Woman spanks child. Loses custody. Goes to jail! WTF?

[Willow]

It's humorous now to remember my dad preparing to administer discipline and hear him say, "I'm not going to lie to you, son.  This is going to hurt you a lot more than it's going to hurt me."    The man was honest to a fault.

I recently had opportunity to watch young parents angrily correcting two of their three children in public.  The correction involved slaps on a bare thigh by the mother and rather harsh and demeaning speech by the father.  I didn't like the sight of it.

I truly believe that corporal punishment is a necessary part of proper upbringing, but must never be administered in anger.  A parent is better served to allow an infraction to go unaddressed if the parent cannot get his or her feelings under control.

That's my two cents.  From the details we have, it certainly sounds like the judge in this case was way off base.

[3fan4life]

In this case, notwithstanding other information about abuse, I disagree with this Judge's sentencing decision, even though the mother plead guilty to the charges.  On what side of the political fence does that leave me?!     

That would leave you on the side that has COMMON SENSE, something that the judge in this case obviously does not have.


The part of your post that I take exception to is the logic that says this judges decision was the result conservative influence.

That makes no sense whatsoever, especially since the flip opposite is the truth.   

[Bobbo]

In this case, notwithstanding other information about abuse, I disagree with this Judge's sentencing decision, even though the mother plead guilty to the charges.  On what side of the political fence does that leave me?!     

That would leave you on the side that has COMMON SENSE, something that the judge in this case obviously does not have.


The part of your post that I take exception to is the logic that says this judges decision was the result conservative influence.

That makes no sense whatsoever, especially since the flip opposite is the truth.   

Zero tolerance, extended government intrusion, and harsh penalties have typically been championed by Conservative politicians, mostly in the Reagan administration (War on Drugs) and the G. W. Bush administration (Patriot Act).  Now that a judge uses that same concept in a child discipline case shows that it has come full circle.

This concept, like most, can be used by both sides of the political fence.  If a casual pot smoker is arrested and sentenced to a long prison term, Conservatives will generally agree with it, and Liberals will not.  If a parent is arrested for corporal punishment of their child, Liberals will generally agree with it, and Conservatives will not.  Both involve strict and/or extreme interpretation of existing laws.  Drug laws in the first example, and assault and battery laws in the second.

[musclehead]

It's interesting that several posters are blaming "Liberals" for this situation, when in fact, the concept of zero tolerance policies were championed almost exclusively by Conservatives.

last I looked the schools/NEA isn't ran by conservatives?  where'd you hear this?

[musclehead]

I find it amazing the there doesn't seem to be a single topic of conversation on this board that two or three can't change into a liberal/conservative issue and debate.  Very sad that we are so obsessed with another's "label".

I think that's to be expected when the topic of the original post deals with a political, social, or legal issue.  It is also rare when the first Conservative vs. Liberal reply complains about Conservatives!  

thats because you might be outnumbered 

[NW roller]

D.C. lets you spank your kids. I have been on calls where nosey neighbors called  us and reported the spanking. I would check on the kid and go back to the neighbor and tell them all was well you can spank a kid in the district and they would look awe struck.I wanted to tell them to mind their own frigging buiness. I was spanked as a chld and given a aZZ wipin when i needed it. i grew up fine. My kids are scared to death of me. I have no problem with that. i will be their friend later on in life right now I just want to be Dad the guy they are afraid of.Most of the kids in the neighborhood are scared of me also but they walk the line when they are at my house and most want to be there. i think most kids are looking for someone to tell them what to do and how to do it and set rules for them. If my Mom and Dad would have never given me a time to come home or to tell them where i was going I would have been hell on wheels. All kids are looking for structure in their lives. I have three great kids two girls and a boy. All were spanked and all are fine. SPARE THE ROD AND SPOIL THE CHILD. That was written in a old book I know alot of you know.

[Bobbo]

It's interesting that several posters are blaming "Liberals" for this situation, when in fact, the concept of zero tolerance policies were championed almost exclusively by Conservatives.

last I looked the schools/NEA isn't ran by conservatives?  where'd you hear this?

