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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2011, 06:08:37 AM » |
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Now that's some ridin'!!!!!!!!!!
My Valkyrie won't do that........
but.... Neither will my Harley.....
Ya think it might just be me?????? LOL
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2011, 06:20:14 AM » |
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Don't know if my bike could do that or not... I do know it couldn't do it with me driving!!!
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2011, 06:23:53 AM » |
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The cops on the Bella Tucker benefit ride yesterday were pulling some very facy "corralling" moves but nothing quite that intricate.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2011, 06:50:06 AM » |
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question for R.J., are those bikes modified? shorter turning maybe? still, amazing riding.  never happen with me on it  |
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2011, 06:52:21 AM » |
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And, surprise surprise, he's a really nice guy and a great teacher. In addition to his other duties, Donnie runs North Texas Motorcycle Safety Course out of Maxim Honda in Allen, TX. Janet took the Beginner's Course last year (that he donated to a Charity Auction I won) and was very nervous going in. She was even more nervous after the first day's classroom activities. However, she excelled at the riding portion of the class and gave much credit to the effective communication and patient demeanor exhibited by all his staff. http://www.ntmsc.com/ No affiliation, just a very satisfied customer.  |
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2011, 07:05:11 AM » |
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I've never said that. The way those bikes are set up they can ride circles around us any day...and with riders that skilled it's no contest. I saw a group of women riders quite a few years ago in SW Colorado called "Hardly Angels" and a 13 YO girl on a vintage HD with foot clutch could outride anyone I've ever met. There were Grandmothers in the group too...amazing riders. Here's some info on the group... http://davedragon.rilysi.com/2008/05/hardly-angels-female-motorcycle-drill.html |
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2011, 07:07:47 AM » |
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I could do that..........after about 10 beers..............hahaha.......just kidding, man, that guy can ride.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2011, 07:21:36 AM » |
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Look at his eyes and head position. You ride where you look.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2011, 07:22:26 AM » |
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Look at his eyes and head position. You ride where you look.
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2011, 07:27:50 AM » |
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The bike isn't what's successfully making the course!
Having tried some of this stuff on the FL series HD (my favorite model they make) and the Valkyrie, both will do this course with a rider of that skill level and practice (I'd need a GPS to find my way through that maze). The length of the Valk could be an issue on a couple of the turns, but doubtful. If a course like this is set up with a particular bike in mind, any longer and/or wider bike could have trouble with it. If this was set up with a dual sport bike in mind, not many purely street bikes could make it.
No matter what bike you ride, the slowest or most awkward thing on it is probably the rider.
The basic course this guy teaches uses a 20' wide area for U-turns. I know the Valkyrie will do circles either direction inside that 20' area with room to spare.
A well ridden _________ is way safer/smoother/faster/etc. than a poorly ridden _________. Insert ANY brand you choose into either blank.
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2011, 07:28:24 AM » |
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Absolutely amazing!! I feel good when I can manage to get turned around in a one-acre parking lot!!  |
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2011, 08:28:42 AM » |
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Finally, a topic I feel qualified to speak on. I have been a motor officer for more than twelve years and a police motorcycle operator instructor for about the past eight years.
I don't know who said that HD motorcycles won't handle well but as you can see that is just not the case. That said, as has been said above, it isn't the motorcycle that can or cannot complete the course. Any capable and able motorcycle can complete a similar course as long as the rider is able.
Police motor schools spend a great deal of time training how to do slow riding. Riding fast in a straight line isn't nearly as difficult as riding slowly through a course. The courses can't be just thrown together however. You must consider the wheel base and turning radius that the motorcycle is capable of.
When I began riding police motors we rode the Kawasaki KZ100-P. That bike had a much higher ground clearance, shorter wheel base and because of that it was capable of turning within a much tighter radius. Since we have changed to the HD Road King we have had to increase the size of the problems we ride in twice. I would have to check to be sure but I believe from the KZ to the current HD the problem size has increased 3-4 ft.
