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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2011, 09:06:47 AM » |
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Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!!
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 09:20:27 AM » |
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 09:36:00 AM » |
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I am not an Obama fan... however I will tip my hat to him.
It was a gutsy call to pull the trigger on an OP in Pakistan. Now... if "W" had done that, we'd never hear the end of it. About him being a lawless cowboy in need of impeachment.
The President earned some respect from me yesterday. I still don't like his politics, nor do I want him re-elected. But I'll tip my hat to him when he deserves it. And in this case... I think he does.
He gave to order to conduct the OP.
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2011, 09:56:28 AM » |
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I am not an Obama fan... however I will tip my hat to him.
It was a gutsy call to pull the trigger on an OP in Pakistan. Now... if "W" had done that, we'd never hear the end of it. About him being a lawless cowboy in need of impeachment.
The President earned some respect from me yesterday. I still don't like his politics, nor do I want him re-elected. But I'll tip my hat to him when he deserves it. And in this case... I think he does.
He gave to order to conduct the OP.
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2011, 09:58:13 AM » |
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" Actually, Obama DID pull the trigger. He could have done the easy and politically safe thing by ignoring intelligence information and commanded the military to do nothing. By ordering this operation, he put his credibility on the line. If it didn't go well, he would look like another Jimmy Carter in a mismanaged and failed military attempt. It took "Cojones Grandes" to order this extremely risky and dangerous operation!"
they used untraceable soldiers from a unit that doesn't exist. if it failed, what are the chances that you would have heard about it? 0%
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2011, 10:18:07 AM » |
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they used untraceable soldiers from a unit that doesn't exist. if it failed, what are the chances that you would have heard about it? 0%
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2011, 10:28:30 AM » |
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they used untraceable soldiers from a unit that doesn't exist. if it failed, what are the chances that you would have heard about it? 0%
Pictures and video of our soldiers mutilated corpses being humiliated along with wreckage of the helicopters would be out before our own mews media woke up. There is no way to rebuff things like that. Lesson on how the world works: "CNN reports today that 18 servicemen died in a helocopter accident in Pakistan" ........................ This did happen on his watch so I have to give him the credit. It just amazes me that the OHB supporters are all war hawks now, while giving no props the the FACT that the only way OBL was found was the continuation of the BUSH policies. Good thing youe guy didnt want to close GITMO, end the overseas wiretaps, and cut the military, isn't it?? |
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2011, 10:52:17 AM » |
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Lesson on how the world works:
"CNN reports today that 18 servicemen died in a helocopter accident in Pakistan"
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This did happen on his watch so I have to give him the credit. It just amazes me that the OHB supporters are all war hawks now, while giving no props the the FACT that the only way OBL was found was the continuation of the BUSH policies. Good thing youe guy didnt want to close GITMO, end the overseas wiretaps, and cut the military, isn't it??
I'm not sure what kind of obscure lesson you are trying to teach, but the videos and pictures would originate from al Qaeda, the Taliban, or some other group in Pakistan, not our own news. What is an "OHB supporter" or "youe guy"? ??? Like others, I'm not an Obama apologist or staunch supporter, but I give him credit for making a difficult decision that worked very well. |
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2011, 11:58:35 AM » |
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Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!!
It was not a soldier that killed Bin Laden, it was a bullet entering his brain that killed him. It could have been anyone pulling the trigger, like Bin Laden's grandchild playing with a gun, but Bin Laden still would have died. It was merely coincidence that an American soldier was holding the gun that killed him. |
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2011, 12:38:02 PM » |
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Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!!
It was not a soldier that killed Bin Laden, it was a bullet entering his brain that killed him. It could have been anyone pulling the trigger, like Bin Laden's grandchild playing with a gun, but Bin Laden still would have died. It was merely coincidence that an American soldier was holding the gun that killed him. I've started to reply to this, then deleted it multiple times, and I'm trying to be nice here, but that has to be the most nonsensical thing I've read in a VERY long time. Your statement might be true if you believe in predetermined destiny and that there was literally a bullet out there with Osama's name on it just waiting for the right opportunity to lodge itself in his head. The way you say it, it sounds like he was going to die on that day no matter who or what was done, it's just mere "coincidence" that a Navy Seal happened to be there holding a gun to his head and pulling the trigger??? |
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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2011, 12:45:36 PM » |
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I've started to reply to this, then deleted it multiple times, and I'm trying to be nice here, but that has to be the most nonsensical thing I've read in a VERY long time.
