Woman spanks child. Loses custody. Goes to jail! WTF?

[Titan]

Unless there's more to this story than I'm seeing here, this is one of the things that has gone seriously wrong with this country! That's my opinion. YMMV

Yes, child abuse is an absolutely horrible thing that goes on. But popping a kid on the butt is not child abuse. My dad and mom both got in a few swats on my a$$ and it was not child abuse. I believe kids grow up way differently nowadays than they used to because of a severe lack of discipline. And now you'll go to jail for simple discipline. BS!


http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/06/21/texas-mom-gets-probation-for-spanking-her-daughter/?test=latestnews

[highcountry]

Hell, the way my parents whupped me, that judge would have put them in Alcatraz.

[Hoser]

Tried a fist fight with my dad when I was 15, he was just a little guy, did not consider his three years in combat in WW2, got my a$$ kicked.    Hoser

[f6gal]

Unless there's more to this story than I'm seeing here, this is one of the things that has gone seriously wrong with this country! That's my opinion. YMMV
Yes, child abuse is an absolutely horrible thing that goes on. But popping a kid on the butt is not child abuse. My dad and mom both got in a few swats on my a$$ and it was not child abuse. I believe kids grow up way differently nowadays than they used to because of a severe lack of discipline. And now you'll go to jail for simple discipline. BS!
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2011/06/21/texas-mom-gets-probation-for-spanking-her-daughter/?test=latestnews

They showed this on the news a few days ago... un-freaking-believable!!

[3fan4life]

From the article:

"You don't spank children today," Judge Jose Longoria is quoted as having said. "In the old days, maybe we got spanked, but there was a different quarrel. You don't spank children."

Absolutely UNBELIEVABLE!         

Must be a very "Liberal" judge.          


And they wonder why kids think that there are NO consequences for their actions and that the RULES DON'T APPLY to them.

[Ferris Leets]

Tried a fist fight with my dad when I was 15, he was just a little guy, did not consider his three years in combat in WW2, got my a$$ kicked.    Hoser

A good friend of mine had the same experience, he is over 6' and his father maybe 5'6", tough old guy though.
  I never tried that with my father, I new how tough he was.  He is 78 now and I still would not let him get ahold of me.  I might be able to dance around him but, if he got his hands on to me it would probably end badly. 
   My son tried it when he was about 20.  No punches but a serious wrestle.  I would not have started if I had realized how long it was going to take to come out on top.  We were both leaking blood at the end, worked out with no hard feelings but more respect.

[Doc809]

Several years ago while in training, I was in a clinical psychology class with a somewhat less than adequate professor.  She was lecturing on ADD/ADHD and instructing us on how a patient with this condition would present in a clinical setting.  She dronned on and on about symptoms and signs we could utilize to recognize the condition.  A classmate of mine raised his hand and stated that when he was a kid he had all those symptoms.  The professor was delighted to have someone confirm her position until he followed up on his observation.  He stated that he had all those control problems and symptoms until his mother got a belt and whipped his a$$.  He said his symptoms immediately went away!!  (Not meant to cast a bad light on those with a legitimate condition).  But sometimes you wonder.......!

[BIG--T]

Yeah and they wonder why kids bring AK-47's to school and have a masacre and yet won't allow prayer in school? Just makes no sense! I think most of us born pre 60's turned out pretty good. Yeah I got my butt wore out and am still alive! Kids know they can just call 911 and have their parents locked up! Then check out all the evil, sex, etc on tv, internet. Definetly a different generation.

History repeats itself and remember the Roman empire? No one conquered it!

[Titan]

Several years ago a very good friend of mine had to deal with such an issue. My friend had a daughter who was 15 or 16 years old and an absolute hellion. Mom got into a tiff with her one evening over drugs, alcohol, hanging out with a drug dealer, and various other things. The daughter was raising general hell and screamed a bunch of obscenities, calling mom names that you wouldn't call a street whore. Mom slapped her. Wrong or right, she slapped her. The little slut ran next door and called the sheriff's department. A deputy arrived, spoke to mom a few minutes and arrested her, cuffed her, and carted her off to jail.

