A Great and Timely Quote!

[TomT]

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.
It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills.
It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally.
Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.'
Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better.”
 
SENATOR BARACK H. OBAMA, MARCH, 2006

[3fan4life]

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.
It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills.
It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally.
Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.'
Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better.”
 
SENATOR BARACK H. OBAMA, MARCH, 2006

Can You Say,  FLIP FLOP ?

[SANDMAN5]

 

[..]

For verification 

http://www.google.com/search?q=The+fact+that+we+are+here+today+to+debate+raising+America%E2%80%99s+debt+limit+is+a+sign+of+leadership+failure.&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBR_en

[Oss]

am not in disagreement but it is an age old problem
google george washingtons expense account

think we have it bad   he didnt even have a government treasury yet

[..]

Federal Debt-Ceiling Amnesia
• G.O.P. Strategy On Debt Ceiling (March 1, 2002)
Republican leaders in the House told the Bush administration that they did not have enough votes to increase the legal limit on the national debt and urged the White House to attach the measure to another piece of popular legislation, possibly a supplemental military appropriations bill. The administration has asked Congress to raise the debt limit by $750 billion, to $6.7 trillion, by the end of March, when the government is likely to breach the limit. Richard W. Stevenson
~
• Bush Seeks Increase in National Debt Limit (December 25, 2002)
The Bush administration asked Congress today to approve another increase in the limit on national debt, saying it will run out of the authority to borrow money by late February.
The deputy Treasury secretary, Kenneth W. Dam, in a letter to the House speaker, J. Dennis Hastert, cited the cost of combating terrorism and the economic slowdown for the government’s growing indebtedness.
The federal government, which enjoyed a budget surplus as recently as two years ago, had a shortfall of $157 billion this year and is expected to have a larger one in 2003.
Congress raised the government’s debt limit in July by $450 billion, to a total of $6.4 trillion, but administration officials predicted even then that they would need to raise the limit again by some time next year.
• As U.S. Debt Ceiling Is Reached, Bush Administration Seeks to Raise It Once Again (October 15, 2004)
Less than a day after President Bush implied that Senator John Kerry lacked ”fiscal sanity,” the Bush administration said on Thursday that the federal government had hit the debt ceiling set by Congress and would have to borrow from the civil service retirement system until after the elections.
Federal operations are unlikely to be affected because Congress is certain to raise the debt limit in a lame-duck session in November. Congressional Republicans had wanted to avoid an embarrassing vote to raise the debt ceiling just a few weeks before Election Day.
Since Mr. Bush took office in January 2001, the federal debt has increased about 40 percent, or $2.1 trillion, to $7.4 trillion. Congress has raised the debt ceiling three times in three years, raising it most recently by $984 billion in May 2003.
~
• Senate Approves Budget, Breaking Spending Limits (March 16, 2006)
The Senate narrowly approved a $2.8 trillion election-year budget Thursday that broke spending limits only hours after it increased federal borrowing power to avert a government default.
The budget decision at the end of a marathon day of voting followed a separate 52-to-48 Senate vote to increase the federal debt limit by $781 billion, bringing the debt ceiling to nearly $9 trillion. The move left Democrats attacking President Bush and Congressional Republicans for piling up record debt in their years in power.
~
• Bush signs sweeping housing bill (July 30, 2008)
President George W. Bush signed into law on Wednesday a huge package of housing legislation that included broad authority for the Treasury Department to safeguard the nation’s two largest mortgage finance companies and a plan to help hundreds of thousands of troubled borrowers avoid losing their homes.
The law authorizes the Treasury to rescue the mortgage finance giants, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, should they verge on collapse, potentially by spending tens of billions in federal monies. Together, the companies own or guarantee nearly half of the nation’s $12 trillion in mortgages.
To accommodate the rescue plan for the mortgage companies, the bill raises the national debt ceiling to $10.6 trillion, an increase of $800 billion. The bill also creates significant liabilities and risks for taxpayers, that are virtually impossible to calculate.
~~~

http://www.google.com/search?q=Federal+Debt-Ceiling+Amnesia&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7ADBR_en

[Bobbo]

From ABC News:

Senior White House adviser David Plouffe was asked about that statement and Obama's vote against it on Fox News Sunday, and said "He believes that vote was a mistake".

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that "the president, as David Plouffe said yesterday, regrets that vote and thinks it was a mistake.  He realizes now that raising the debt ceiling is so important to the health of this economy and the global economy that it is not a vote that, even when you are protesting an administration's policies, you can play around with, and you need to take very seriously the need to raise the debt limit so that the full faith and credit of the United States government is maintained around the globe."

[Chrisj CMA]

From ABC News:

Senior White House adviser David Plouffe was asked about that statement and Obama's vote against it on Fox News Sunday, and said "He believes that vote was a mistake".

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that "the president, as David Plouffe said yesterday, regrets that vote and thinks it was a mistake.  He realizes now that raising the debt ceiling is so important to the health of this economy and the global economy that it is not a vote that, even when you are protesting an administration's policies, you can play around with, and you need to take very seriously the need to raise the debt limit so that the full faith and credit of the United States government is maintained around the globe."

I know what votes were a mistake.....all the actual and phoney votes for Obama.  He needs impeaching now

[Psychotic Bovine]

I think that is the only truthful thing that Obama has ever said. 

[ricoman]

I figured it would be pointed out to be Bush's fault.
The real blame lies with Nixon or Eisenhower, not Bush.
Will this one go to 5 pages of mindless drivel and blame without any sensible ideas suggested? Bet it does.

[Willow]

Will this one go to 5 pages of mindless drivel and blame without any sensible ideas suggested? Bet it does.

I'll take that bet.     Had you an amount in mind?    

[ricoman]

Willow,
would that be a fair bet?
You can stop the post at any time, sooo how 'bout 2 bucks?
That way there's no real money and you won't be tempted to go to great lengths to win the bet! 
No, wait 2 bucks is a little better than a half gallon of gas. There is incentive.

[Willow]

Willow,
would that be a fair bet?

It wouldn't, would it?      

[MacDragon]

This was sent to me in an e-mail and I can not verify the stats, just interesting reading with a grain of salt (in the wound)

THE PRESIDENCY
SOME WILL APPRECIATE THIS AND SOME WILL NOT.  HOWEVER, ALL OF IT IS TRUE.
After two years of Obama ... Here's your change!
 
                                    January 2009   TODAY                % change
   Avg.. Retail price/gallon gas in U.S.   $1.83   $3.44                  84%               
Crude oil, European Brent (barrel)   $43..48   $99..02                127.7%               
Crude oil, West TX Inter. (barrel)   $38..74   $91..38                135.9%               
Gold: London (per troy oz.)         $853.25   $1,369.50    60.5%               
Corn, No.2 yellow, Central IL    $3.56   $6.33                78.1%               
Soybeans, No. 1 yellow, IL                $9.66   $13..75                42.3%               
Sugar, cane, raw, world, lb. Fob   $13..37   $35..39       164.7%               
Unemployment rate, non-farm, overall   7.6%   9.4%                 23.7%               
Unemployment rate, blacks                12.6%   15.8%                 25.4%               
Number of unemployed            11,616,000   14,485,000     24.7%               
Number of fed. Employees              2,779,000   2,840,000      2.2%               
Real median household income    $50,112   $49,777                 -0.7%               
Number of food stamp recipients     31,983,71   643,200,878         35.1%               
Number of unemployment benefit recipients   7,526,598   9,193,838   22.2%               
Number of long-term unemployed   2,600,000   6,400,000   146.2%               
Poverty rate, individuals   13.2%   14.3%   8.3%               
People in poverty in U.S.   39,800,000   43,600,000   9.5%               
U.S.. Rank in Economic Freedom World Rankings   5   9   n/a               
Present Situation Index                  29.9   23.5              -21.4%               
Failed banks                               140   164               17.1%               
U.S.. Dollar versus Japanese yen exchange rate   89.76   82.03   -8.6%               
U.S.. Money supply, M1, in billions   1,575.1   1,865.7                18.4%               
U.S.. Money supply, M2, in billions   8,310.9   8,852.3                 6.5%               
National debt, in trillions   $10..627   $14..052                           32.2%               
                            
Just take this last item: In the last two years we have accumulated national debt at a rate more than 27 times as fastas during the rest of our entire nation's history.
Over 27 times as fast. Metaphorically speaking, if you are driving in the right lane doing 65 MPH and a car rockets past you in the left lane.
27 times faster, it would be doing 7,555 MPH!
Sources:
(1) U.S. Energy Information Administration;
(2) Wall Street Journal
(3) Bureau of Labor Statistics
(4) Census Bureau
(5) USDA
(6) U.S. Dept. Of Labor
(7) FHFA
( Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller
(9) RealtyTrac
(10) Heritage Foundation and WSJ
(11) The Conference Board
(12) FDIC
(13) Federal Reserve
(14) U.S. Treasury
 
So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 24 months -- so you'll have one year and ten months to come up with an answer.
Every statement in this email is factual and directly attributable to Barrack Hussein Obama. Every bumble is a matter of record and completely verifiable.

[musclehead]

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.
It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills.
It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally.
Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here.'
Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better.”
 
SENATOR BARACK H. OBAMA, MARCH, 2006

Can You Say,  FLIP FLOP ?

I can say moral turpitude

[musclehead]

From ABC News:

Senior White House adviser David Plouffe was asked about that statement and Obama's vote against it on Fox News Sunday, and said "He believes that vote was a mistake".

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that "the president, as David Plouffe said yesterday, regrets that vote and thinks it was a mistake.  He realizes now that raising the debt ceiling is so important to the health of this economy and the global economy that it is not a vote that, even when you are protesting an administration's policies, you can play around with, and you need to take very seriously the need to raise the debt limit so that the full faith and credit of the United States government is maintained around the globe."

speaking of the 'full faith and credit' the reason Obama won't accept the short term deal proposed by the repubs is because he'd have to deal with it again next year during elections (according to his chief of staff). so what's more important reelection or defaulting?

[musclehead]

This was sent to me in an e-mail and I can not verify the stats, just interesting reading with a grain of salt (in the wound)

THE PRESIDENCY
SOME WILL APPRECIATE THIS AND SOME WILL NOT.  HOWEVER, ALL OF IT IS TRUE.
After two years of Obama ... Here's your change!
 
                                    January 2009   TODAY                % change
   Avg.. Retail price/gallon gas in U.S.   $1.83   $3.44                  84%               
Crude oil, European Brent (barrel)   $43..48   $99..02                127.7%               
Crude oil, West TX Inter. (barrel)   $38..74   $91..38                135.9%               
Gold: London (per troy oz.)         $853.25   $1,369.50    60.5%               
Corn, No.2 yellow, Central IL    $3.56   $6.33                78.1%               
Soybeans, No. 1 yellow, IL                $9.66   $13..75                42.3%               
Sugar, cane, raw, world, lb. Fob   $13..37   $35..39       164.7%               
Unemployment rate, non-farm, overall   7.6%   9.4%                 23.7%               
Unemployment rate, blacks                12.6%   15.8%                 25.4%               
Number of unemployed            11,616,000   14,485,000     24.7%               
Number of fed. Employees              2,779,000   2,840,000      2.2%               
Real median household income    $50,112   $49,777                 -0.7%               
Number of food stamp recipients     31,983,71   643,200,878         35.1%               
Number of unemployment benefit recipients   7,526,598   9,193,838   22.2%               
Number of long-term unemployed   2,600,000   6,400,000   146.2%               
Poverty rate, individuals   13.2%   14.3%   8.3%               
People in poverty in U.S.   39,800,000   43,600,000   9.5%               
U.S.. Rank in Economic Freedom World Rankings   5   9   n/a               
Present Situation Index                  29.9   23.5              -21.4%               
Failed banks                               140   164               17.1%               
U.S.. Dollar versus Japanese yen exchange rate   89.76   82.03   -8.6%               
U.S.. Money supply, M1, in billions   1,575.1   1,865.7                18.4%               
U.S.. Money supply, M2, in billions   8,310.9   8,852.3                 6.5%               
National debt, in trillions   $10..627   $14..052                           32.2%               
                            
Just take this last item: In the last two years we have accumulated national debt at a rate more than 27 times as fastas during the rest of our entire nation's history.
Over 27 times as fast. Metaphorically speaking, if you are driving in the right lane doing 65 MPH and a car rockets past you in the left lane.
27 times faster, it would be doing 7,555 MPH!
Sources:
(1) U.S. Energy Information Administration;
(2) Wall Street Journal
(3) Bureau of Labor Statistics
(4) Census Bureau
(5) USDA
(6) U.S. Dept. Of Labor
(7) FHFA
( Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller
(9) RealtyTrac
(10) Heritage Foundation and WSJ
(11) The Conference Board
(12) FDIC
(13) Federal Reserve
