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I logged onto the drudge report and found this. Don’t know who the white girl is, but seriously, it’s as though the manager, and workers did nothing to help her out. At the end, some old white lady comes in to help the girl out. Had the races been reversed, you’d have jessi jackson, louis pharacoon, and every other extremist out there coming down on the place.
I got sick to my stomach when I watched that video. All I can think about is that it could have been my daughter. I don’t care if you’re black or white, people shouldn’t treat others this way. Period. If I were in a restaurant and I saw a black girl getting beat up by two white girls, I’d step in, I would think that it would be the RIGHT thing to do. |
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2011, 12:38:07 AM » |
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The f'in brain dead half wit saying "she's having a siezure on the floor" over and over AND DOING NOTHING TO HELP THE GIRL. Waste of space prat.
One of the disgusting black girls tells the white woman "Don't touch me". What a warped world we live in.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2011, 06:14:47 AM » |
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Wonder what the executives at Mickey Dees think about the failure of their manager and crew to do anything.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2011, 06:41:01 AM » |
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The vic supposedly was a transvestite, but so what. She never resisted, and the two animals just kept it up (I guess because a boy was in their toilet), and kept coming back. Going after someone down and out is the worst kind of ignorance and cowardice. Both should be charged as adults on attempted murder. Then they can go to the female gladiator academy and learn what grown up fighting is all about.
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2011, 06:44:04 AM » |
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Believe or not, I've been present when something similar happen in a mall. My wife at that time told me to not get involved, I told her to go sit down and turn her back...but I'm doing something. I then told the three girls in this case to get lost and leave the fourth one alone. I was told to mind my own business and one took a swing at me. I dropped her where she stood, then turned to the other two and said they either leave or they're next. They then left, half dragging the one who was still half unconcious. The reason for the fight....the one getting beat up had just bought the last of an item in the store and one of the girls involved in the beating had wanted it. The victim was already out of the store and walking away when the other three came in, she had no clue why they attacked her at first. How stupid...and in this case the three were white and the victim was of Latin heritage.
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2011, 07:11:39 AM » |
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John, Im glad you acted even though you could have been wrongfully put in a position of great legal peril the way our system is now adays. Good Job!  |
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2011, 07:14:05 AM » |
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This just in:
The 14-year-old has been charged for assault as a juvenile; the 18-year-old will be charged as an adult.
The victim was taken to Franklin Square Hospital for treatment.
The State’s Attorney’s office is investigating whether the attack was racially or gender motivated to determine if other charges will result.
Police say a customer tried to break up the fight and that she was also hit in the face, but refused medical treatment.
One moral to the story............... "when showing your ass, try to remember if there are cameras present."
See if this doesn't get pled out as simple assault.
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2011, 08:55:09 AM » |
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If the victim was actually a transvestite then it could possibly be prosecuted as a "Hate" crime. I have my doubts though.
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2011, 09:19:46 AM » |
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If they charge as attempted murder or aggravated assault, there's plenty of room in the sentencing.
Hate crime legislation is more PC lefty fluff (IMHO). Most people who do crimes of violence hate their victim (or act as if they do) regardless of race, gender, religion, etc (the level of violence demonstrates a level of hate).
Motive is never an essential element of traditional criminal laws (though proving motive often greatly assists in securing a conviction). Who cares why they do crimes, we punish actions not thoughts. If properly charged (rape, murder, robbery, arson, aggratved assault), there should always be room in the sentencing, without making the prosecution work harder to prove ancillary offenses (proving thoughts is almost always a dicey burden of proof).
Now you get into war crimes and genocide, there's also a life sentence (the PC world doesn't like death sentences, which of course is the only righteous sentence for genocide and like offenses on a wide scale).
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2011, 09:32:17 AM » |
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John, Im glad you acted even though you could have been wrongfully put in a position of great legal peril the way our system is now adays. Good Job! I agree that John put himself in great legal peril, but it has always been that way, not something "now adays". Hitting a woman hard enough to "drop her where she stood" has never been legal, based upon the subjective "she took a swing at me" defense. |
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2011, 09:33:51 AM » |
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we punish actions not thoughts. *Sigh* If only this were still the case... |
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Hitting a woman hard enough to "drop her where she stood" has never been legal, based upon the subjective "she took a swing at me" defense.
Wrong, the defense here is 'defense of others,' not 'self defense.' A three on one scenario would allow a third party to intervene and use the minimum force necessary to stop the attack (one pop). And while only one took a swing at him, he potentially and reasonably had to deal with all three perps. Add to that a man of advanced years. I'll take that case.
Nonetheless, taking any type of action in self defense or defense of others today is fraught with danger, both criminal and civil, and an act of self or other defense is an affirmative defense to a charged crime, with the burden of proof on the defender. It is however, clearly the right thing to do in certain circumstances.