I have only had my Valk. for a few weeks and have not tried to ride in in problems like these. It does seem to be a bit more unweildy than my work bike. It goes straight really really fast much better though.
There has been a lot of bashing of this brand or that, and the Valk, on this forum lately and I've had to bite my tongue a bit. I'm not a huge fan of the HD but don't misunderstand, a good rider on a decent bike can do much more than a mediocre rider on a great bike.
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2011, 08:36:48 AM » |
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Just think how much better and faster he could complete the course if he had some big ape hangers on that bike  |
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« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2011, 11:44:02 AM » |
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question for R.J., are those bikes modified? shorter turning maybe? still, amazing riding. never happen with me on it Stock bikes except for heavier brakes. Takes a lot of training and riding. In the mid 50's, at CHP Academy you had to be able to ride like that or you never became a CHP motor officer. Used to be able to do that years ago, and yes back then I could have put the Valkyrie through those paces, except they would have had to open some of the corners for the longer bike. Set up like it is the Valkyrie would of knocked over a lot of cones with the saddlebags. |
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« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2011, 11:47:16 AM » |
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I just finished watching "riding like a pro", think I can do that......
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« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2011, 11:55:49 AM » |
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Finally, a topic I feel qualified to speak on. I have been a motor officer for more than twelve years and a police motorcycle operator instructor for about the past eight years.
I don't know who said that HD motorcycles won't handle well but as you can see that is just not the case. That said, as has been said above, it isn't the motorcycle that can or cannot complete the course. Any capable and able motorcycle can complete a similar course as long as the rider is able.
Police motor schools spend a great deal of time training how to do slow riding. Riding fast in a straight line isn't nearly as difficult as riding slowly through a course. The courses can't be just thrown together however. You must consider the wheel base and turning radius that the motorcycle is capable of.
When I began riding police motors we rode the Kawasaki KZ100-P. That bike had a much higher ground clearance, shorter wheel base and because of that it was capable of turning within a much tighter radius. Since we have changed to the HD Road King we have had to increase the size of the problems we ride in twice. I would have to check to be sure but I believe from the KZ to the current HD the problem size has increased 3-4 ft.
I have only had my Valk. for a few weeks and have not tried to ride in in problems like these. It does seem to be a bit more unweildy than my work bike. It goes straight really really fast much better though.
There has been a lot of bashing of this brand or that, and the Valk, on this forum lately and I've had to bite my tongue a bit. I'm not a huge fan of the HD but don't misunderstand, a good rider on a decent bike can do much more than a mediocre rider on a great bike.
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You didn't have to wait for this topic to chime in and speak up... just look at half the posts here... and you think those people are qualified to speak about that stuff.... Nice to know... after a few miles under your belt in the problem areas on your Valk... give us some comparative info and tips. I find the Harley to be smaller and lighter.... so they should be better at slow close maneuvers I would imagine. But I have seen similar maneuvers with Goldwings at Shriner runs.  |
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« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2011, 03:01:47 PM » |
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Only thing not stock on the first Harley was his handlebars, slightly higher, the police equipment.
The Harley in tight places will outhandle most other brands due to the steep rake and trail and the forks
or fork tubes are behind the center bolt on the triple trees.
It is engineered to cut and turn like that.
My Flht will cut in under my Valk in a turn without so much as dragging a floor board.
Over 100 years of making them taught them a few things.
The narrow tire on the rear helps a great deal.
The Harley may not look cool but it damn sure is functional.
Now for water cooling and about 40 more Horsepower.
No one would have too much to gripe about.
Yah there is the price thing.
But a Goldwing new is just as much.
And it has a lot less chrome.