Your statement might be true if you believe in predetermined destiny and that there was literally a bullet out there with Osama's name on it just waiting for the right opportunity to lodge itself in his head.
The way you say it, it sounds like he was going to die on that day no matter who or what was done, it's just mere "coincidence" that a Navy Seal happened to be there holding a gun to his head and pulling the trigger???
I think Gryphon Rider used the sarcasm font, but it apparently didn't work... Strangely enough, many conservative Republicans as well as the Taliban and many al Qaeda members don't believe bin Laden is dead, and it's simply a ruse by Obama. Politics REALLY DO make for strange bedfellows!  |
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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2011, 12:55:56 PM » |
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I think Gryphon Rider used the sarcasm font, but it apparently didn't work...
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2011, 02:02:14 PM » |
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I, too, am not a BO fan...but, I'll give him credit for this on a couple fronts. The one thing that I noted was the fact that he didn't want to obliterate the compound with an airstrike. Reason being....it would have been difficult, if not impossible, to verify OBL's demise from whatever was left at the bottom of a crater. The other thing was simply waiting until the intel was as certain as it could possibly be that OBL was on site, then keeping the plan totally within our own walls. I personally find it hard to believe the Pakistani's weren't supporting OBL in some fashion.
So, now it's over and done with, and intel from previous admins as well as the current one was used. My hat is off to those that were instrumental in bringing it all together, going back ten years or more. I have no doubt had the intel been available during the Bush years, he would have moved on it. But it wasn't apparently, so I think it's time we thank those responsible for the final act, accept the results regardless of who is in power and move on.
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2011, 04:34:31 PM » |
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just so you know where I'm coming from.
1 I believe he's dead, I'd like to see a death pic but it's not absolutely nessesary.
2 they got him as soon as feasibly possible
3 no our government wasn't involved in fly those planes into buildings on 9-11
4 Kennedy was killed by, as jackie put it, 'a silly little communist'
5 we landed on the moon
6 I don't believe in conspiracy theories
I did like the picture, I've seen enough of them with Bush (funny I can't seem to find any on google, but they lean a bit liberal) I liked the one with bush pointing and the caption reads 'tell those XXXXers with rags on thier heads its wash day, and we're bringing the maytag'
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2011, 05:26:57 PM » |
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I get a chuckle out of how some attribute this success to Mr. Bush and attribute the implosion of economy and the gazillion-dollar debt to Mr. Obama. Too scary funny...  |
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2011, 05:48:24 PM » |
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Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!!
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2011, 06:22:21 PM » |
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Well THANK YOU all you President Obama supporters. What an awesome show of leadership under pressure. What amazes me is, this is the same group of SEALS that he wanted to court martial a few months ago for punching a "possible terrorist". That was awful, but putting a few bullets thru one of their skulls is Okey-Dokey.
The man is a hypocrite of the worst kind.
God bless America while we can still salute the real Heroes, our brave men and women in uniform.
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2011, 09:31:51 PM » |
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The real heros are the troops with boots on the ground in the area they are directed to by orders. My hat's off and my heartfelt thanks and prayers to all the U S NAVY SEALS that brought this off. I could care less about politics in this instance. These seals are four oh in my book. Navy vets know what i'm saying here. This navy vietnam vet says again seals job well done. Carry on.
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2011, 11:08:20 PM » |
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I knew it, this is the site where I belong! Where else would you get the wisdom of in-depth-expert political analysis;  coupled with inside facts that could not be gathered w/o top-secret clearance? The endless expertise in international affairs some folks display here, leads me to conclude that they were part of the mission and are now leakin' the details.  Although I do give much credit to President Obama, he should follow the Trump model. The President ought to be as measured, mature, thoughtful and humble as the Donald.  WTF! He should not be gloating or claiming credit for any of this... who the hell does he think he is? For those of us who just found out, it was Trump himself who shot Bin Laden... ... but he could not kill him; a bullet did it by happenstance... Hurray for bullets! No, the Navy Seals had nothin' to do with the mission either. Indeed, it was actually Trump's investigators who redeployed from Hawaii to Pakistan, where the Donald had set up shop. ??? I would give you more details but the Donald does not want to reveal the sources.  So now that most of the "truth" is out and all is done and over, we can now go back to rippin' each other apart...  Anyone ready for the upcoming DILLIGAF session?  |
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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2011, 01:21:13 AM » |
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If you really think about it, I don’t think obama had a choice.
