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lets see here, kill anything that pollinates the plants in the world. no pollination, no food. http://www.naturalnews.com/031091_USDA_pesticide.htmlbut wait this company can provide all the growing plants needed. http://www.naturalnews.com/032826_Monsanto_seed_supply.htmland who approves all of this for money and powers of position? |
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2011, 01:31:45 PM » |
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Its all about power, control and money and this isn't the only thing they are going after. The problem is to many people have their head up their a$$ and pretend everything's OK. Well it's not but when they have the media on their side putting spin on it people think it's just a small number of wackos shouting CONSPIRACY.
Now, let's hear from the progressives, you know who you are.
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2011, 02:21:50 PM » |
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I truly hope this post does not generate wild argumentative political conversation and finger pointing.
The stuff in the articles quoted need to be taken seriously.
It is a sad fact that so many have no clue about what is happenning to our agriculture. Think about the effects genetically modified crops have on us and the animals we eat who feed on it. Actually, the real effects will take years to be understood.
Arguing over where the blame for this should be placed will produce no effective result, just chin music.
Better to read, become informed, and start demanding answers.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2011, 03:24:37 AM » |
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The two links make no sense. You are saying Monsanto will kill off the bugs that pollinate its own seed. The GMO plants will NOT produce either. So, NO food at all produced.
Are you a farmer? Or, are you just reading kook stuff?
I guess, by your definition, I am now a progressive because I question your statements.
GMO seeds have some problems, and some benefits. They are not the monsters you claim.
Corn seed has been hybred for over 50 years, BEFORE GMO, thus requiring new seed every year. Why no rant about that?
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2011, 06:35:44 AM » |
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The two links make no sense. You are saying Monsanto will kill off the bugs that pollinate its own seed. The GMO plants will NOT produce either. So, NO food at all produced.
Are you a farmer? Or, are you just reading kook stuff?
I guess, by your definition, I am now a progressive because I question your statements.
GMO seeds have some problems, and some benefits. They are not the monsters you claim.
Corn seed has been hybred for over 50 years, BEFORE GMO, thus requiring new seed every year. Why no rant about that?
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2011, 07:31:21 AM » |
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The two links make no sense. You are saying Monsanto will kill off the bugs that pollinate its own seed. The GMO plants will NOT produce either. So, NO food at all produced.
Are you a farmer? Or, are you just reading kook stuff?
I guess, by your definition, I am now a progressive because I question your statements.
GMO seeds have some problems, and some benefits. They are not the monsters you claim.
Corn seed has been hybred for over 50 years, BEFORE GMO, thus requiring new seed every year. Why no rant about that?
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2011, 07:45:01 AM » |
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Think about the effects genetically modified crops have on us and the animals we eat who feed on it. Actually, the real effects will take years to be understood.
Yes, they are positive. They been modified for years. Without it, we would not have all the food we have know. |
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2011, 08:21:30 AM » |
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Ever see the documentary, "The World According to Monsanto"?
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2011, 10:20:52 AM » |
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Ever see the documentary, "The World According to Monsanto"?
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Ever see the documentary, "The World According to Monsanto"?
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2011, 10:36:29 AM » |
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2011, 03:18:33 PM » |
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I see more and more Monsanto elevators on the prairies each year...
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2011, 04:59:14 PM » |
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I see more and more Monsanto elevators on the prairies each year...
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Less government...less regulation...keep government out of our lives...profit over everything else...capitalism at its finest...hey, god didn't say that's how we'd perish, so nothing to worry about...the only way it can get any better, its if the companies pay NO taxes, because taxes are what's REALLY bad with this country...there, think I've covered all the bases... |
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2011, 03:32:00 AM » |
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My T-Bone won't taste right without growth hormones. So what if our children are reaching puberty at an earlier age, just that much sooner for them to grow up to be productive tax paying citizens.
What hormones? There are NO added hormones in your T-bone. This keeps getting stated as fact, when it is NOT. MP |
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2011, 03:51:53 AM » |
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Monsanto is also the company that brought you PCB's or at least proliferated their use.
Remember when the worry was that genetically modified crops would contaminate "normal" crops? Well Monsanto GM soybeans dominate the market. Monsanto is suing other farmers who's Soybeans are being cross pollinated by their GM soybeans for patent infringement ! They contaminate the world food source and sue the victims!
Look up the health problems of people who live in the "Plume" of the Monsanto plant in I believe Alabama. it is very scarey! I think it was in US news and World Report several years ago. I had it if I can find it I will post it.
On a positive note I will try and ride my Valk today for the first time since the accident April 23!
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2011, 03:31:35 PM » |
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Ever see the documentary, "The World According to Monsanto"?
Ever seen "Dallas Does Debbie"? Just wondering.... Why yes, I have. hoser |
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2011, 03:53:18 PM » |
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Monsanto is suing other farmers who's Soybeans are being cross pollinated by their GM soybeans for patent infringement ! They contaminate the world food source and sue the victims!
What?? Come on, really? Never read that in any of my farm mags. Maybe thats why the honey bee population is on the decline. They go from field to field cross contaminating crops.  Hope our neighbors dont sue us cause our bees crossed the line. |
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2011, 03:57:43 PM » |
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I don't think you have to be a democrat or republican to be more than a little concerned about the conglomeration of agriculture in this country. If there's one thing we've learned it's that as corporations get bigger and more powerful their behavior tends to deteriorate.