[The Anvil]

You can still spank your kids, you just can't do it in public.

[Bobbo]

It's interesting that several posters are blaming "Liberals" for this situation, when in fact, the concept of zero tolerance policies were championed almost exclusively by Conservatives.

[R J]

My dad beat my ass many times before he went to war.     I would of loved for him to return and whomp my ass as needed.

My step dad was a woosie.    I think he thumped me once.    When he got up off the floor, my mom tore me a new one.

My kids all had their ass whomped a time or two, they all 5 came out to be very good kids.

My youngest daughter has 2 kids, girls, the youngest one is (was) a wholly terror.  She told her mom if she laid a hand on her she was calling 911.   Daughter told me about it and the next time I saw this little gal, we had a nice talk.

Told her if she ever called 911 for a reason like that she best call grandpa first, otherwise, she would not set down or walk to well for at least 6 or more weeks.  Grandpa might go to jail for it, but at least she would remember it the next time she saw me.    Almost over night, she came out of her holier than me attitude and is a very nice kid as of this writing.   It has been almost a year now since we had the talk.

She asked her mom if she thought grandpa would do that to her.    Valarie told her if grandpa said it, ya better believe it.  He only gives one warning.  She took it to heart, quit running with the kids she was hanging with, helps her mom around the house now, mows the grass and even shoveled some snow last winter.  Very helpful little lady now.  Grandpa loves her to death.   

[R J]

You can still spank your kids, you just can't do it in public.

You might want to re-verify thatt comment.

If the kid complains or calls 911 your arse will got to jail.

The LEO has no other choice except to arrest you.

[Red Diamond]

Whoa, you're all missing the point of this new trend. It's about jobs, ask yourself what the hell are the police and judges going to do for work, if you correct these children before they can get their hands on them? You and I both know, they can destroy a child's morale a lot better than we can.

[old2soon]

When i moved to Texas in 1978 and registered my young uns for school-the very first thing the principal told me and mama was-texas is a corpral punishment state, Another words they could and did paddle their ass right there in the school if the infraction called for it. And yes we got a list of the infraction and number of licks involved. My oldest boy had two such attitude adjustments at school and three with me. After that-zero problems with all my kids. My daughter who is the oldest never not once got spanked. Way smart and beautiful to go with the smarts. Ain't none of em out robbin gas stations and such like. Good honest hard working family folks. What more can you ask for. Mom and dad had zero problem whipping our ass when they thought we needed it. Wish i could sit down and share a cup of coffee with em right now. I worked hard all my life and never held it against them for the ass whippings. Truth be known i probably-no actually needed a lot more than i got. Told my 16 year old girl-you still ain't to old to spank. Lets just say she believes me and leave it at that. RIDE SAFE.

[dalai-lama]

Had a problem with my son, I called the cops and said "come take him before I hurt him" and they said "did you hurt him yet" and I said "no, but I will " .   My son was a little shocked that he was going to have to find a new place to live, no car, etc.   He came around and we joke about it now   The other one tried something similar and I had him get into the car and started to drive him to the Department of Children and Youth Services (DCYS here in CT) to have him put into a foster home.  He came around and we joke about it now

the dalai

[Master Blaster]

Libs would rather use the term hitting rather than spanking.

[Trynt]

It's interesting that several posters are blaming "Liberals" for this situation, when in fact, the concept of zero tolerance policies were championed almost exclusively by Conservatives.

That's like insinuating liberals are responsible for the concept of the death penalty because they championed abortion rights.  If we are into placing blame, zero tolerance policies were brought into being because liberal judges were creating a "revolving door" for career criminals. So if you are blaming zero tolerance, blame the liberals for creating the need for them.

[3fan4life]

It's interesting that several posters are blaming "Liberals" for this situation, when in fact, the concept of zero tolerance policies were championed almost exclusively by Conservatives.

Championed by dumb a$$ conservatives administered by even dumber liberals............

