. Course-all that being said-thats my opinion and mine alone.  Have a good day ya'll and RIDE SAFE. |
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« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2011, 12:30:15 AM » |
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While not expressing an opinion on the sheriff's actions, I WILL express an opinion on the journalist's lack of intelligence, or honesty.
From the 7th paragraph: "...it has the overwhelming backing of those using the site, with 4102 out of the 4964 people who have voted so far agreeing with Arpaio."
I love self-filtering polls, and those who quote them. "97% of those calling in to the *** radio show, report having listened to the *** show at least once." "An online poll shows that 100% (+/- 2%) of Americans have access to a computer." Why do people quote these statistics? Is it a lack of intelligence to realize what they are doing, or is it a blatant attempt to deceive the reader? Once again, it's difficult to distinguish between stupidity and malice.
What I really want to know, is who are the 862 people who voted, even though they thought that holding the vote was a bad idea?
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