Gryphon Rider
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« on: July 12, 2011, 09:59:49 AM » |
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Scroll to later in the thread to read about my practise burnout.
There is a show 'n' shine this weekend at a local church that is quite a big event, with hundreds of cars and dozens of bikes. I have a Falken Ziex on Gryphon that is down to the wear bars, and conveniently the church has built a concrete burnout pit that will get extensive use on Saturday and I'm thinking of signing up so I can get rid of those unsightly wear bars.
Can someone give me step-by-step instructions for a safe and successful burnout with a saddlebag-removed Tourer? First or second gear? The front wheel will be blocked; do I still need to hold the front brake?
I'll give the bike a ride there in my pickup so I can take it home if the rubber gets a little thin. I'm pricing out the General Altimax HP to replace the Falken.
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Jack
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2011, 10:04:34 AM » |
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#1 DON'T PRACTICE IN FRONT OF PEOPLE
#2 Make sure bike is positioned correctly(straight, upright)
#3 Start engine, hold front brake in firmly
#4 Place in 2nd gear
#5 Rev to 3 grand
#6 Release clutch maintaining a firm grip on front brake.
#7 Always keep your left hand near the clutch lever and the bike in a stable position
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2011, 10:06:42 AM » |
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#1 DON'T PRACTICE IN FRONT OF PEOPLE
#2 Make sure bike is positioned correctly(straight, upright)
#3 Start engine, hold front brake in firmly
#4 Place in 2nd gear
#5 Rev to 3 grand
#6 Release clutch maintaining a firm grip on front brake.
#7 Always keep your left hand near the clutch lever and the bike in a stable position
You forgot #8 Prepare to clean a loooooooooot of rubber off of things and cough up black crap for a couple days.  |
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Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
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Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2011, 10:07:28 AM » |
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Our local LARGE car show got cancelled by the local PD due to bikes and cars doing burnouts leaving the show area.
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2011, 10:17:04 AM » |
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Most of the burnout contests give higher points if you shift through all of the gears while doing the burnout. Once the tire is hot and smoking, you can easily upshift. Maximum points if you blow the tire up!
If you decide to do this, be aware that you can get the tire up to about 100 MPH, and it will throw hot rubber when it goes.
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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2011, 10:22:19 AM » |
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This is not a contest, just a show. Jack, by release the clutch do you mean dump the clutch or ease out the clutch?
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Jack
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2011, 10:23:26 AM » |
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Oh, dump, of course.  |
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2011, 11:41:39 AM » |
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Don't forget the bleach... Makes lots of smoke.  |
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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2011, 11:51:03 AM » |
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Don't forget the bleach... Makes lots of smoke. If they're that slick he shouldn't need any.  |
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« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2011, 11:55:49 AM » |
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You'll still get more smoke with bleach.
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« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2011, 12:16:10 PM » |
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Newbie question... assuming you have an old tire you are getting ready to change anyway, does participating in burnouts (contest or otherwise) pose much of a risk to damaging your bike other than the tire?
Is it all in good motorcycling fun or is it a stupid thing to do?
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PAVALKER
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2011, 12:32:44 PM » |
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Keep your feet on the ground and ass off the seat.... unless shifting.
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2011, 12:34:24 PM » |
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Is it all in good motorcycling fun or is it a stupid thing to do? Both actually. I did it all the time with my hot rod panel truck, but I would not do it with the Valk. Jim |
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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2011, 01:04:41 PM » |
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I wouldn't do it either. It's fun to watch, though.
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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2011, 01:19:43 PM » |
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she looked like a pro in zanesville
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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2011, 01:42:12 PM » |
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If you want to practice a couple times,getting it started is the key...no need to keep burnin. the old girl has no problem igniting a tire and having front wheel blocked makes it almost too easy. The big thick patch of burnt rubber in the burn out box will be the hardest place to get her going,try to side step it if you can,but either way she'll make you proud !  |
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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2011, 01:50:53 PM » |
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Is it all in good motorcycling fun or is it a stupid thing to do? Both actually. I did it all the time with my hot rod panel truck, but I would not do it with the Valk. Jim I've gone against advice on a few things. I put a car tire on my motorcycle's back wheel, waterless propylene glycol in my cooling system, highway pegs on the crash bars, friction lock on the throttle, buttless chaps on my legs (rather than full leather pants) and music in my ears (MP3 player) while riding. I've also exceeded the labelled weight limit of my sissy bar luggage rack and probably my saddlebags too. There is evidence that I've had unprotected sex at least twice.  |
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2011, 02:28:08 PM » |
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Oh, that last one is too funny! Eh?
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BIG--T
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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2011, 02:42:49 PM » |
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Newbie question... assuming you have an old tire you are getting ready to change anyway, does participating in burnouts (contest or otherwise) pose much of a risk to damaging your bike other than the tire?
Is it all in good motorcycling fun or is it a stupid thing to do?
Well if the tire blew during the burnout could be bad news! Then I heard there's a shortage of u-joints too.  |
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2011, 03:34:06 PM » |
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borrow someone else's bike to trash
keep your Valk in good shape
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take personal responsibility and keep your word
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csj
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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2011, 03:37:53 PM » |
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A female almost whacked me last week from behind, heard the
tires screach, she got stopped, I looked back at her, revved to
3-4K rpm, dropped the clutch and left a maybe 2 foot patch.
I run a car tire, it hooked right back up, had to get out of it
to not run into the car ahead.