Our school systems are ran almost exclusively by liberals, one of my brothers has been a high school teacher for almost 20 years now, his views have become so ultra liberal that we can't even have a conversation anymore. (And I know for a fact that he wasn't raised that way).



Bobbo,
If you can't read the oppinion of the judge and see LIBERAL written all over it then we have nothing to discuss.............

You can't describe an elephant to a blind man.

[ptgb]

You can still spank your kids, you just can't do it in public.

You might want to re-verify thatt comment.

If the kid complains or calls 911 your arse will got to jail.

The LEO has no other choice except to arrest you.

Not so... corporal punishment of your child is taken into consideration when/if the kid calls the cops.

I speak from experience. Out of maybe 25 of these type calls over the last 10 years or so, I locked up one guy who was screaming that it was parental discipline... the kid had two black eyes, healing injuries all over his body, and was running barefoot in the snow from his father. Definitely a case of child abuse there.

Belt to the arse (within reason).... a smack to the mouth (within reason)... not an issue. In fact, many time the kid will get charged with being an unruly juvenile.

Of course, that is my own little world here in low-brow, lower-slobovia Ohio.... but I believe parents getting locked up for hitting their kids is not at all as common as you might think.

[Bobbo]

It's interesting that several posters are blaming "Liberals" for this situation, when in fact, the concept of zero tolerance policies were championed almost exclusively by Conservatives.

That's like insinuating liberals are responsible for the concept of the death penalty because they championed abortion rights.  If we are into placing blame, zero tolerance policies were brought into being because liberal judges were creating a "revolving door" for career criminals. So if you are blaming zero tolerance, blame the liberals for creating the need for them.

Your statements don't make logical sense.

The death penalty predates "Liberals" by thousands of years, so they couldn't have originated the idea.

If "Liberal" judges were creating a "revolving door", that means the criminals were getting convicted, even without "zero tolerance".

Zero tolerance policies were started by the Reagan Administration as a way to make it easier to convict people under his "War on Drugs".  Conservatives championed these policies as "get tough" measures.  This policy cast a wide net over anyone using controlled substances, and convicted many casual drug users, but failed miserably to reign in the drug lords and professional criminals.  This judge's decision appears to be an extension of these "get tough" Conservative measures.

[Bobbo]

Championed by dumb a$$ conservatives administered by even dumber liberals............

That may very well be.  Bad policies tend to come full circle, and bite you in the behind...

Bobbo,
If you can't read the oppinion of the judge and see LIBERAL written all over it then we have nothing to discuss.............

Please refer to the last sentence in my response to Trynt. 

[The Anvil]

Liberal and conservative ideologies are predated by... well pretty much nothing. Since man became civilized (and arguably even before) people were trying to tell each other what to do and resenting it.

Fact; there really is no difference between "liberals" and "conservatives" anymore and the terms have become obsolete. Each group is more than happy to try and tell society how to act. It's just that they target different behavior for modification.

[3fan4life]

Please refer to the last sentence in my response to Trynt.  

That would hold water if the judge were a Republican however he is a Democrat:

http://markmccoy.com/wp/2011/06/18/judge-jose-longoria-sentences-mom-for-spanking-her-child/

This is more about the authority of the state than it is about parental discipline.

http://babblingbrunette.com/2011/06/texas-children-dont-spank-them-just-let-the-state-execute-them/

http://rightwingnews.com/legal/judge-jose-longoria-needs-a-spanking/

http://www.dirtfromtexas.com/judge-jose-longoria-tells-woman-we-dont-spank-kids/

[Bobbo]

That would hold water if the judge were a Republican however he is a Democrat:

You are using the faulty math equation "Democrat = Liberal"

This is more about the authority of the state than it is about parental discipline.

Historically, Conservatives have increased authority of the state by creating laws that restrict social behavior much more than Liberals.  Abortion laws, blue laws, drug laws, pornography laws, anti gay marriage laws, and prohibition were all conservative ideals.

[BIG--T]

You can still spank your kids, you just can't do it in public.