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2011, 06:36:09 PM » |
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Where are we going? And why am I in this hand basket?
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I don't think you have to be a democrat or republican to be more than a little concerned about the conglomeration of agriculture in this country. If there's one thing we've learned it's that as corporations get bigger and more powerful their behavior tends to deteriorate.
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2011, 02:16:49 AM » |
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What?? Come on, really? Never read that in any of my farm mags. Maybe thats why the honey bee population is on the decline. They go from field to field cross contaminating crops.
Actually, MOST of the honey bees are in lockup, but not because of the cross-contaminating of crops - it's because of the "three strikes" law - seems that most have been caught numerous times, with a little kief from cannabis along with the pollen. Sure beats locking up the "killer bees" for THEIR crimes, eh?? NORML.... Roger |
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Monsanto is suing other farmers who's Soybeans are being cross pollinated by their GM soybeans for patent infringement ! They contaminate the world food source and sue the victims!
What?? Come on, really? Never read that in any of my farm mags. Maybe thats why the honey bee population is on the decline. They go from field to field cross contaminating crops. Hope our neighbors dont sue us cause our bees crossed the line. I will look for the article |
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Monsanto is suing other farmers who's Soybeans are being cross pollinated by their GM soybeans for patent infringement ! They contaminate the world food source and sue the victims!
What?? Come on, really? Never read that in any of my farm mags. Maybe thats why the honey bee population is on the decline. They go from field to field cross contaminating crops. Hope our neighbors dont sue us cause our bees crossed the line. Read this article http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/05/monsanto200805 |
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My T-Bone won't taste right without growth hormones. So what if our children are reaching puberty at an earlier age, just that much sooner for them to grow up to be productive tax paying citizens.
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My T-Bone won't taste right without growth hormones. So what if our children are reaching puberty at an earlier age, just that much sooner for them to grow up to be productive tax paying citizens.
Or have kids at 11 and become part of the other half (that doesn't pay any taxes) If we wait until that "other half" becomes the other three fourth or the other ninety five percent, it will be too late. If only we had a law against sex, we can solve this problem nowPlease don't say that too loud. |
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« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2011, 06:25:50 AM » |
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Ah, from New York, no wonder! That has to do with 'organic' farming. Thx for the article, good reading. |
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The link provided a .pdf of the preemptive lawsuit, which was interesting. It didn't provide links to Monsanto's lawsuits against farmers, so I looked a little for myself. According to Monsanto (which I have nothing to do with), they have filed suit against 145 farmers since 1997. Considering they sell to more than 250,000 farmers, that's a small percentage. They claim 11 lawsuits went to trial, and all were found in favor of Monsanto. It appears Monsanto isn't suing farmers simply for innocent cross contamination, but for purposely saving the new seeds and selling or re-using them. I know farmers regularly gather and re-use seed, but if they know the seed is contaminated with undesirable genetics, they generally dispose of them. Monsanto also states that the majority of investigations are from farmers turning in other farmers. It looks like farmers aren't as united against Monsanto as the suit makes it seem. |
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I've seen the Yoda endorsed version called Dallas Debbie Does.
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The link provided a .pdf of the preemptive lawsuit, which was interesting. It didn't provide links to Monsanto's lawsuits against farmers, so I looked a little for myself. According to Monsanto (which I have nothing to do with), they have filed suit against 145 farmers since 1997. Considering they sell to more than 250,000 farmers, that's a small percentage. They claim 11 lawsuits went to trial, and all were found in favor of Monsanto. It appears Monsanto isn't suing farmers simply for innocent cross contamination, but for purposely saving the new seeds and selling or re-using them. I know farmers regularly gather and re-use seed, but if they know the seed is contaminated with undesirable genetics, they generally dispose of them. Monsanto also states that the majority of investigations are from farmers turning in other farmers. It looks like farmers aren't as united against Monsanto as the suit makes it seem. Monsanto has proven by it's actions in the past it has no care for people or the environment. They are driven strictly by corporate profit. Their investigative tactics border on illegal and supremely evasive to say the least. I would not believe a word they say or print. I am still looking for the original artical and I will post it. |
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I've seen the Yoda endorsed version called Dallas Debbie Does.
funny he is hmmm Thanks, I'll be here until Willow bans me. Try the veal, it's great! |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
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The link provided a .pdf of the preemptive lawsuit, which was interesting. It didn't provide links to Monsanto's lawsuits against farmers, so I looked a little for myself. According to Monsanto (which I have nothing to do with), they have filed suit against 145 farmers since 1997. Considering they sell to more than 250,000 farmers, that's a small percentage. They claim 11 lawsuits went to trial, and all were found in favor of Monsanto. It appears Monsanto isn't suing farmers simply for innocent cross contamination, but for purposely saving the new seeds and selling or re-using them. I know farmers regularly gather and re-use seed, but if they know the seed is contaminated with undesirable genetics, they generally dispose of them. Monsanto also states that the majority of investigations are from farmers turning in other farmers. It looks like farmers aren't as united against Monsanto as the suit makes it seem. Monsanto has proven by it's actions in the past it has no care for people or the environment. They are driven strictly by corporate profit. Their investigative tactics border on illegal and supremely evasive to say the least. I would not believe a word they say or print. I am still looking for the original artical and I will post it. That's the American way!  You Liberals and your anti-business beliefs... Next, you will be calling for government restrictions and regulations! |
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