(14) U.S. Treasury
 
So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 24 months -- so you'll have one year and ten months to come up with an answer.
Every statement in this email is factual and directly attributable to Barrack Hussein Obama. Every bumble is a matter of record and completely verifiable.

thanks, I needed that. it's a two year snap shot of the economy. there isn't a metric out there that shows any improvement in the economy. they missed one, 20% of homes are under water.

[SANDMAN5]

Number of food stamp recipients     31,983,71   643,200,878         35.1%

643 million people in the U.S. getting food stamps?
Where's mine? ???

[Kylenav]

We need another man like this.  Almost as if he knew where we were heading....


“When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe .”  -- Thomas Jefferson

    “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
   -- Thomas Jefferson

   “It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes.  A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world.”
    -- Thomas Jefferson

    “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

    “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

    “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

    “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”
    -- Thomas Jefferson

    “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

    “To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”
    -- Thomas Jefferson

   Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
   “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. 
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first

by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

[Bobbo]

Number of food stamp recipients     31,983,71   643,200,878         35.1%

643 million people in the U.S. getting food stamps?
Where's mine? ???

With only 312,000,000 people in the USA, we are all getting DOUBLE food stamps!  I'm getting TRIPLE!  That explains where yours went!  

[Bobbo]

We need another man like this.  Almost as if he knew where we were heading....



    “The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
   -- Thomas Jefferson

I completely agree that we need more people like Mr. Jefferson, but it does a disservice to him when he is misquoted for political agendas...   

[BigAl]

Ah hell we have been heading for this snce they demanded we sell houses and give loans to folks that can't afford the home.

Bush even said we are in for it and tried to introduce  it to congress as in told them, and they did nothing.

This is a big shiitte sandwich and we are all gonna have to take a bite.

Just pick your spot and bite hard and long.

It ain't gonna taste good and all the tea partyers and social justice they sprinkle on it ain't gonn make it taste better.

Get your bite over with before all the good spots are taken.

Blame who you will.

We are the losers and your kids.


I don't have any.

Al


Oh and you can esp. thank Barney Frank and a few Dems that just retired or tossed the towel in.

You choose

[Kylenav]

I believe most of the quotes above were written while he was serving in congress or as the President of the USA... Seems to me he was a politician referring directly to politics.  I can't see a more fitting place to utilize his quotes.  Not being a smart a** just attempting to understand your position on how I brought perhaps our best politician disservice by merely offering his words of wisdom.  I have not modified his quotes, hence they are all in "".

[ValhallaIamComing]

From ABC News:

Senior White House adviser David Plouffe was asked about that statement and Obama's vote against it on Fox News Sunday, and said "He believes that vote was a mistake".

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that "the president, as David Plouffe said yesterday, regrets that vote and thinks it was a mistake.  He realizes now that raising the debt ceiling is so important to the health of this economy and the global economy that it is not a vote that, even when you are protesting an administration's policies, you can play around with, and you need to take very seriously the need to raise the debt limit so that the full faith and credit of the United States government is maintained around the globe."

Of course he would say that now!  Its not like he is simply going to admit he is a hypocrite!

[G-Man]

I figured it would be pointed out to be Bush's fault.
The real blame lies with Nixon or Eisenhower, not Bush.
Will this one go to 5 pages of mindless drivel and blame without any sensible ideas suggested? Bet it does.

Congress HAS come up with a terrific idea which (unfortunately) does raise the debt ceiling, adds NO new taxes, and cuts spending.  They have passed it and will present it to the Senate, which without even reading it will not pass it.  And, if it miraculously does pass through the Senate, Obama has said he will veto it, also without even reading it. 

I keep hearing that Obama has a plan of 80/20.  80% cuts and 20% new taxes, however when pressed, has presented NOTHING on paper for the house to even consider. 