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we punish actions not thoughts. *Sigh* If only this were still the case... This is why we go thru life with good situational awareness and a poker face. If thoughts were easily prosecutable, I'd be doing life plus 99.  |
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First, it was approx. 30 yrs. ago which put me in my early 40's. That said, I was in much better physical shape back then. The girl that took a swing at me did connect, just enough to leave a slight red mark on the right side my jaw. It was actually a blind-side punch she delivered, to which I responded with a spinning back-hand fist. It dropped her, and it caused the other two to pause for a few seconds. That's all the time I needed to grab the victim and pull her away, telling the other two they're next if it didn't stop. They picked up their fallen partner and half dragged her out of the mall....she was puking all the way out the door, and the other two were screaming and cussing at me as they left. Security showed up and about 20 people surrounded him with a description of what had happened. I gave him my name, rank, and horsepower, but nothing ever came of it....except a thank-you note and box of candy from the girl I helped out. At times like that, one reacts without stopping to consider the possible consequences. That's all I did, I'd do it again....even at my age. I may not come out on top the next time, but I guarantee they'll know I was there. Old habits and training aren't totally forgotten. |
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Hitting a woman hard enough to "drop her where she stood" has never been legal, based upon the subjective "she took a swing at me" defense.
Wrong, the defense here is 'defense of others,' not 'self defense.' A three on one scenario would allow a third party to intervene and use the minimum force necessary to stop the attack (one pop). And while only one took a swing at him, he potentially and reasonably had to deal with all three perps. Add to that a man of advanced years. I'll take that case. "Ahem." A three on one scenario would allow the defender to raise the level of force used based on "Disparity of Force." As long as he is able to articulate the reasons he did so and his fear/concern for his or another's life/safety. In most states, Defense of Others and Self Defense are covered in the same law. Marty |
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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2011, 12:20:31 PM » |
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Defense of Others and Self Defense are covered in the same law.
Sure it is, but like you said, it gives you a wider latitude to increase use of force commensurate with the threat........... though 'the minimum force necessary' is always the best rule of thumb to avoid being charged yourself.
My response was to someone who suggested John's action was only reactive to a single swing, not reactive to a three-on-one scenario.
And if charged, your affirmative defense would be defense of others, not self defense... even though governed by the same law.
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First, it was approx. 30 yrs. ago which put me in my early 40's. That said, I was in much better physical shape back then.Come on John, you're watering our defense down here.  However, had you been charged, we'd have won that case in any event.
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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2011, 12:35:10 PM » |
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Defense of Others and Self Defense are covered in the same law.
Sure it is, but like you said, it gives you a wider latitude to increase use of force commensurate with the threat........... though 'the minimum force necessary' is always the best rule of thumb to avoid being charged yourself.
My response was to someone who suggested John's action was only reactive to a single swing, not reactive to a three-on-one scenario.
And if charged, your affirmative defense would be defense of others, not self defense... even though governed by the same law.
John said when he stepped in one struck him and that's when he hit her back with the amount of force necessary to make her rethink her belligerent and combative behavior. Sounds like self defense to me along with defense of others. Marty |
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First, it was approx. 30 yrs. ago which put me in my early 40's. That said, I was in much better physical shape back then. The girl that took a swing at me did connect, just enough to leave a slight red mark on the right side my jaw. It was actually a blind-side punch she delivered, to which I responded with a spinning back-hand fist. It dropped her, and it caused the other two to pause for a few seconds. That's all the time I needed to grab the victim and pull her away, telling the other two they're next if it didn't stop. They picked up their fallen partner and half dragged her out of the mall....she was puking all the way out the door, and the other two were screaming and cussing at me as they left. Security showed up and about 20 people surrounded him with a description of what had happened. I gave him my name, rank, and horsepower, but nothing ever came of it....except a thank-you note and box of candy from the girl I helped out. At times like that, one reacts without stopping to consider the possible consequences. That's all I did, I'd do it again....even at my age. I may not come out on top the next time, but I guarantee they'll know I was there. Old habits and training aren't totally forgotten. I have also intervened in several bar brawls and once outside a day care center, most involving only women. I have never struck a woman, even though most hit me multiple times, not including the kicking, which hurts more. Twice I simply stood between the women attacking another. Once I gave a bearhug to a woman taller and larger than me. She kicked and hit me at least a dozen times, and I simply squeezed her enough to let her know she couldn't breathe if she kept it up. She calmed down quickly after almost passing out. The day care center was a crazy fight over a dispute involving their kids. I had to put a choke hold on the attacker, and as soon as I did, she let go of the other. If no weapons are involved, three women are no match for a 40 year old man in decent shape with reasonable fighting skills. Since you clarified your post to show they put their hands on you first, you would have little to fear from prosecution. |
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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2011, 03:18:45 PM » |
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This just in:
The 14-year-old has been charged for assault as a juvenile; the 18-year-old will be charged as an adult.
The victim was taken to Franklin Square Hospital for treatment.
The State’s Attorney’s office is investigating whether the attack was racially or gender motivated to determine if other charges will result.
Police say a customer tried to break up the fight and that she was also hit in the face, but refused medical treatment.
One moral to the story............... "when showing your ass, try to remember if there are cameras present."
