You know ,maybe I'm missing something here

[solo1]

My first bike was a very much used 1935 Harley sidevalve.  I would guess that it sold for about $400.00 new. Today, HD is a little more fancy.

I just got the latest RoadRunner mag ( a good bike travel mag by the way).  There is a review of the new Harley CVO line (Custom Vehicle operations) bikes. WOW!  Power locks, iPod integration, GPS, Screaming Eagle 110 Vtwin, custom wheels, "super trick paint", integrated garage door opener, 400 watt stereo system (I know why, it makes sense) and the list goes on.  Prices from $29k up to $37k.

Interesting that my old bike and the latest from Milwaukee still share a common detail.  AIR COOLED.

If Honda would have the same public relations team and the same Chutzpa (sp), the Valk would still be made and would be outselling just about everything else IMHO.

Maybe the day will come when the HD crowd will accept radiators but that will be a HARD sell for the PR team.

[Chrisj CMA]

My first bike was a very much used 1935 Harley sidevalve.  I would guess that it sold for about $400.00 new. Today, HD is a little more fancy.

I just got the latest RoadRunner mag ( a good bike travel mag by the way).  There is a review of the new Harley CVO line (Custom Vehicle operations) bikes. WOW!  Power locks, iPod integration, GPS, Screaming Eagle 110 Vtwin, custom wheels, "super trick paint", integrated garage door opener, 400 watt stereo system (I know why, it makes sense) and the list goes on.  Prices from $29k up to $37k.

Interesting that my old bike and the latest from Milwaukee still share a common detail.  AIR COOLED.

If Honda would have the same public relations team and the same Chutzpa (sp), the Valk would still be made and would be outselling just about everything else IMHO.

Maybe the day will come when the HD crowd will accept radiators but that will be a HARD sell for the PR team.

I dont think they will ever "accept" radiators, but the day is comming (already declared) where all new motorcycle engines will be fuel injected water cooled fitted with smog devices and run quiet.  Harley will have to comply or become a museum.

I for one hope that day is averted by changing our government.  We are most certainely loosing so many freedoms, and one freedom that is in jeopardy is the freedom of motorcycling on a machine built the way you like

[fudgie]

None I talk with like the radiators. I read somewhere that by 2012 (I think) all bikes had to be water cooled to meet EPA specs. That was a few years ago tho.

I love it when guys set their alarms to go pay for gas. Or the ones that do it while they wash their bike at camp. 

[The Anvil]

Honda's problem is that there's nothing exciting in their line up. I honestly can't think of any thing they offer that gets my blood going. They've vanillafied everything in their stable. Now this is a problem the Japanese makers all suffer to a degree but Honda's the worst.

[x]

I for one hope that day is averted by changing our government.  We are most certainely loosing so many freedoms, and one freedom that is in jeopardy is the freedom of motorcycling on a machine built the way you like

I gotcha!  Do it any way you want, and screw the common good, screw the community to which you belong.  Is that what you are saying?
 
The world is evermore complex.  We live with our neighbors in evermore complex situations.  Straight pipes no longer cut it.  A motorcycle that puts out 20 to 30 times the emissions of a modern automobile no longer cuts it.
 
It's life.  The world is finite and becoming more so everyday.

PS:  It's 'losing', not 'loosing'.

[Chrisj CMA]

I for one hope that day is averted by changing our government.  We are most certainely loosing so many freedoms, and one freedom that is in jeopardy is the freedom of motorcycling on a machine built the way you like

I gotcha!  Do it any way you want, and screw the common good, screw the community to which you belong.  Is that what you are saying?
 
The world is evermore complex.  We live with our neighbors in evermore complex situations.  Straight pipes no longer cut it.  A motorcycle that puts out 20 to 30 times the emissions of a modern automobile no longer cuts it.
 
It's life.  The world is finite and becoming more so everyday.

PS:  It's 'losing', not 'loosing'.

