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Seems like a lot of the readers prefer the Mobile 1 10W50 for the Valk. Is this the concensus? Better than the Honda GN4 or Castroil, etc?
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John U.
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2011, 01:16:36 PM » |
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The first thing you will soon be aware of is that there is NO CONSENSUS. The second is that there are a multitude of opinions. The third and most important is that friction modifiers can mess with your clutch
Now, on to my opinion. Motorcycle specific oils are a fine though expensive choice. Diesel oils won't hurt your clutch. Mobil one 15w50 car oil is good stuff but some have experienced clutch slippage when using it, including me.
My solution is to mix Mobil 15w50 and 15w40 diesel oil, 50/50. It's cheaper, the gears are still fairly quiet and I've had no more clutch slippage issues.
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Brian
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 01:26:36 PM » |
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Mobil 10w-50 not easy to find here in the one gallon jugs. Rotella T and regular Rotella is sold everywhere. Mobil 15w-50 is around $8.00 a quart where Rotella T is $16.00 a gallon. Have you looked for it in your neck of the woods?
Are you sure it is not Mobil1 15w-50?
Go back and look at the previous threads on oil, you can Google oil and get a lot of information, and be prepared to put your fire suite on if you bring up the filter question. I learned the hard way, but worth it. They made me a believer.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2011, 01:40:00 PM » |
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I just started on Amsoil fully synthetic after reading comparisons on performance and viscosity in extreme heat. I was using Honda SynBlend.
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 04:42:37 PM » |
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The first thing you will soon be aware of is that there is NO CONSENSUS. The second is that there are a multitude of opinions. The third and most important is that friction modifiers can mess with your clutch
Now, on to my opinion. Motorcycle specific oils are a fine though expensive choice. Diesel oils won't hurt your clutch. Mobil one 15w50 car oil is good stuff but some have experienced clutch slippage when using it, including me.
My solution is to mix Mobil 15w50 and 15w40 diesel oil, 50/50. It's cheaper, the gears are still fairly quiet and I've had no more clutch slippage issues.
I have noticed that the Mobil 1 High Mileage oils have no friction modifiers. Problem is I can only find them in 10w30 and 10w40. |
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The Anvil
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2011, 04:50:40 PM » |
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10w40 should be plenty heavy enough for the Valk engine in any *earthly climate Brad.
*If you're riding on Venus then, my apologies...
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In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2011, 05:50:58 PM » |
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I'm running AMSOIL, 10W30 for winter, 10w40 for warmer weather..
Rotella T 15W40 is also a good choice..
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2011, 06:49:40 PM » |
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Try Rotella T5 Synthetic Blend. I use 10-40, but you can also get it in 10-30.
It is Diesel oil and available at Tractor Supply or Wally World.
I previously used Golden Spectro for over twenty years and 135 thousand miles. I believe that the Rotella t5 10-40 is just as good. The bike shifts smoothly and runs quieter that the Rotella full synthetic.
You will find numerous opinions this board when it comes to oil. the choice is yours.
God bless
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 06:57:05 PM » |
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The first thing you will soon be aware of is that there is NO CONSENSUS. The second is that there are a multitude of opinions. The third and most important is that friction modifiers can mess with your clutch
Now, on to my opinion. Motorcycle specific oils are a fine though expensive choice. Diesel oils won't hurt your clutch. Mobil one 15w50 car oil is good stuff but some have experienced clutch slippage when using it, including me.
My solution is to mix Mobil 15w50 and 15w40 diesel oil, 50/50. It's cheaper, the gears are still fairly quiet and I've had no more clutch slippage issues.
I have noticed that the Mobil 1 High Mileage oils have no friction modifiers. Problem is I can only find them in 10w30 and 10w40. I noticed that too Brad. I also think 10w40 is plenty and I plan on trying it out next oil change. I guess that means that opinions vary and are changable as well. I haven't seen a breakdown of additives for the Mobil High Mileage oil as I have for the 15w50 so I think I'll still do my custom blend with diesel oil. |
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 07:01:40 PM » |
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straight mobil1 15-50 diesel oil. mobil m1-110 filter. works for me NO slippage  my 3 cents worth  |
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 07:04:17 PM » |
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straight mobil1 15-50 diesel oil. mobil m1-110 filter. works for me NO slippage my 3 cents worth Mobil 1 15w50 isn't diesel oil |
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2011, 07:23:11 PM » |
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Not specifically diesel though. But yeah, I used Mobil 1 15w50 in my H-D's and I use it in my Jeep. Good stuff. I know at least one person who uses it in a diesel pickup with good results. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2011, 07:26:33 PM » |
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pardon me for not being technical enough for youall.  here i'll fix it for you straight mobil1 15-50 high-performance turbo-charged, supercharged gasoline and diesel multi-valve fuel-injected engines. " better?  |
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2011, 07:30:50 PM » |
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pardon me for not being technical enough for youall. Oh I don't care. OTHER people though... |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2011, 01:55:25 PM » |
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Opinions will vary greatly on this subject! I think Mobil1 10w40 4T Racing oil and Amsoil are the top two. I use Mobil because I can buy it anywhere and also like the Pure1 oil filter. Just be sure what you pick doesn't have energy consevative on the circle on the back. |
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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2011, 02:03:02 PM » |
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The first thing you will soon be aware of is that there is NO CONSENSUS. The second is that there are a multitude of opinions. The third and most important is that friction modifiers can mess with your clutch
Now, on to my opinion. Motorcycle specific oils are a fine though expensive choice. Diesel oils won't hurt your clutch. Mobil one 15w50 car oil is good stuff but some have experienced clutch slippage when using it, including me.
My solution is to mix Mobil 15w50 and 15w40 diesel oil, 50/50. It's cheaper, the gears are still fairly quiet and I've had no more clutch slippage issues.