See if this doesn't get pled out as simple assault.
Eric Holder told the Justice Dept to "downplay" black-on-white hate crime. Consider what you have running the country and its not surprising when it reaches the streets. |
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First, it was approx. 30 yrs. ago which put me in my early 40's. That said, I was in much better physical shape back then.Come on John, you're watering our defense down here. However, had you been charged, we'd have won that case in any event. exspecially if it happened 30 years ago!! the courts were filled with smarter judges then!! |
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exspecially if it happened 30 years ago!! the courts were filled with smarter judges then!! The ones appointed by Jimmy Carter?! I don’t think that jimmy carter had anything to do with appointing judges for the city of Baltimore. Although, I might be wrong, I thought he was from Georgia. |
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exspecially if it happened 30 years ago!! the courts were filled with smarter judges then!! The ones appointed by Jimmy Carter?! I don’t think that jimmy carter had anything to do with appointing judges for the city of Baltimore. Although, I might be wrong, I thought he was from Georgia. Don't worry Alph. Bobbo just has to try to get in a political jab, even though he has no idea what he is talking about. Proves it thinking Jimmy Carter as President appoints the city judges. Anything to stir up the pot. |
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This just in:
The 14-year-old has been charged for assault as a juvenile; the 18-year-old will be charged as an adult.
The victim was taken to Franklin Square Hospital for treatment.
The State’s Attorney’s office is investigating whether the attack was racially or gender motivated to determine if other charges will result.
Police say a customer tried to break up the fight and that she was also hit in the face, but refused medical treatment.
One moral to the story............... "when showing your ass, try to remember if there are cameras present."
See if this doesn't get pled out as simple assault.
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exspecially if it happened 30 years ago!! the courts were filled with smarter judges then!! The ones appointed by Jimmy Carter?! I don’t think that jimmy carter had anything to do with appointing judges for the city of Baltimore. Although, I might be wrong, I thought he was from Georgia. You made a generic comment about "the courts" of the early '80s, and I made a generic joke about someone who appointed some of the judges serving then. (Note the tip the sunglasses emoticon). |
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Alright, here’s a question; Are people mad because it was two black girls beating the crap out of a white “girl”? Or; Are people mad that a guy dressed like a girl got the crap beat out of him? If it is because it’s a “gay guy” it’s a hate crime. If it’s a white/black thing, it’s racism. The more I learn about this whole story, the more I actually question myself and what would I do? I probably would be laughing at the fact that an older guy is getting the crap beat out of him by two younger girls, but, then again, watching that video it’s clear that I don’t care what the gender, the victim wasn’t fighting and appeared to be unable to defend him/her self. Well, needless to say, the employee’s at McDonalds were wrong. They should have intervened. In one interview with the victim she/he says that he just needed to use the bathroom really bad, as he/she went to the bathroom he passed a guy that said something to him and that’s what ticked off the girl that started beating him. Regardless, he’s/she’s still a human being. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-mcdonalds-beating-20110423,0,3336656.story |
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4 ago my Dad was driving down a main street in Lansing Mi. Up ahead he saw a car sitting at a light with a man violently pounding on the window of a car with what looked to be 2 older women in it. the man appeared to be holding what looked like a gun. The women were leaning over to the passenger side of the car. He decided to do something.....
He accelerated and clipped the assailant.... hitting the brakes as he hit him- Never got going that fast, but the guy never saw it coming..... BAM.. he flew about 30 feet and landed in the intersection in front of the car. He then saw a LEO coming up with lights. He had already stopped to see if the ladies were all right- they were.
Seems the guy was a homeless looney and had a piece of wood (well it looked like a weapon/gun!) and was trying to get the ladies- one 67 and the other 72- to give him money and or the car.
Police got Dad's story and let him go... The bad guy ended up going to the hospital and turned out just to be bruised and bounced around ( had some bruises shaped like the grill of a 2006 Silverado!!)
2 days later, he was called down to the police station.....
They gave him a citizens citation for bravery and community good or something or other.....
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It is a 22 year old GUY. No matter that he likes to be a girl, he is still a guy.
In general? Live and let live. If he was trying to use the same bathroom as my 14 year old daughter...........
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Ok, so its a eunuch in the girls room.
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Who the victim is is sort of irrelevant. They are ALL hate crimes. I don't like the idea that punishment should be more if someone attacks a "fill in the blank" than it would be if they attacked you or me... a heterosexual white guy.
I say... raise the punishments for all of it. Or none of it. With all the talk of equality, why won't anyone allow equality?
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Isn't ANY violent crime a "hate" crime?
Who the victim is is sort of irrelevant. They are ALL hate crimes. I don't like the idea that punishment should be more if someone attacks a "fill in the blank" than it would be if they attacked you or me... a heterosexual white guy.
I say... raise the punishments for all of it. Or none of it. With all the talk of equality, why won't anyone allow equality?
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It is a 22 year old GUY. No matter that he likes to be a girl, he is still a guy.
In general? Live and let live. If he was trying to use the same bathroom as my 14 year old daughter...........
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