LOL, yeah surely thats exactly what I meant.  I think you should rent a room in one of AL Gores mansions and ride around in one of his old jets with him all day so you can help him proclaim how the Polar bears are getting a suntan...........plz forgive me if I mispell something, I know how that must really be the most important thing to you right now.  sheesh
PS......Im sure the emissions of a stock Valkyrie and one with baffled Cobras are just about the same.  And that no longer cuts the mustard according to you.  Please turn in your Valkyrie to the board of the common good (VRCC) and Im sure a good use for it will be found.  You go riding without fuel injected catylitic converted, subsidized green gas and extra rev and gps speed limiters installed to assure you arent causeing the next case of respiratory disease and well, that would be so irresponsible of you based on what you believe to be true about such antisocial behavior.

[Art708]

I for one hope that day is averted by changing our government.  We are most certainely loosing so many freedoms, and one freedom that is in jeopardy is the freedom of motorcycling on a machine built the way you like

I gotcha!  Do it any way you want, and screw the common good, screw the community to which you belong.  Is that what you are saying?
 
The world is evermore complex.  We live with our neighbors in evermore complex situations.  Straight pipes no longer cut it.  A motorcycle that puts out 20 to 30 times the emissions of a modern automobile no longer cuts it.
 
It's life.  The world is finite and becoming more so everyday.

PS:  It's 'losing', not 'loosing'.

   Good Lord!!!

[wdvalk]

what chris said

[ValhallaIamComing]

Honda's problem is that there's nothing exciting in their line up. I honestly can't think of any thing they offer that gets my blood going. They've vanillafied everything in their stable. Now this is a problem the Japanese makers all suffer to a degree but Honda's the worst.

I agree... they even dropped the VTX1800!  I really think what it boils down to is that the metric brands are focusing on sport bikes and cruisers are just an afterthought for them.  And, since they are an afterthought, they are content to just clone Harleys as much as possible.

When my Valk wears out, I will be shopping for a Triumph Rocket III or maybe I will just settle for a Can-Am Spyder Tour and be a triker instead of a biker!

[solo1]

I too agree with Anvil. hohum, sos.  Nothing stands out except maybe the ST1300 but nothing new and lots of Vtwinkies wannabees.

It doesn't make any difference to me anyhow since I'm out of the new bike market and probably used too.  The Vstrom gets me in the wind, it's cheap to run, fairly comfortable,  and it doesn't need and can't use chrome goodies.  Ugly dude but it gets the job done.

[bscrive]

I have to agree, there is nothing out there that gets me going.  I thought the new BMW 1600 was nice but I will not put out that much money for a bike.  I like to eat.

[Oss]

the bmw 1600 was an incredible ride, the most excitement from something new since I rode the original rocket 3's before they dropped the hp down

If the 1600 price dropped below 20 grand it would fly out of the showrooms

I did also feel the adventure 990 ktm? was a wild ride    Almost a thousand cc that can ride offroad and blow the vstrom class bikes away  It would make a monster commuter bike if it had hard bags but its price was high also.


Next year I hope to ride a vmax if they have any available at americade  the valk aint goin nowhere it only has 72000 on it, just gettin broken in

[bscrive]

The BMW dealer up here cannot keep them in stock at $29G.  When I stopped in to look at one it was already sold and it came in that day.

[Tropic traveler]

Quote from the Eagle.
""I gotcha!  Do it any way you want, and screw the common good, screw the community to which you belong.  Is that what you are saying? ""

Yup. It's kinda like bragging about your ample income then refusing to part with a little extra of it at tax time, all the while admonishing others for their cheapness & lack of "community giving" concerning taxes.

I used to think you made some good points Mr. Eagle, but now I know what you really are.
Hollow man... real hollow. 

[highcountry]

Honda's problem is that there's nothing exciting in their line up. I honestly can't think of any thing they offer that gets my blood going. They've vanillafied everything in their stable. Now this is a problem the Japanese makers all suffer to a degree but Honda's the worst.

Amen!  If I was looking to buy a new bike, I wouldn't give Honda a second look unless I was looking for a touring bike like the GW which has plenty of strong competition.

[Clark]

Quote from the Eagle.
""I gotcha!  Do it any way you want, and screw the common good, screw the community to which you belong.  Is that what you are saying? ""

Yup. It's kinda like bragging about your ample income then refusing to part with a little extra of it at tax time, all the while admonishing others for their cheapness & lack of "community giving" concerning taxes.

I used to think you made some good points Mr. Eagle, but now I know what you really are.
Hollow man... real hollow.  