So who is holding this country back from financial reform?  The Dems and Obama.  If I am wrong, show me instead of just discrediting or mocking me. 

(Not specifically aimed at Ricoman, but to all those who say that no ideas have been presented by the Right.)

[The Anvil]

I believe most of the quotes above were written while he was serving in congress or as the President of the USA... Seems to me he was a politician referring directly to politics.  I can't see a more fitting place to utilize his quotes.  Not being a smart a** just attempting to understand your position on how I brought perhaps our best politician disservice by merely offering his words of wisdom.  I have not modified his quotes, hence they are all in "".

Actually you have to be very careful which quotes you attribute to whom. Whackadoos have been making up bullshit and attributing to the founding fathers for quite a number of years. About a year and a half ago I received a viral email from about ten people I know all touting the wisdom of B-Frank and T-Jeff in about 20-ish quotes. Problem is; about half of them were either made up or said by someone else entirely. In one case I recognized one quote as being from Hitler. I'm on the fence as to who created these things. Sometimes I think it's Beckittybaugh disciples and other times I think it's left wingers trying to make people look stupid and gullible.

The internet and mass communication has seen to it that I question any quote I see that I do not immediately recognize as coming from the person it's attributed to. So you might wanna snopes your quotes. There is no record of T-Jeff ever uttering that quote that Bobbo took issue with.

[Bobbo]

I believe most of the quotes above were written while he was serving in congress or as the President of the USA... Seems to me he was a politician referring directly to politics.  I can't see a more fitting place to utilize his quotes.  Not being a smart a** just attempting to understand your position on how I brought perhaps our best politician disservice by merely offering his words of wisdom.  I have not modified his quotes, hence they are all in "".

Your "quotes" are a mix of correct, and incorrect.  Here is a link with explanations of each quote, and where the correct ones can be found in Jefferson's writings.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/j/jefferson-quotes.htm

Here is a link to many of Jefferson's writings:
http://etext.virginia.edu/toc/modeng/public/JefCycl.html

[Bobbo]

From ABC News:

Senior White House adviser David Plouffe was asked about that statement and Obama's vote against it on Fox News Sunday, and said "He believes that vote was a mistake".

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that "the president, as David Plouffe said yesterday, regrets that vote and thinks it was a mistake.  He realizes now that raising the debt ceiling is so important to the health of this economy and the global economy that it is not a vote that, even when you are protesting an administration's policies, you can play around with, and you need to take very seriously the need to raise the debt limit so that the full faith and credit of the United States government is maintained around the globe."

Of course he would say that now!  Its not like he is simply going to admit he is a hypocrite!

A hypocrite would publicly stand by their previous statements, while covertly taking different actions.  At least Obama understands that he can make a mistake, admit it, and take a new direction based on expanded knowledge.

[The Anvil]

From ABC News:

Senior White House adviser David Plouffe was asked about that statement and Obama's vote against it on Fox News Sunday, and said "He believes that vote was a mistake".

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that "the president, as David Plouffe said yesterday, regrets that vote and thinks it was a mistake.  He realizes now that raising the debt ceiling is so important to the health of this economy and the global economy that it is not a vote that, even when you are protesting an administration's policies, you can play around with, and you need to take very seriously the need to raise the debt limit so that the full faith and credit of the United States government is maintained around the globe."

Of course he would say that now!  Its not like he is simply going to admit he is a hypocrite!

A hypocrite would publicly stand by their previous statements, while covertly taking different actions.  At least Obama understands that he can make a mistake, admit it, and take a new direction based on expanded knowledge.

Exactly.

You can take issue with Obama being wrong all you want, there's certainly plenty to chew there. But he's not been a hypocrite, at least not on this (Libya on the other hand...).

[Kylenav]

As my old man used to tell me, "believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see."  I guess this is a prime example of the half not to believe...

[Bobbo]

But he's not been a hypocrite, at least not on this (Libya on the other hand...).

Maybe in a few years, he will admit any mistakes he's making now!   

[Kylenav]

Came across this interesting read.... Again don't know what to believe but I'm hoping this is a fake!