I have noticed that the Mobil 1 High Mileage oils have no friction modifiers. Problem is I can only find them in 10w30 and 10w40. I noticed that too Brad. I also think 10w40 is plenty and I plan on trying it out next oil change. I guess that means that opinions vary and are changable as well. I haven't seen a breakdown of additives for the Mobil High Mileage oil as I have for the 15w50 so I think I'll still do my custom blend with diesel oil. only do custom blends if u are doing UOAs. sometimes mixing oils causes more wear, additives can work against each other or not work at all. I had the worst UOA for my truck when I mixed oils. bobistheoilguy.com has some similar UOAs of mixing oils. |
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2011, 11:14:05 PM » |
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I am a synthetic oil believer but... well... I've had 3 Vintage Gold Wing clutches go out on me because of slippage caused by (ANY-BRAND) Motorcycle Synthetic Motor Oil... So said two Honda independent shops. To be clear, I am talking about three different GL1000 Gold Wings.   Since then, I have shifted away from synthetic motor oil on motorcycles. I am about to change oil and filters on both my Valkyrie and on my '77 vintage Gold Wing. So, is there a compelling reason for me not to use the Honda GN4, specific to our machines? I generally take short rides twice per week... perhaps 25 miles per ride.  ... not always on the same machine...  If I am not riding from L.A. to NYC, then I'd log perhaps 2k per year... 1k on each bike. I take much better care of my toys than I do of myself...  Is the Honda GN4 a bad choice?  Please lie to me!   “Take care of your horse and she will take care of you.”  |
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2011, 11:53:52 PM » |
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before my valk i had an 83 wing. used mobil1 15-50. never a problem for me. ymmv
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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2011, 04:26:18 AM » |
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+1 Mobil1 15-50
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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2011, 07:40:35 AM » |
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Two times a year O' Reilleys puts mobil1 15w 50 on sale for 4.99 a qt. I buy a dozen so I'm good for a year at least. 2000 I/S 135,000 miles and still running like a school girl.
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2011, 08:13:31 AM » |
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Amsoil 10W-40 all year long...PureOne filter.
Only the best for my baby....
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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2011, 03:46:49 PM » |
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Honda GN4 will work fine for your application assuming you're changing the oil each year.
As an aside, unless you were using the wrong synthetic the broad brush blame was just blowing smoke. It would, however, be a waste of money for 1000 mile intervals.
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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2011, 04:30:19 PM » |
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The 'busa gets amsoil at 8 bucks a quart and the valk gets Rotella. Follow link and scroll down page re motorcycle usage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Rotella_T |
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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2011, 04:49:22 PM » |
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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2011, 07:36:04 PM » |
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I looked at the 'Where to Buy' link on the Mobil 1 site and it looks like they've discontinued selling the 15W-50 in big jugs, and at Wal Mart in any size container. I understand their reasoning: the market for these weights is shrinking as cars are running on thinner and thinner oil these days. I hope I'm wrong -- does anyone know of a Wal Mart that still sells it?
I did see on the same Mobil 1 site that O'Reilly's is currently running a rebate if you buy 5 quarts. $12, or $15 if you get a filter. Since the Wal Mart option appears to be gone, I plan on buying some. There's a limit of 2 rebates.
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2011, 04:20:19 AM » |
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My local autoparts store still sells it and K-Mart. K-Mart only offers quart containers. That's ok with me, I don't have to save that big jug with extra oil that I'll never use. I checked my local Wally-World, where I used to get it. I couldn't find it and no where on the shelf to merchandise it. I couldn't find any help to ask, but I'm guessing they are no longer stocking it? |
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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2011, 06:18:26 AM » |
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My local autoparts store still sells it and K-Mart. K-Mart only offers quart containers. That's ok with me, I don't have to save that big jug with extra oil that I'll never use. I checked my local Wally-World, where I used to get it. I couldn't find it and no where on the shelf to merchandise it. I couldn't find any help to ask, but I'm guessing they are no longer stocking it? I've found that even the WalMart Supercenter near me doesn't stock it in juggs anymore. Which sucks because Two juggs used to do my Wrangler and Buell with a tad left over for consumption replacement in the Jeep. I got my last jugg there for 21.00 on CLEARANCE. |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
1997 Valk Standard, Red and White.
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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2011, 07:26:53 AM » |
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Yup, my last jug from Wally World was $21.00 and change |
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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2011, 02:51:31 PM » |
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Ams/Oil 10w40 with the "new" Ams/Oil chrome filter(, but I am prejudiced). Never had a problem in my '98 Valk. Last oil + filter change was after 10K miles; no oil usage and still had clean oil.
Also have Ams/Oil 75w90 in the rear end.
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« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2011, 03:04:56 PM » |
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For the relatively minor difference in price, I use Amsoil 10/40 Motorcycle oil. Peace of mind has a price that I am willing to pay. As for the filter, Pure One. |
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« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2011, 03:16:47 PM » |
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Valvoline 20w50 and changed every 2500-3000 miles...... Filter every other change
Always clean oil and gives me a chance to look the under side over and clean things.....
30 mins is worth it to me......
Same procedure on bikes for the last 25 years.... ALL Hondas and never a problem.
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« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2011, 05:00:41 PM » |
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To "BradValk"--You might want to consider changing your oil FILTER (rather than the oil) every 2500 to 3000 miles, then change the oil and filter after another 2500 to 3000K. Think about it!
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« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2011, 07:24:05 PM » |
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Hey Earl,
I think I borrowed your Valk in March 2010....you are Charlie's pal...right?
If so, thanks a million!!!! Your '97 Valk had 216K miles on it and ran like new.
Jim
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