That must vary by state. Here if the childs calls police and there is marks, you can go to jail! My sister in FL has two girls said they were going to call child services a nd she whipped them and handed them the phone to call!! But they didn't. I'm a firm believer in tough love but there is a difference between a spanking, beating, and child abuse.

[Doc809]

I find it amazing the there doesn't seem to be a single topic of conversation on this board that two or three can't change into a liberal/conservative issue and debate.  Very sad that we are so obsessed with another's "label".

[3fan4life]

You are using the faulty math equation "Democrat = Liberal"

That's the same math that liberals use "Republican = Conservative"

Sorry Bobbo you can't have your cake and eat it too on this one.  

Historically, Conservatives have increased authority of the state by creating laws that restrict social behavior much more than Liberals.  Abortion laws, blue laws, drug laws, pornography laws, anti gay marriage laws, and prohibition were all conservative ideals.

And typically conservatives are for family values, i.e. disciplining a child is well within a parent's rights.

It is typically Liberals who subscribe to a "Nanny State" in which only the government has that authority.

If not spanking your child was a conservative philosophy why is it that the right wing web sites are the ones screaming the loudest about this incident. And the liberal sites see no problem with the judges decision.

Come on Bobbo, reach down deep inside of yourself and do something that you have never done before on this board:

Admit that you are WRONG on this one.


Now I'm going for a ride.......................

[Bobbo]

I find it amazing the there doesn't seem to be a single topic of conversation on this board that two or three can't change into a liberal/conservative issue and debate.  Very sad that we are so obsessed with another's "label".

I think that's to be expected when the topic of the original post deals with a political, social, or legal issue.  It is also rare when the first Conservative vs. Liberal reply complains about Conservatives!  

[RoadKill]

Stupidity does not discriminate...it's like a virus and infected people like this judge is how it spreads !

[Bobbo]

That's the same math that liberals use "Republican = Conservative"

Sorry Bobbo you can't have your cake and eat it too on this one.  

I use neither faulty equation.

And typically conservatives are for family values, i.e. disciplining a child is well within a parent's rights.

It is typically Liberals who subscribe to a "Nanny State" in which only the government has that authority.

If not spanking your child was a conservative philosophy why is it that the right wing web sites are the ones screaming the loudest about this incident. And the liberal sites see no problem with the judges decision.

Come on Bobbo, reach down deep inside of yourself and do something that you have never done before on this board:

Admit that you are WRONG on this one.


Now I'm going for a ride.......................

You are getting off subject.  At issue is not whether parents have the right to discipline their children, but rather the method of discipline.

In this case, notwithstanding other information about abuse, I disagree with this Judge's sentencing decision, even though the mother plead guilty to the charges.  On what side of the political fence does that leave me?!     

[The Anvil]

You can still spank your kids, you just can't do it in public.

That must vary by state. Here if the childs calls police and there is marks, you can go to jail! My sister in FL has two girls said they were going to call child services a nd she whipped them and handed them the phone to call!! But they didn't. I'm a firm believer in tough love but there is a difference between a spanking, beating, and child abuse.

Well, I was alluding more to the point that corporal punishment is something that should be metered out away from public eyes. It's just not smart in this day and age to do it in public. Which is not to say that you should be beating your kids behind closed doors but I'll be honest, I don't really want to see someone else spank their kid. When I see a child being struck my instinct is to intervene on behalf of the child. But I also know that I've had to grab hold of an ear from time to time.

I'll tell you this much right now; when my dad got really quiet and dragged me to the car without uttering a word? THAT was when I got worried.

[Trynt]

It's interesting that several posters are blaming "Liberals" for this situation, when in fact, the concept of zero tolerance policies were championed almost exclusively by Conservatives.

That's like insinuating liberals are responsible for the concept of the death penalty because they championed abortion rights.  If we are into placing blame, zero tolerance policies were brought into being because liberal judges were creating a "revolving door" for career criminals. So if you are blaming zero tolerance, blame the liberals for creating the need for them.

Your statements don't make logical sense.

The death penalty predates "Liberals" by thousands of years, so they couldn't have originated the idea.

