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Does not matter who wins.
If we don't get the budget under control, or in other words start livin in a state of decline.
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The American Prosperity is done, over, caputt.
The sooner we accept that the quicker we can get her back on the right track.
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Does not matter who wins.
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The American Prosperity is done, over, caputt.
The sooner we accept that the quicker we can get her back on the right track.
Anybody that does not see this is blind.
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I'm not gonna say anything... except for... God help us all if Palin actually made it to the presidency
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Personally, I don't see what everyone dislikes so much about Palin. She speaks well and I can't see anyone doubting her honesty or integrity. She's may or may not be my pick during the primary but as long as the repubs don't pick a gun control candidate I'll vote for whoever is running against Obama.
All my life I've hoped that one day a regular citizen would again have the chance to win the presidency. Someone from a working family, as in works with their hands. Someone from a rural background who can appreciate the independent, leave me the he!! alone attitude I have and respect. Someone who loves our natural world, and I don't mean because they watch it on TV but because they take their place in it proudly.
Perhaps she intimidates some people by seeming to do all things well but she is what she is.
My question is, why would she run? She has a wonderful family, who enjoys racing, hunting, fishing and independent living. A successful run would ruin that life for her and her family. Camping, hunting, snowmobile racing, fishing with the secret service in tow? I don't think so. The morons of the press hounding her kids and grand-kids. Interviewing her special needs child trying to get him to say something bad?
Most real people wouldn't take that job for anything, only the "made for TV" idiots seem to want it. It's a damn shame for our country too. Our elections seem more and more like 1970's era professional wrestling. All BS, all the time.
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Make that three votes for Cain, and he can run and beat Obama. I really like Cain's presence and most of all his plan. He actually has one.
That's about all the votes Cain will get... three. That won't beat Obama. One more buffoon that fancies himself as presidential material. Fact is, no one worthy of running for president in the Republican party will do so... too many yahoos to contend with in the primary race... and a sitting President who has been doing a damn good job, Republican obstructionism notwithstanding. 2016 is the earliest viable date that Republicans can take the Whitehouse but by then will have pissed off so many people, will lose Presidency and both houses. My prediction. Anyone want to bet me $500 that Democrats hold the Presidency, the House, and the Senate after 2012 elections? I am so tired of this crap. Don't you have anything decent to say about folks that happen to disagree with you? I hope I never become that hateful. If I do, someone just shoot me. Hoser Huh? Hateful? Where are you at? I posted my judgments of the current crop of Republican candidates. I said they are doing such a good job of pissing people off that they will lose big in 2016. You call this hateful? If I was going to vote for any Republican it would be Jon Huntsman or Mitt Romney... and I know a lot of you folks think these two are RINO's. Chill out, dude. |
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The American Prosperity is done, over, caputt.
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Make that three votes for Cain, and he can run and beat Obama. I really like Cain's presence and most of all his plan. He actually has one.
That's about all the votes Cain will get... three. That won't beat Obama. One more buffoon that fancies himself as presidential material. Fact is, no one worthy of running for president in the Republican party will do so... too many yahoos to contend with in the primary race... and a sitting President who has been doing a damn good job, Republican obstructionism notwithstanding. 2016 is the earliest viable date that Republicans can take the Whitehouse but by then will have pissed off so many people, will lose Presidency and both houses. My prediction. Anyone want to bet me $500 that Democrats hold the Presidency, the House, and the Senate after 2012 elections?  What an idiot. Who? Cain or you? |
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I'm in Kansas, if that is any of your business, and yes, I consider most of your rants as hateful, I don't ridicule folks I don't agree with politically, I just vote for my choice. Maybe you should do the same. I think that's how it's supposed to work. And that is all I have to say about that. Hoser Huh? People in public life are fair game. I don't see you making the same complaint when Obama gets slammed every possible way on this board. Double standard? Sure looks that way to me. By your standard, all political cartoons are 'hateful'. Political name calling is a old and cherished tradition in American politics. He earned it...She was not given the chance to earn it. She has been persecuted as if she had won POTUS and never even ran for the office. Why take the blame with out the 'game' ? And Negid wouldn't hurt  |
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Make that three votes for Cain, and he can run and beat Obama. I really like Cain's presence and most of all his plan. He actually has one.