T.T. I too would respond to W.C. but EVERYTIME I do.. it gets pulled..just dont seen right

[sandy]

"Just the facts maam"  I have a 98 Valk and an '05 wing. AZ emission tests bike annually. Here's the last test results.
Valk= 0.5 % CO and 674 PPM Hydrocarbons
Wing= 0.08 % CO and 64 PPM hydrocarbon.

We know which has the more complex systems. The wing is faster and gets better MPG's too. More nimble in the turns too. BUT I love both and the Valk isn't leaving anytime soon. We can have both clean air and performance. Not taking sides here.

[Traveler-MI]

Harley-Davidson:  Nice T Shirts,  Good Boots,  $4000 bike with a $1000000 marketing scheme.

[Tropic traveler]

Quote from the Eagle.
""I gotcha!  Do it any way you want, and screw the common good, screw the community to which you belong.  Is that what you are saying? ""

Yup. It's kinda like bragging about your ample income then refusing to part with a little extra of it at tax time, all the while admonishing others for their cheapness & lack of "community giving" concerning taxes.

I used to think you made some good points Mr. Eagle, but now I know what you really are.
Hollow man... real hollow.  

T.T. I too would respond to W.C. but EVERYTIME I do.. it gets pulled..just dont seen right

I hear ya Superman.
I have read over & over again certain liberal leaning members of this forum jumping all over people for their posts claiming to point out the conservative bias or hypocrisy. While sometimes these guys do have a point I just cannot help but notice a very similar bias or hypocrisy coming from their own left leaning ways of thinking. 
Nothing new here, it has been going on forever. Difference is I am not the media & I don't remain silent while it happens. I do try to use their own words against them & not get upset or call them names as there isn't really anything to get upset about here anyways. Libs have been twisting the words & putting bad intentions to conservative expressions all the time, again nothing new.
I don't think anything we say here will change their liberal views but eventually the truth will win out.
Hypocrisy is hypocrisy regardless of where it comes from.

As far as the loudmouth know-it-alls from certain regions of the country {the NE }, I have seen gazillions of them come & go around these parts. They amuse me, I just consider the source & move on.   
Make sure you look me up when you get down this way Tom!     

[Walküre]

Libs have been twisting the words & putting bad intentions to conservative expressions all the time, again nothing new.

Yup, like this. Make sure you take care of the richest in America, and they'll take care of you....well, maybe if you are a foreigner, working for peanuts...



The tax cuts didn't provide any jobs, or we wouldn't be at the unemployment rate we're at - however, it DID give companies record profits....

Geez...

R

[Clark]

I for one hope that day is averted by changing our government.  We are most certainely loosing so many freedoms, and one freedom that is in jeopardy is the freedom of motorcycling on a machine built the way you like

I gotcha!  Do it any way you want, and screw the common good, screw the community to which you belong.  Is that what you are saying?
 
The world is evermore complex.  We live with our neighbors in evermore complex situations.  Straight pipes no longer cut it.  A motorcycle that puts out 20 to 30 times the emissions of a modern automobile no longer cuts it.
 
It's life.  The world is finite and becoming more so everyday.

PS:  It's 'losing', not 'loosing'.

PSS.. its GOTCHYA...NOT GOTCHA... jus sayin

[Clark]

Quote from the Eagle.
""I gotcha!  Do it any way you want, and screw the common good, screw the community to which you belong.  Is that what you are saying? ""

Yup. It's kinda like bragging about your ample income then refusing to part with a little extra of it at tax time, all the while admonishing others for their cheapness & lack of "community giving" concerning taxes.

I used to think you made some good points Mr. Eagle, but now I know what you really are.
Hollow man... real hollow.  

T.T. I too would respond to W.C. but EVERYTIME I do.. it gets pulled..just dont seen right

I hear ya Superman.
I have read over & over again certain liberal leaning members of this forum jumping all over people for their posts claiming to point out the conservative bias or hypocrisy. While sometimes these guys do have a point I just cannot help but notice a very similar bias or hypocrisy coming from their own left leaning ways of thinking. 
Nothing new here, it has been going on forever. Difference is I am not the media & I don't remain silent while it happens. I do try to use their own words against them & not get upset or call them names as there isn't really anything to get upset about here anyways. Libs have been twisting the words & putting bad intentions to conservative expressions all the time, again nothing new.
I don't think anything we say here will change their liberal views but eventually the truth will win out.
Hypocrisy is hypocrisy regardless of where it comes from.