If "Liberal" judges were creating a "revolving door", that means the criminals were getting convicted, even without "zero tolerance".

Zero tolerance policies were started by the Reagan Administration as a way to make it easier to convict people under his "War on Drugs".  Conservatives championed these policies as "get tough" measures.  This policy cast a wide net over anyone using controlled substances, and convicted many casual drug users, but failed miserably to reign in the drug lords and professional criminals.  This judge's decision appears to be an extension of these "get tough" Conservative measures.

Of course it doesn't make sense, it was intended to illustrate your faulty logic. I assumed you'd understand, but let me explain.  The issues are only tangentially related (ie.. abortion, death penalty, death and zero tolerance, governmental intrusion, heavy handedness). To further illustrate the length of your logical stretch, I sarcastically went to the liberal judge argument. Oh by the way "revolving door" wasn't an issue of conviction, it was a lack of meaningful consequences when convicted. And imho the war on drugs is a fool's errand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_tolerance

[fiddle mike]

It's interesting that several posters are blaming "Liberals" for this situation, when in fact, the concept of zero tolerance policies were championed almost exclusively by Conservatives.

Not in South Texas it ain't, Bud.  Longoria is part of the "Mexicrat" establishement in a town of over 50% Hispanics.  The incredibly "effed up" Child Protective Service is staffed, both here and in Austin by Affirmative Action hires who owe their souls to the Democrats and to LULAC.  When a child was beaten to death in a nearby town, after several reports of abuse, the local CPS director told us her agency had "done its job".  The Democrats' political feudal system makes it impossible to get competent judges or CPS staff.

The old Leftist practis of "accuse your enemies of doing what you do" ain't gonna fly.

[98valk]

Whoa, you're all missing the point of this new trend. It's about jobs, ask yourself what the hell are the police and judges going to do for work, if you correct these children before they can get their hands on them? You and I both know, they can destroy a child's morale a lot better than we can.

+1 add lawyers, judges and social workers jobs to that. nice little good old boys club they got there at societies expense.

[Stanley Steamer]

My parents spanked us growing up.....usually with a hickory limb or belt.....my Daddy was the main disciplinarian.....but Mama would spank us if she had to......but we were never beaten or abused....I did see my Mother slap one of my Sisters in the face once when she was being a real biotch.....

Every year, at the start of school, my Daddy would tell our teachers that if we got into trouble to spank us and let him know and he'd spank us again when he got us home.....I NEVER got a single spanking in school...not once, but we did enough stuff at home to make up for it....I pretty much needed every spanking I ever got and should have been spanked for some things I didn't get caught doing.... .....

All my siblings grew up without "emotional" trauma from being "whipped"....they quit corporal punishment in Rabun County the year after I graduated....1989......the Asst. Principal had given a kid a paddling and it bruised his lower back.....it seems like everything went to hell in the school systems in the last 20ish yrs since students figured out that they could get their teachers/parents/ etc. etc in trouble...

My HS Girlfriend's Family was very liberal.....they gave her and her sister "time outs" and restrictions..... .......we'd have laughed in our folks face if they'd tried that crap with us....

I saw the writing on the wall, and this very thing is one reason I decided against having kids......they can cause you a LOT of grief when they want to punish you for trying to discipline them......the Wife's cousin has had nothing but trouble with her daughter...DFACS even got to the point of irritation with her daughter.....and the sheriff and a judge had to tell her the next stop was juvenile detention......and another friend is going through this right now with an adopted daughter.......

I am happy with the way I was raised and am glad my folks cared enough about me/us to adjust our attitude when we needed it......

[The Anvil]

My parents spanked us growing up.....usually with a hickory limb or belt.....my Daddy was the main disciplinarian.....but Mama would spank us if she had to......but we were never beaten or abused....I did see my Mother slap one of my Sisters in the face once when she was being a real biotch.....

Every year, at the start of school, my Daddy would tell our teachers that if we got into trouble to spank us and let him know and he'd spank us again when he got us home.....I NEVER got a single spanking in school...not once, but we did enough stuff at home to make up for it....I pretty much needed every spanking I ever got and should have been spanked for some things I didn't get caught doing.... .....