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« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2011, 03:20:43 PM » |
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The second video is what Knoxville , Tennessee finest called " The Snowman " . Ronnie ( Normandog ) and I watched them at the Honda Hoot several years ago. All was on Harley's and they was very good in fact one of them did it with his left hand in the air ( no clutch ) . Just about all of them work security at Knoxville's biggest bike night every thursday night @ The Lube.
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« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2011, 06:33:12 PM » |
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Is there somewhere someone could learn to ride like that (without a career change). I think(?) the motorman has a school, but any other options??? I can see having skills like that to be VERY useful especially in traffic and parking lots. plus That type of schooling should greatly sharpen your general riding abilities.
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2011, 07:28:38 PM » |
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Is there somewhere someone could learn to ride like that (without a career change). I think(?) the motorman has a school, but any other options??? I can see having skills like that to be VERY useful especially in traffic and parking lots. plus That type of schooling should greatly sharpen your general riding abilities.
http://www.msumotorcycletraining.com/Just one of many. |
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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2011, 08:21:01 PM » |
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Young Pup, A great place to start is to take an MSF Skilled riders course. It is a real eye opener, and it will make you feel humble. You are right though about it being really great skills to have in your posession. Most insurance companies will even give you a 10-15% discount. Well worth your time and money. In no way am I close to the skill level of these Motor Officers, but after taking the course, I can do stuff on my HD that amazes even me. I have said several times in other threads that my Valk I/s beats my HD in high speed situations, but the HD is for sure better (for me) in slow speed maneuvers. I especially notice it when riding two up, with baggage. I believe it is because while sitting "ON" my Valk, I sit "IN" my Road Glide. What Big Al said in his post about steering geometry of the HD is also a big advantage in slow speeds. Plus on my Road Glide, the weight of the fairing is borne by the frame, not the Handle Bars. Like I always say, ..."the best of both worlds"!  Is there somewhere someone could learn to ride like that (without a career change). I think(?) the motorman has a school, but any other options??? I can see having skills like that to be VERY useful especially in traffic and parking lots. plus That type of schooling should greatly sharpen your general riding abilities.
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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2011, 08:48:25 PM » |
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I think the "bad" handling is where a not so capable rider tries to make a HD into a sport bike But I think this pic is a Suzuki M109. |
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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2011, 07:35:59 AM » |
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I took this one a few years ago on the Valk. I thought I was a pretty good rider before taking this - never realized how much I DIDN'T know! Awesome course, expensive, but worth it! |
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I am a retired LEO and was a motor officer for 3 years. Before we ever threw a leg over our police bike, we had to take the HD 80 hour course for police motors. I thought I could ride prior to that course. I was wrong. As I understand it, the only mods made to those bikes for training purposes is a slight clutch adjustment to allow for more slippage. When a few of our officers got home from the school tried to practice our new found skills with our working police bikes, they burned up the clutch in about 30 minutes. Yes, at one time I could make those turns - if you didn't, you didn't pass and you didn't ride when you got back home. Could I ride like that today? No, but I do know the actions to bring about the effects. As someone else pointed out, watch his head. They drill that into you over and over -the bike follows the head. That officer was flat out flying through that course, most of us couldn't keep up. Hats off to him.
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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2011, 10:53:55 AM » |
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Haven't seen this one posted here before:
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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2011, 11:22:52 AM » |
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No doubt that dude can ride.
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Looks like he's doing everything I saw in the "Ride like a Pro" training. I think it was buy Jerry Motorman Palladino?
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That's from the Grand Prairie First Annual Spring Classic Police Motorcycle Rodeo. Link to GPSCPROfficer Williams is with the Mckinney PD. I spoke with officer Joseph G. Kalota of the GPPD about the event. I also bloged about it. Link to blog.Texarkana AR PD is planning a Motor Officer training session in November. I'm hoping to be able to go out and see some of it. |
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Dude is a real professional on the Back of that Hardley-Stumblehome.
Think what he could do with one of those fancy BMW's
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Looks like he's done that before!
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« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2011, 07:15:40 AM » |
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