As far as the loudmouth know-it-alls from certain regions of the country {the NE }, I have seen gazillions of them come & go around these parts. They amuse me, I just consider the source & move on.   
Make sure you look me up when you get down this way Tom!     

will do TT.. bout time for my daytona fix

[Walküre]

PSS.. its GOTCHYA...NOT GOTCHA... jus sayin

It is "gotcha", as indicated below:

description of "gotcha"

NOT, "gotchya"...pay attention to the description:

Description of "gotchya"


Roger

[Art708]

 
  My vote is for "gotcha"

[The Anvil]

It's "gotcha". I've never heard or seen "gotchya".

[solo1]

I never thought that my thread would run all the way from the price of Harleys to the spelling and definition of gotcha,

Maybe we should be doing more riding.  I just got back from one.  

[f6john]

I never thought that my thread would run all the way from the price of Harleys to the spelling and definition of gotcha,

Maybe we should be doing more riding.  I just got back from one.  

  I was about to post the very same thought. Wow, what one guy can do to a thread.

[The Anvil]

I never thought that my thread would run all the way from the price of Harleys to the spelling and definition of gotcha,

Maybe we should be doing more riding.  I just got back from one.  

The "fukawe tribe" at your service.

[solo1]

K.M.A   ........................Keep Me Advised

[Walküre]

Harley-Davidson:  Nice T Shirts,  Good Boots,  $4000 bike with a $1000000 marketing scheme.

And getting worse, it appears - I walked into our local HD dealer, where you USED to be able to walk right into the shop, from the front doors, alongside all the "chrome goodies". Now, you walk in, and it's a clothing boutique. And, you go in the next room, and it's a "chrome boutique". The shop is now very small, wonder if that's because they are more dependable, now, or whether the bucks are all in the attire and bike jewelry, instead of making them run. Or, maybe it's because every used bike in there, had under 10,000 miles, most had under 5,000. The HD owners, I grew up with, were on the bike, ALL the time. Now, it's really a rare day, that the 5 or so owners at work, ride them at all. With the exception of one, and he's ALWAYS on it! My kinda guy - often it's just the two of us, but there are a couple Wing riders, that ride pretty consistently.

I never cease to be amazed, at how many HD owners, are 45+ years old, and this is their FIRST motorcycle. And, will possibly be their last. I often wonder how many Valk owners there are, that the Valk is their first bike.

R

[Bob E.]

I never thought that my thread would run all the way from the price of Harleys to the spelling and definition of gotcha,

Maybe we should be doing more riding.  I just got back from one.  

Yeah...see what you started??  

[Clark]

It's "gotcha". I've never heard or seen "gotchya".

WELL ..since this thread has gone to he!! anyway I GOTTA say.. the dude from wikpeedia and you followers must be democrats.. expecting someone else to do the work for you.. so i will oblige.. sound it out.. GOT CH A.... or got chya.. ya ya ya   wth is an A??  WHERASS YA MEANS YA...DUH

[Walküre]

It's "gotcha". I've never heard or seen "gotchya".

WELL ..since this thread has gone to he!! anyway I GOTTA say.. the dude from wikpeedia and you followers must be democrats.. expecting someone else to do the work for you.. so i will oblige.. sound it out.. GOT CH A.... or got chya.. ya ya ya   wth is an A??  WHERASS YA MEANS YA...DUH

Or maybe the "other side of the aisle", and make it up as you go, right or wrong?? Then criticize others, because they don't adhere to YOUR perceptions? Seems that's how we got into Iraq...

Nah, don't think so...

R

[RoadKill]

Harley-Davidson:  Nice T Shirts,  Good Boots,  $4000 bike with a $1000000 marketing scheme.

And getting worse, it appears - I walked into our local HD dealer, where you USED to be able to walk right into the shop, from the front doors, alongside all the "chrome goodies". Now, you walk in, and it's a clothing boutique. And, you go in the next room, and it's a "chrome boutique". The shop is now very small, wonder if that's because they are more dependable, now, or whether the bucks are all in the attire and bike jewelry, instead of making them run. Or, maybe it's because every used bike in there, had under 10,000 miles, most had under 5,000. The HD owners, I grew up with, were on the bike, ALL the time. Now, it's really a rare day, that the 5 or so owners at work, ride them at all. With the exception of one, and he's ALWAYS on it! My kinda guy - often it's just the two of us, but there are a couple Wing riders, that ride pretty consistently.