All my siblings grew up without "emotional" trauma from being "whipped"....they quit corporal punishment in Rabun County the year after I graduated....1989......the Asst. Principal had given a kid a paddling and it bruised his lower back.....it seems like everything went to hell in the school systems in the last 20ish yrs since students figured out that they could get their teachers/parents/ etc. etc in trouble...

My HS Girlfriend's Family was very liberal.....they gave her and her sister "time outs" and restrictions..... .......we'd have laughed in our folks face if they'd tried that crap with us....

I saw the writing on the wall, and this very thing is one reason I decided against having kids......they can cause you a LOT of grief when they want to punish you for trying to discipline them......the Wife's cousin has had nothing but trouble with her daughter...DFACS even got to the point of irritation with her daughter.....and the sheriff and a judge had to tell her the next stop was juvenile detention......and another friend is going through this right now with an adopted daughter.......

I am happy with the way I was raised and am glad my folks cared enough about me/us to adjust our attitude when we needed it......

It's funny but though I hated it at the time I look back and totally understand why my dad beat my ass. I can only think one one time where I don't think I had it coming, but hey parents aren't perfect either.

There's also a big difference between fearing your parents and the consequences of your actions and living IN fear of them.

[Stanley Steamer]

My parents spanked us growing up.....usually with a hickory limb or belt.....my Daddy was the main disciplinarian.....but Mama would spank us if she had to......but we were never beaten or abused....I did see my Mother slap one of my Sisters in the face once when she was being a real biotch.....

Every year, at the start of school, my Daddy would tell our teachers that if we got into trouble to spank us and let him know and he'd spank us again when he got us home.....I NEVER got a single spanking in school...not once, but we did enough stuff at home to make up for it....I pretty much needed every spanking I ever got and should have been spanked for some things I didn't get caught doing.... .....

All my siblings grew up without "emotional" trauma from being "whipped"....they quit corporal punishment in Rabun County the year after I graduated....1989......the Asst. Principal had given a kid a paddling and it bruised his lower back.....it seems like everything went to hell in the school systems in the last 20ish yrs since students figured out that they could get their teachers/parents/ etc. etc in trouble...

My HS Girlfriend's Family was very liberal.....they gave her and her sister "time outs" and restrictions..... .......we'd have laughed in our folks face if they'd tried that crap with us....

I saw the writing on the wall, and this very thing is one reason I decided against having kids......they can cause you a LOT of grief when they want to punish you for trying to discipline them......the Wife's cousin has had nothing but trouble with her daughter...DFACS even got to the point of irritation with her daughter.....and the sheriff and a judge had to tell her the next stop was juvenile detention......and another friend is going through this right now with an adopted daughter.......

I am happy with the way I was raised and am glad my folks cared enough about me/us to adjust our attitude when we needed it......

It's funny but though I hated it at the time I look back and totally understand why my dad beat my ass. I can only think one one time where I don't think I had it coming, but hey parents aren't perfect either.

There's also a big difference between fearing your parents and the consequences of your actions and living IN fear of them.

I never feared my parents....but I did know that if I messed up, I was going to get my butt busted....

my brother is 2 years younger than me, so we were always getting into something....sometimes, my daddy would tell us he was going to whip us both and then he'd know he got the right one....that probably happened a time or two......

and he once waited until we'd gone to bed to give us a spanking for something we'd done earlier in the day....we were under the covers and thought he'd forgotten about it...... .....but alas, he cut the light on, and proceeded to spank us.....maybe he'd needed to calm down and gave himself some time for that??..... ???

I hate to be around familys in public with little crumb snatchers who are showing their asses!!!....I remember my folks popping us on the butt in a store if we were "pitching a fit" for a toy or something.....

[doubletee]

I am happy with the way I was raised and am glad my folks cared enough about me/us to adjust our attitude when we needed it......

+1    

[RoadKill]

Judge Jose Longoria needs an ASS WHOOPIN ! His mom obviously did not beat him enough to knock sense into him !