That's about all the votes Cain will get... three. That won't beat Obama. One more buffoon that fancies himself as presidential material. Fact is, no one worthy of running for president in the Republican party will do so... too many yahoos to contend with in the primary race... and a sitting President who has been doing a damn good job, Republican obstructionism notwithstanding. 2016 is the earliest viable date that Republicans can take the Whitehouse but by then will have pissed off so many people, will lose Presidency and both houses. My prediction. Anyone want to bet me $500 that Democrats hold the Presidency, the House, and the Senate after 2012 elections? Buffoon is in the eyes of the beholder. It's merely an opinion. However, I disagree with you on Obama. The FACTS, to me, speak otherwise. I do not like the majority of decisions that he's made. As far as betting on who will be president, that would be like betting on who will win the Indianapolis 500. It's not over 'till the Fat lady sings which makes it Valk related. True unemployment 15%, weak housing market, $4.00 gas prices. Sorry Obama owns this economy now. He on his watch spent a trillion with a T and promised 8% unemployment, hasn't kept any of his promises except that mutant falure prone pay for all health ins. no border control improvement, apologizing for the greatest country ever who helps the rest of the world with compassion. Socialism, I would think about throwing the word Baffoon around if I were you. Did you just wake up from a long nap or have you been drinking the donkey cool aid. Please get some facts, will you. |
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Personally, I don't see what everyone dislikes so much about Palin. She speaks well and I can't see anyone doubting her honesty or integrity. She's may or may not be my pick during the primary but as long as the repubs don't pick a gun control candidate I'll vote for whoever is running against Obama.
All my life I've hoped that one day a regular citizen would again have the chance to win the presidency. Someone from a working family, as in works with their hands. Someone from a rural background who can appreciate the independent, leave me the he!! alone attitude I have and respect. Someone who loves our natural world, and I don't mean because they watch it on TV but because they take their place in it proudly.
Perhaps she intimidates some people by seeming to do all things well but she is what she is.
My question is, why would she run? She has a wonderful family, who enjoys racing, hunting, fishing and independent living. A successful run would ruin that life for her and her family. Camping, hunting, snowmobile racing, fishing with the secret service in tow? I don't think so. The morons of the press hounding her kids and grand-kids. Interviewing her special needs child trying to get him to say something bad?
Most real people wouldn't take that job for anything, only the "made for TV" idiots seem to want it. It's a damn shame for our country too. Our elections seem more and more like 1970's era professional wrestling. All BS, all the time.
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Personally, I don't see what everyone dislikes so much about Palin. She speaks well and I can't see anyone doubting her honesty or integrity. She's may or may not be my pick during the primary but as long as the repubs don't pick a gun control candidate I'll vote for whoever is running against Obama.
All my life I've hoped that one day a regular citizen would again have the chance to win the presidency. Someone from a working family, as in works with their hands. Someone from a rural background who can appreciate the independent, leave me the he!! alone attitude I have and respect. Someone who loves our natural world, and I don't mean because they watch it on TV but because they take their place in it proudly.
Perhaps she intimidates some people by seeming to do all things well but she is what she is.
My question is, why would she run? She has a wonderful family, who enjoys racing, hunting, fishing and independent living. A successful run would ruin that life for her and her family. Camping, hunting, snowmobile racing, fishing with the secret service in tow? I don't think so. The morons of the press hounding her kids and grand-kids. Interviewing her special needs child trying to get him to say something bad?
Most real people wouldn't take that job for anything, only the "made for TV" idiots seem to want it. It's a damn shame for our country too. Our elections seem more and more like 1970's era professional wrestling. All BS, all the time.
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This is just too easy. Whether it is S. Palin or someone else from the right side of the political balance point, this Country cannot afford (in every way) to re-elect Barack Obama.
S. Palin preaches the foundation of our great country, the Constitution, B. Obama preaches and practices Socialism. Your freedom is at stake. So what if you dont like the sound of her voice. You got to believe in the message. I suggest that everyone take a look at the substance of the arguments and not the personal predujists.