I never cease to be amazed, at how many HD owners, are 45+ years old, and this is their FIRST motorcycle. And, will possibly be their last. I often wonder how many Valk owners there are, that the Valk is their first bike.

R

The HD dealer in Sturgis S.D. does not stock service parts (just chrome add ons),has no service dept. and does not sell bikes.  So I went to the Kawasaki,suzuki and BMW dealer in town and bought a used Valkyrie! 

[Clark]

It's "gotcha". I've never heard or seen "gotchya".

WELL ..since this thread has gone to he!! anyway I GOTTA say.. the dude from wikpeedia and you followers must be democrats.. expecting someone else to do the work for you.. so i will oblige.. sound it out.. GOT CH A.... or got chya.. ya ya ya   wth is an A??  WHERASS YA MEANS YA...DUH

Or maybe the "other side of the aisle", and make it up as you go, right or wrong?? Then criticize others, because they don't adhere to YOUR perceptions? Seems that's how we got into Iraq...

Nah, don't think so...

R

HA HA.. DO A..or I mean YA MEAN LIKE YER PRESIDENT DOES

[Walküre]

The HD dealer in Sturgis S.D. does not stock service parts (just chrome add ons),has no service dept. and does not sell bikes.  So I went to the Kawasaki,suzuki and BMW dealer in town and bought a used Valkyrie! 

Excellent! Our dealer deals with all sorts of bikes, also. I haven't had anything done by them, since I had them go through the carbs on a '77 1000 Wing almost 15 years ago, but have not heard any bad things about them. But, I don't get around other bike owners much, either. I'm sure EVERY dealer has at least a few horror stories. I do know that they stock very little, except helmets, but can get anything, and have worked with me on the prices. I just do all my own servicing, and I get the impression that a large majority of Valk owners, do the same. I think that's why we are seeing them with 300,000 miles on them!

I sat on a Valkyrie, when I bought my '86 1200 Wing, around 2000. Just couldn't afford a new bike, at the time, but fell in love with it. Finally got one last year. I've probably owned 20 bikes, of all kinds, and so far, it's the most fun! Plus, for the type of riding I do NOW, it's the best. I've got just shy of 5,000 miles, since I bought it, and almost to the point that I want to be at - have to install the forward controls, and the cruise, plus paint the bags, and I'll be content........at least, for a while!!  

R

[Hoser]

PSS.. its GOTCHYA...NOT GOTCHA... jus sayin

It is "gotcha", as indicated below:

description of "gotcha"

NOT, "gotchya"...pay attention to the description:

Description of "gotchya"


Roger

Damn, Clark, I guess us conservatives don't get nuthin right!  Or should I have said nuthun? Enlighten me Val.      Hoser

[Traveler-MI]

Just don't spell it Amerika

[fudgie]

The HD dealer in Sturgis S.D. does not stock service parts (just chrome add ons),has no service dept. and does not sell bikes.  So I went to the Kawasaki,suzuki and BMW dealer in town and bought a used Valkyrie! 

Much like any other dealer in the B'Hills. Sturgis, Deadwood, Hill City, and maybe even Black Hills HD in Rapid. Walked in all of them last year. All clothing. BH was doing service work but i walked in to look at bikes. None.

[RoadKill]

The HD dealer in Sturgis S.D. does not stock service parts (just chrome add ons),has no service dept. and does not sell bikes.  So I went to the Kawasaki,suzuki and BMW dealer in town and bought a used Valkyrie! 

Much like any other dealer in the B'Hills. Sturgis, Deadwood, Hill City, and maybe even Black Hills HD in Rapid. Walked in all of them last year. All clothing. BH was doing service work but i walked in to look at bikes. None.

Rapid city is A full on dealer but they are so full of themselves they think their crap smells like roses and money. Probably because the line at the counter to buy chrome and leather is 3-4 hrs long during the rally. Long story, but I wouldnt stop to piss in their showroom and last time I was there I was on a valk I had owned for 30min. and just stopped in to give a few people the finger.