What does this thread have to do with schools?

[Bobbo]

I find it amazing the there doesn't seem to be a single topic of conversation on this board that two or three can't change into a liberal/conservative issue and debate.  Very sad that we are so obsessed with another's "label".

I think that's to be expected when the topic of the original post deals with a political, social, or legal issue.  It is also rare when the first Conservative vs. Liberal reply complains about Conservatives!  

thats because you might be outnumbered 

I'd say 1 to 4,363 is outnumbered!  Not sure what this has to do with Conservatives complaining the most!

[Willow]

I'd say 1 to 4,363 is outnumbered!  Not sure what this has to do with Conservatives complaining the most!

There've actually only been 1,290 people signed onto the General board in the past two weeks.

During the first term of G. W. Bush perception would have been that the vast majority of posters were anti-conservative.

I think it boils down to a very vocal handful of people with an axe to grind.  We also tend to notice more the posts that either offend or amuse us.

I'm not sure we can accurately determine the distribution of conservatives, liberals, libertarians, and those who defy categorization within the VRCC, but I'm pretty sure we're not nearly as lopsided as we think we are at any given time.    

[RoadKill]

I'd say 1 to 4,363 is outnumbered!  Not sure what this has to do with Conservatives complaining the most!

There've actually only been 1,290 people signed onto the General board in the past two weeks.

During the first term of G. W. Bush perception would have been that the vast majority of posters were anti-conservative.

I think it boils down to a very vocal handful of people with an axe to grind.  We also tend to notice more the posts that either offend or amuse us.

I'm not sure we can accurately determine the distribution of conservatives, liberals, libertarians, and those who defy categorization within the VRCC, but I'm pretty sure we're not nearly as lopsided as we think we are at any given time.    

I think I complained twice and messed up the curve....OOPS !     

[Willow]

I think I complained twice and messed up the curve....OOPS !     

Dale, I'm pretty sure you've always been one to distort the curve.  Maybe I should say, add an odd sort of twist to the accepted norm.    

[Bobbo]

There've actually only been 1,290 people signed onto the General board in the past two weeks.

I was looking at the figure for total membership.

I think it boils down to a very vocal handful of people with an axe to grind.  We also tend to notice more the posts that either offend or amuse us.

I'm not sure we can accurately determine the distribution of conservatives, liberals, libertarians, and those who defy categorization within the VRCC, but I'm pretty sure we're not nearly as lopsided as we think we are at any given time.    

Agree with both of your first points, but there are a few here who are quite certain they can determine the exact political stance of people, and name-call appropriately...    

[musclehead]

It's interesting that several posters are blaming "Liberals" for this situation, when in fact, the concept of zero tolerance policies were championed almost exclusively by Conservatives.

last I looked the schools/NEA isn't ran by conservatives?  where'd you hear this?

What does this thread have to do with schools?

most of the time 'zero tolerance' is brought up its in reference to schools, my bad....

[musclehead]

I find it amazing the there doesn't seem to be a single topic of conversation on this board that two or three can't change into a liberal/conservative issue and debate.  Very sad that we are so obsessed with another's "label".

I think that's to be expected when the topic of the original post deals with a political, social, or legal issue.  It is also rare when the first Conservative vs. Liberal reply complains about Conservatives!  

thats because you might be outnumbered 

I'd say 1 to 4,363 is outnumbered!  Not sure what this has to do with Conservatives complaining the most!

you've got SE your not totally alone....

[RoadKill]

, "but there are a few here who are quite certain they can determine the exact political stance of people, and name-call appropriately...   uglystupid2  "


That happens when we stir the pot in 1 direction and then the other,Bobbo...I have been called worse and I am sure you have as well. That is what being a trouble maker is all about 

[Serk]

Okay, enough arguing about if this was Bush's fault or Obama's fault... Does anyone know if there's any organized effort to get Judge Jose Longoria removed and get this wrong righted???

My google-fu has failed me, haven't found anything on this, but the more important issue, IMHO, is to get this judge removed from the bench and make it VERY clear that we are allowed to spank our children.