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« on: May 23, 2011, 07:20:43 AM »


This is not a Harley bashing video.   Many other brands of motorcycles over the years have had this problem.   I'm just putting this on the website as a safety concern for those who do own a Harley.
Ride safely.

http://www.kpho.com/local-video/index.html?grabnetworks_video_id=4697488

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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2011, 07:42:13 AM »

My Interstate wobbles at 125mph (indicated).  I think it's the fairing that causes it.  It is not a Harley only issue, IMHO.
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2011, 12:21:24 PM »

I thought this was one of the things they were aiming to design out of the touring bikes with the new frames.  There's no doubt that many of their touring bikes have had a shimmy in the rear end around curves for years.  It's all fun till somebody gets hurt.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2011, 02:44:39 PM »


 


Wobble or shimmy begins when some otherwise minor irregularity accelerates the wheel to one side. The restoring force is applied in phase with the progress of the irregularity, and the wheel turns to the other side where the process is repeated. If there is insufficient damping in the steering the oscillation will increase until system failure. The oscillation frequency can be changed by changing the forward speed, making the bike stiffer or lighter, or increasing the stiffness of the steering, of which the rider is a main component.[2] While wobble or shimmy can be easily remedied by adjusting speed, position, or grip on the handlebar, it can be fatal if left uncontrolled.[4]

Since shimmy frequency is independent of bike speed, gyroscopic effects "are clearly not essential to the phenomenon."[2] The top five influences on wobble have been found to be lateral stiffness of the front tire, steering damper, height of bike center of mass, distance of bike center of mass from rear wheel, and cornering stiffness of the front tire.[3]

An academic paper that investigated wobble through physical experimentation and computer modeling concludes: "the influence on wobble mode of front tyre characteristics, front frame inertia and chassis stiffness were shown. In particular, it shows that [by] increasing front tire inflation, stiffness chassis, and front frame inertia about steering axis and decreasing sideslip stiffness of front tire, wobble mode damping is improved, promoting vehicle stability."[5]
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2011, 02:51:30 PM »

John, you should credit the author of that study/explanation/theory/wild ass guess.
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2011, 03:32:07 PM »

Wobble or shimmy begins when some otherwise minor irregularity accelerates the wheel to one side. The restoring force is applied in phase with the progress of the irregularity, and the wheel turns to the other side where the process is repeated. If there is insufficient damping in the steering the oscillation will increase until system failure. The oscillation frequency can be changed by changing the forward speed, making the bike stiffer or lighter, or increasing the stiffness of the steering, of which the rider is a main component.[2] While wobble or shimmy can be easily remedied by adjusting speed, position, or grip on the handlebar, it can be fatal if left uncontrolled.[4]

Since shimmy frequency is independent of bike speed, gyroscopic effects "are clearly not essential to the phenomenon."[2] The top five influences on wobble have been found to be lateral stiffness of the front tire, steering damper, height of bike center of mass, distance of bike center of mass from rear wheel, and cornering stiffness of the front tire.[3]

An academic paper that investigated wobble through physical experimentation and computer modeling concludes: "the influence on wobble mode of front tyre characteristics, front frame inertia and chassis stiffness were shown. In particular, it shows that [by] increasing front tire inflation, stiffness chassis, and front frame inertia about steering axis and decreasing sideslip stiffness of front tire, wobble mode damping is improved, promoting vehicle stability."[5]


This seems to focus on front end "tank slapper" shimmies.  In the videos I've seen, the wobble appears to originate in the rear end.
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2011, 04:26:18 PM »

ok ...
this is from ....

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2011, 06:15:38 PM »

ValkPilot, it just depends where you focus - top front or the rear.
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2011, 03:56:35 AM »

ValkPilot, it just depends where you focus - top front or the rear.

Hmmmm.  Now I have to rethink "tank slappers."
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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2011, 03:35:45 PM »

That article originated here in my home town. I don't recall anyone investigating tire pressures or tread depth/cupping of tires. I work on bikes occasionally and find very low tires and the owner doesn't know.
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