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Personally, I don't see what everyone dislikes so much about Palin. .......... She has a wonderful family, who enjoys racing, hunting, fishing and independent living. THAT'S exactly what they hate, Frye. Someone who has actually lived life successfully. Just like the folks who earn more than $250K. They are the enemy. Because they have done well, other haven't. Because they made good choices like staying in and doing well in school, by working hard and sacrificing to succeed, they have robbed the poor folks and caused them to make the wrong choices like quitting school and forced them to scam for social services instead of working. I have seen this equated on several liberal "news" shows and where most libs get their news....the daily show and Bill Maher. Bill specifically "quoted" the thinking of the Right and said that "just because I do well, doesn't force you not to do well" and then raised his voice and slowly stated "Y E S I T D O E S ! ! ! ". This is how libs think. It's not fair that some do well and others don't, regardless of choices made during life, it's just not fair! And,....it's their job to make it fair. |
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This is just too easy. Whether it is S. Palin or someone else from the right side of the political balance point, this Country cannot afford (in every way) to re-elect Barack Obama. Au contraire. Obama is the best thing to come along for this country in a long time. This 'socialism' argument is just plain stupid, and I challenge you to demonstrate how it is Obama is a 'socialist'... any more than Bush and his predecessors... lots of noise... no light. Some drink cool aid and some can actually state FACTS. Anyone who says Obama has done a good job never say in what way because they can't. The facts would just get in the way and force them to look at reality. How is it anyone could think Mr O is doing anything but a terrible job. Give me a trillion to spend on the economy and even I could do a better job. Don't get me wrong he seems like a good person and a nice person, on that i like him and wish him to do well. But that does not make him good at his job. Remember I am not a republican but an independent who looks at the FACTS. |
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« Reply #76 on: June 01, 2011, 12:27:30 PM » |
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Bill specifically "quoted" the thinking of the Right and said that "just because I do well, doesn't force you not to do well" and then raised his voice and slowly stated "Y E S I T D O E S ! ! ! ". This is how libs think. It's not fair that some do well and others don't, regardless of choices made during life, it's just not fair! And,....it's their job to make it fair.
I don't remember this specific show, but I would venture to guess he was referring to corporate executives who make a ton of money by outsourcing and moving manufacturing to third world countries. That affects the ability of working class people to make a living. Unfortunately the main reason for this are policies put into place over the last few decades that make it difficult and expensive to hire Americans and build products here. |
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« Reply #77 on: June 01, 2011, 01:01:54 PM » |
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Bill specifically "quoted" the thinking of the Right and said that "just because I do well, doesn't force you not to do well" and then raised his voice and slowly stated "Y E S I T D O E S ! ! ! ". This is how libs think. It's not fair that some do well and others don't, regardless of choices made during life, it's just not fair! And,....it's their job to make it fair.
I don't remember this specific show, but I would venture to guess he was referring to corporate executives who make a ton of money by outsourcing and moving manufacturing to third world countries. That affects the ability of working class people to make a living. Unfortunately the main reason for this are policies put into place over the last few decades that make it difficult and expensive to hire Americans and build products here. Actually, I didn't see this episode since I don't get HBO, but here is the economics behind this thinking. There is only so much money to go around in any economy. And the more you accumulate for yourself, that is less money for someone else to have. Not since before the Great Depression has the disparity of wealth in America been as bad as it is today, and it is steadily getting worse at an increasing pace. When wealthy people and large corporations amass large sums of money, most of that money is essentially removed from the economy. With this growing disparity of wealth, with fewer and fewer people holding a larger and larger piece of the pie, there is less and less for the rest of us to have an opportunity to prosper and build our own wealth. Not only that, but wealth buys influence in the legislative process, thereby making it even easier to accumulate even more wealth. So, in that context, then yes, when the already extremely wealthy use that wealth to increase their successes and build that wealth even greater, that comes at the expense of opportunity of others to also succeed...unless/until the wealthy person spends his wealth back into the economy, thereby reducing his overall wealth. This isn't even about rich vs poor. I'm not poor. But my success comes at the expense of my employer. He could choose to not employ me and save himself the cost of my salary and benefits. It also comes at the expense of anyone else who would like to hold my job. Or my employer could choose to pay me half as much, then hire another person and we could share the workload. Everything is a tradeoff. |
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« Reply #78 on: June 01, 2011, 03:02:49 PM » |
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Bill specifically "quoted" the thinking of the Right and said that "just because I do well, doesn't force you not to do well" and then raised his voice and slowly stated "Y E S I T D O E S ! ! ! ". This is how libs think. It's not fair that some do well and others don't, regardless of choices made during life, it's just not fair! And,....it's their job to make it fair.