History has proven to us that Clinton had the chance to kill binladen, even had the opportunity to capture him, but turned it down. Now, obama is treated as though he’s a great commander for realizing that if he didn’t pull the trigger, it would later haunt him.
So now we have a bunch of people that give him respect for doing what he’s supposed to do anyway!!! I don’t get it???
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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2011, 03:58:05 AM » |
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Nope, he could have ignored it. He didn't and that is why you have to give him credit for pulling the trigger.
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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2011, 04:13:57 AM » |
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I'm not sure what kind of obscure lesson you are trying to teach, but the videos and pictures would originate from al Qaeda, the Taliban, or some other group in Pakistan, not our own news. And the photos from Al-Qaeda would not be seen if it wasn't on our media, and those that were would be discounted everywhere because there would be nobody to validate it from the administration.
The lesson is "plausible deniability" and "stuff happens all the time that you have no need to know"
Like I said, he did a good job pulling the trigger. He used the weapon that was built for him and he has down played and wanted to dismantle during his campaign. Its like a anti gun nut that shoots an intruder. You have to apply the good riddance factor, but any thinking person has to take a step back and consider the overall picture.
To say that the 3 years that BHO was sitting on his birth cert. he was looking for a chance to pop UBL is complete crap. The news this morning is saying that the Whitehouse knew about where UBL was living last Aug.. So I guess we should have seen the birth cert. a year ago.
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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2011, 04:16:18 AM » |
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Like I said... I am NOT an Obama fan. I will not vote for him. And I do not want him re elected.
I absolutely give MORE credit to the men on the ground. They got it done. Made it happen. Croaked the no good SOB. I hope they get paid the bounty, although I am SURE they will not.
However, it was a decision made by the POTUS. It was the RIGHT call. And I will acknowledge that he had the stones to make it. Good on him. EVERYTHING about ANYONE isn't bad. NOTHING about ANYONE is all good. (OK... except for Jesus for those of you so inclined...)
I don't want Obama as my POTUS, but he made the right call here, and it was not an easy one I am sure.
I am proud to be an American today, as I am EVERY day. But today a little more so.
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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2011, 07:18:10 AM » |
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If you really think about it, I don’t think obama had a choice.
He had several choices... Do nothing, drop bombs on the compound, air to ground missiles, cruise missiles, and SEALs. He chose the latter to minimize collateral damage in a residential area, and ensure positive identity of bin Laden. That choice was the most difficult from a tactical viewpoint, and probably the riskiest both to our soldiers and Obama's political credibility. I give credit to Obama for making a difficult choice, and tremendous respect to the SEALs, their instructors, and commanders. |
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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2011, 01:26:54 PM » |
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Let's be clear on this: OBAMA did NOT kill Bin Laden. An American soldier, who Obama just a few weeks ago was debating on whether or not to PAY, did. Obama just happened to be the one in office when our soldiers finally found OBL and took him out. This is NOT an Obama victory, but an AMERICAN victory!!
It was not a soldier that killed Bin Laden, it was a bullet entering his brain that killed him. It could have been anyone pulling the trigger, like Bin Laden's grandchild playing with a gun, but Bin Laden still would have died. It was merely coincidence that an American soldier was holding the gun that killed him. No, a coincidence would be if they had met at the supermarket and the soldier shot him. This was no coincidence. A group of soldiers specifically put themsleves there in order to confront the people inside that compound. |
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« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2011, 01:31:04 PM » |
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Well THANK YOU all you President Obama supporters. What an awesome show of leadership under pressure. What amazes me is, this is the same group of SEALS that he wanted to court martial a few months ago for punching a "possible terrorist". That was awful, but putting a few bullets thru one of their skulls is Okey-Dokey.
The man is a hypocrite of the worst kind.
God bless America while we can still salute the real Heroes, our brave men and women in uniform.
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