When you do your burnout with your car tire, hope the extra
contact area doesn't hurt your drivetrain. Use some kind of lube
under that tire.
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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2011, 04:31:25 PM » |
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Never,ever would I do a burn out with a Valk... It's just not right...  |
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POPS 57
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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2011, 08:39:23 AM » |
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Does it count if the unprotected sex was by yourself.  |
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And as i shifted into 5th I couldn't remember a thing she said.
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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2011, 10:11:15 AM » |
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Does it count if the unprotected sex was by yourself. That doesn't produce the kind of evidence I'm talking about. In all other cases plead the 5th (or in Canada, plead section 11(c) of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms).  |
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« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2011, 11:19:31 PM » |
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If you do go through with it (and we are all hoping you do, of course!!!!!) please have someone take a video and post it for us. |
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« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2011, 11:26:05 PM » |
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If you do go through with it (and we are all hoping you do, of course!!!!!) please have someone take a video and post it for us. Yep, no pictures, no video,,, it never happened! NUFF said. |
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« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2011, 11:30:52 PM » |
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If you do go through with it (and we are all hoping you do, of course!!!!!) please have someone take a video and post it for us. Yep, no pictures, no video,,, it never happened! NUFF said. We're talking about the burnout, and not that other thing that's been bandied about in this thread, right?!?!?! |
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Jabba
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« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2011, 05:13:50 AM » |
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Unsolicited tire advise...
I have a Falken and an Altimax on my 2 Valks.
I like the Falken WAY better than the Altimax.
Jabba
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« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2011, 07:39:59 AM » |
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I watched Frank Smoak do a burnout once. In my opinion, watching someone else do it is the best method for a burnout ... -Mike |
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« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2011, 08:32:01 AM » |
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Never,ever would I do a burn out with a Valk... It's just not right... Me neither!!  Start in 2nd... don't let go of the brake, even if you have a block. You can upshift from 2nd, if you want, but I don't think I'd try that your first time. Burn it 'til it pops! Since you're on concrete instead of asphalt, you'll have less black crap to clean up... but you get less smoke too. |
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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2011, 08:59:14 AM » |
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Unsolicited tire advise...
I have a Falken and an Altimax on my 2 Valks.
I like the Falken WAY better than the Altimax.
Jabba
The Altimax is already sitting in my garage, the Ride-on will arrive early next week, and I picked up a couple of tire valve stems similar to Patchboy items from my local tire shop supplier for $2.75 each. Patchboy's:  What I got:  |
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Jabba
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« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2011, 09:47:42 AM » |
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Unsolicited tire advise...
I have a Falken and an Altimax on my 2 Valks.
I like the Falken WAY better than the Altimax.
Jabba
The Altimax is already sitting in my garage, the Ride-on will arrive early next week, and I picked up a couple of tire valve stems similar to Patchboy items from my local tire shop supplier for $2.75 each. Patchboy's: What I got: Right on dude. I don't HATE the Altimax. But it is less forgiving about pressure than the Falken. It wants a SPECIFIC pressure to feel right. My Falken is a little more forgiving I think. Good luck! Have fun. Be safe. Jabba |
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« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2011, 11:09:52 AM » |
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Gryphon Rider,
Did you check with your insurance company to see if you are covered with a CT on your bike. When I called mine (Primmum) here in Ontario, they said it was not an accepted modification to the bike and that they would not cover me with one on.
Better to check than be sorry. If you are in an accident and hurt yourself or someone else it would be out of your own pocket.
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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2011, 11:59:10 AM » |
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Gryphon Rider,
Did you check with your insurance company to see if you are covered with a CT on your bike. When I called mine (Primmum) here in Ontario, they said it was not an accepted modification to the bike and that they would not cover me with one on.
Better to check than be sorry. If you are in an accident and hurt yourself or someone else it would be out of your own pocket.
No, I didn't and I won't. I didn't ask them about putting non-stock tires and rims on my car either. If I hear of one Canadian who has had the court uphold coverage denial because of a car tire on a bike, I'll reconsider after researching the details. Have you seen a list of accepted or unacceptable modifications, or do you ask permission each time you consider adding something to your bike? |
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« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2011, 12:21:45 PM » |
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I had read in some other boards that the insurance companies in Canada did not like this modification (darkside) so, I checked with mine. Sure enough they told me that I would not be covered if I have a CT on the bike.
I have a cousin who had a bad car accident and has a catastrophic brain injury and I saw the hell he went through with his insurance. They even accused him of trying to commit suicide and all he was doing was driving home from work. If you get in an accident the insurance company will question everything and try to find a way of getting out of paying. If you get seriously injured you will be screwed. My cousin's rehab costs in the 8 years since his accident are about $400 000. Luckily, the insurance has had to pick up the tab but, if they had found a way to get out of paying he would be quite screwed. Also, since his accident he can no longer work, he has a very diminished mobility especially on the left side where he got hit.
It is just not worth it.
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Gryphon Rider
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« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2011, 09:02:56 PM » |
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So I tried the 3000 RPM and pop the clutch thing, in both first and second gear, and got the same results - instant stall. I found I need about 3500-4000 RPM, engaging the clutch in a more controlled fashion while increasing the throttle to keep the revs up until the back tire breaks free. About 1 to 2 seconds of slipping the clutch to make this happen. It might work with slower RPMs but my method worked. I'll see if I can get a buddy to video it on Saturday.
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