I don't remember this specific show, but I would venture to guess he was referring to corporate executives who make a ton of money by outsourcing and moving manufacturing to third world countries. That affects the ability of working class people to make a living. Unfortunately the main reason for this are policies put into place over the last few decades that make it difficult and expensive to hire Americans and build products here. Actually, I didn't see this episode since I don't get HBO, but here is the economics behind this thinking. There is only so much money to go around in any economy. And the more you accumulate for yourself, that is less money for someone else to have. Not since before the Great Depression has the disparity of wealth in America been as bad as it is today, and it is steadily getting worse at an increasing pace. When wealthy people and large corporations amass large sums of money, most of that money is essentially removed from the economy. With this growing disparity of wealth, with fewer and fewer people holding a larger and larger piece of the pie, there is less and less for the rest of us to have an opportunity to prosper and build our own wealth. Not only that, but wealth buys influence in the legislative process, thereby making it even easier to accumulate even more wealth. So, in that context, then yes, when the already extremely wealthy use that wealth to increase their successes and build that wealth even greater, that comes at the expense of opportunity of others to also succeed...unless/until the wealthy person spends his wealth back into the economy, thereby reducing his overall wealth. This isn't even about rich vs poor. I'm not poor. But my success comes at the expense of my employer. He could choose to not employ me and save himself the cost of my salary and benefits. It also comes at the expense of anyone else who would like to hold my job. Or my employer could choose to pay me half as much, then hire another person and we could share the workload. Everything is a tradeoff. Bwaaahaaahaaa......that is a good one!  |
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« Reply #79 on: June 01, 2011, 03:48:23 PM » |
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Bill specifically "quoted" the thinking of the Right and said that "just because I do well, doesn't force you not to do well" and then raised his voice and slowly stated "Y E S I T D O E S ! ! ! ". This is how libs think. It's not fair that some do well and others don't, regardless of choices made during life, it's just not fair! And,....it's their job to make it fair.
I don't remember this specific show, but I would venture to guess he was referring to corporate executives who make a ton of money by outsourcing and moving manufacturing to third world countries. That affects the ability of working class people to make a living. Unfortunately the main reason for this are policies put into place over the last few decades that make it difficult and expensive to hire Americans and build products here. Actually, I didn't see this episode since I don't get HBO, but here is the economics behind this thinking. There is only so much money to go around in any economy. And the more you accumulate for yourself, that is less money for someone else to have. Not since before the Great Depression has the disparity of wealth in America been as bad as it is today, and it is steadily getting worse at an increasing pace. When wealthy people and large corporations amass large sums of money, most of that money is essentially removed from the economy. With this growing disparity of wealth, with fewer and fewer people holding a larger and larger piece of the pie, there is less and less for the rest of us to have an opportunity to prosper and build our own wealth. Not only that, but wealth buys influence in the legislative process, thereby making it even easier to accumulate even more wealth. So, in that context, then yes, when the already extremely wealthy use that wealth to increase their successes and build that wealth even greater, that comes at the expense of opportunity of others to also succeed...unless/until the wealthy person spends his wealth back into the economy, thereby reducing his overall wealth. This isn't even about rich vs poor. I'm not poor. But my success comes at the expense of my employer. He could choose to not employ me and save himself the cost of my salary and benefits. It also comes at the expense of anyone else who would like to hold my job. Or my employer could choose to pay me half as much, then hire another person and we could share the workload. Everything is a tradeoff. Surely that was sarcasm...Right Bob ? He knows how to operate the internet google machine so obviously he smart enough to fasten velcro and doesnt believe any of that......RIGHT !? ??? |
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