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

[ricoman]

Came across this interesting read.... Again don't know what to believe but I'm hoping this is a fake!

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

Why you hoping for it to be fake?
If it makes economic sense to get the oil, it would mean a major reduction in imported.

[Raverez]

 

Politicians will just keep screwing us. Doesn't matter who is in the White House. They all flip flop on issues and we keep putting them in there.   

[musclehead]

From ABC News:

Senior White House adviser David Plouffe was asked about that statement and Obama's vote against it on Fox News Sunday, and said "He believes that vote was a mistake".

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that "the president, as David Plouffe said yesterday, regrets that vote and thinks it was a mistake.  He realizes now that raising the debt ceiling is so important to the health of this economy and the global economy that it is not a vote that, even when you are protesting an administration's policies, you can play around with, and you need to take very seriously the need to raise the debt limit so that the full faith and credit of the United States government is maintained around the globe."

Of course he would say that now!  Its not like he is simply going to admit he is a hypocrite!

A hypocrite would publicly stand by their previous statements, while covertly taking different actions.  At least Obama understands that he can make a mistake, admit it, and take a new direction based on expanded knowledge.

did ALL the democratic senators make the same mistake? in the vote in question they all voted no. schumer, read, clinton, durbin et al voted the party line

[Robert]

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[Bobbo]

From ABC News:

Senior White House adviser David Plouffe was asked about that statement and Obama's vote against it on Fox News Sunday, and said "He believes that vote was a mistake".

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that "the president, as David Plouffe said yesterday, regrets that vote and thinks it was a mistake.  He realizes now that raising the debt ceiling is so important to the health of this economy and the global economy that it is not a vote that, even when you are protesting an administration's policies, you can play around with, and you need to take very seriously the need to raise the debt limit so that the full faith and credit of the United States government is maintained around the globe."

Of course he would say that now!  Its not like he is simply going to admit he is a hypocrite!

A hypocrite would publicly stand by their previous statements, while covertly taking different actions.  At least Obama understands that he can make a mistake, admit it, and take a new direction based on expanded knowledge.

did ALL the democratic senators make the same mistake? in the vote in question they all voted no. schumer, read, clinton, durbin et al voted the party line

You'll have to ask them.

Voting along party lines is unfortunately common, and is usually reserved to send a message to the other party.  Too bad that message usually is to the detriment of the citizens...

[Kylenav]

I'm hoping it's fake only because we are NOT using it!!!  If they know there is this much oil then why the heck are up supporting the middle east, and in return paying close to $4 a gallon!!!

I say pay americans to get it, and use it!  Oh, and paying $3 a gallon less wouldn't be a bad thing either!  Would only have to shell out $4-5 to fill the Valk!!

[musclehead]

From ABC News:

Senior White House adviser David Plouffe was asked about that statement and Obama's vote against it on Fox News Sunday, and said "He believes that vote was a mistake".

White House press secretary Jay Carney said that "the president, as David Plouffe said yesterday, regrets that vote and thinks it was a mistake.  He realizes now that raising the debt ceiling is so important to the health of this economy and the global economy that it is not a vote that, even when you are protesting an administration's policies, you can play around with, and you need to take very seriously the need to raise the debt limit so that the full faith and credit of the United States government is maintained around the globe."

Of course he would say that now!  Its not like he is simply going to admit he is a hypocrite!

A hypocrite would publicly stand by their previous statements, while covertly taking different actions.  At least Obama understands that he can make a mistake, admit it, and take a new direction based on expanded knowledge.

did ALL the democratic senators make the same mistake? in the vote in question they all voted no. schumer, read, clinton, durbin et al voted the party line

You'll have to ask them.

Voting along party lines is unfortunately common, and is usually reserved to send a message to the other party.  Too bad that message usually is to the detriment of the citizens...

I'm with you on this one, both sides are using this current 'crisis' as a political football trying to gain advantage for the next election. it's not even thinly veiled.