TEOTWAWKI firearm question

[KW]

What’s everyone’s (who are interested in such things) view on having a high-powered, scoped rife as part of your TEOTWAWKI arsenal? I’m talking about a rifle singularly purposed for long range shooting. Is it truly a necessity? In other words; a need or a want? 

[Jess Tolbirt]

250-3000 savage quick take down barrel, with high powered scope good at least for 5200 feet...also about 2000 rounds of ammo,, that does it for me,,,

[czuch]

When ya gotta reach out and touch someone........

[The Anvil]

I don't hunt so I have no practical use for a scoped rifle and really, I don't care all that much for shooting them. I like iron sights, more of a challenge. Though I did shoot an AR with an ACOG a little while back that I really liked.

[Ferris Leets]

250-3000 savage quick take down barrel, with high powered scope good at least for 5200 feet...also about 2000 rounds of ammo,, that does it for me,,,

That must be one long barreled and heavily loaded gun!!!  A mile from a 250-3000?

[JimC]

First off, I am not one to thinks that our world will be absolutely changed for the worse, but I do believe that we are in for some very challenging times if the stock market collapses and we enter or begin to experience hyper inflation, or the entitlement programs begin to get phased out,  or just cut back. Just think what would happen in the major cities if there was not any food on the grocery store shelves for a week or ten days.

We all have a different idea of what will happen at TEOTWAWKI (which stands for== the end of the world as we know it ==for those that could not figure it out) 

I read a very interesting blog about what happened in Argentina during their economic collapse, and I think we would have similar problems, with differences that will be distinct to our society. Read through the blog link below, I think it will open your eyes to what happened there, and I for one can relate some of those issues to what will happen here IF WE GET TO THAT POINT.

Part of the blog has very sensible idea's about weapons that come in handy during such an event.

http://www.survival-spot.com/survival-blog/argentina-collapse/#3

Jim

[SCain]

250-3000 savage quick take down barrel, with high powered scope good at least for 5200 feet...also about 2000 rounds of ammo,, that does it for me,,,

I've got a 250-3000 Savage with scope, I believe its a model 99E, lever action. Had it for over 40 years, great shooting gun. Don't have that much ammo though.

[Jess Tolbirt]

250-3000 savage quick take down barrel, with high powered scope good at least for 5200 feet...also about 2000 rounds of ammo,, that does it for me,,,

I've got a 250-3000 Savage with scope, I believe its a model 99E, lever action. Had it for over 40 years, great shooting gun. Don't have that much ammo though.

this one is a bolt action made in the early 1900's,,,only shot it once,,thats enough for shoulder power,,

[RoadKill]

First off, I am not one to thinks that our world will be absolutely changed for the worse, but I do believe that we are in for some very challenging times if the stock market collapses and we enter or begin to experience hyper inflation, or the entitlement programs begin to get phased out,  or just cut back. Just think what would happen in the major cities if there was not any food on the grocery store shelves for a week or ten days.

We all have a different idea of what will happen at TEOTWAWKI (which stands for== the end of the world as we know it ==for those that could not figure it out) 

I read a very interesting blog about what happened in Argentina during their economic collapse, and I think we would have similar problems, with differences that will be distinct to our society. Read through the blog link below, I think it will open your eyes to what happened there, and I for one can relate some of those issues to what will happen here IF WE GET TO THAT POINT.

Part of the blog has very sensible idea's about weapons that come in handy during such an event.

http://www.survival-spot.com/survival-blog/argentina-collapse/#3

Jim

 

A high power may be useful at first to some and others may wish they had one later. Depends on many variables and I think location (urban/rural ) would be a big factor as well as terrain and how much Gov't/police presence there is. I think things will change rapidly and having one available, even if stored/hidden from time to time, would be advisable. Hone your skills with one now because there wont be any sighting in and practice ammo when you need one.

[Michvalk]

375 mag Winchester Mod 94/Scope. Do all I need

[RoadKill]

375 mag Winchester Mod 94/Scope. Do all I need

Great choice !   But it doesnt hide under your T-shirt very well 

[Master Blaster]

For when the SHTF situations I want to have a couple in very common and plentiful calibres.  308, 30-06, 22, rifles that ammo wont be hard to come by.  Pistols would be 22, 9mm, 45 ACP, for same reason, and also having a reload setup for most of your arms would be smart.  Now to reach out and touch someone, I do have a 300 Weatherby Mag, but it is very expensive to shoot.  Actually for the ranges you are apt to need, the 308 or 30-06 is probably ideal.  Now something to sling a lot of rounds reliably, spray and pray, an AK is a good choice, the weapon is reasonable priced, and the ammo is cheap and plentiful.  I have an AR in 308, a Mac 11 in 9mm, an AK and a Draco.  Also for self home defense dont over look the scatterguns.  Hard to beat a Mossburg pump with a slug barrel.  You can go much more exotic, but wont gain much in performance.  I am prettty heavy into 45-70, both long and short guns, but in hard times wouldnt advise them unless you reloaded.  Would love to own a 50 cal, but couldnt justify the expense over what I already have.   The newer and more exotic cals are great, but long term you may have a problem keeping them fed.

[RoadKill]

For when the SHTF situations I want to have a couple in very common and plentiful calibres.  308, 30-06, 22, rifles that ammo wont be hard to come by.  Pistols would be 22, 9mm, 45 ACP, for same reason, and also having a reload setup for most of your arms would be smart.  Now to reach out and touch someone, I do have a 300 Weatherby Mag, but it is very expensive to shoot.  Actually for the ranges you are apt to need, the 308 or 30-06 is probably ideal.  Now something to sling a lot of rounds reliably, spray and pray, an AK is a good choice, the weapon is reasonable priced, and the ammo is cheap and plentiful.  I have an AR in 308, a Mac 11 in 9mm, an AK and a Draco.  Also for self home defense dont over look the scatterguns.  Hard to beat a Mossburg pump with a slug barrel.  You can go much more exotic, but wont gain much in performance.  I am prettty heavy into 45-70, both long and short guns, but in hard times wouldnt advise them unless you reloaded.  Would love to own a 50 cal, but couldnt justify the expense over what I already have.   The newer and more exotic cals are great, but long term you may have a problem keeping them fed.

BMG will be more available than 300 wtby and then you can stop angry dumptrucks and bulldozers from charging 

[Psychotic Bovine]

My Davide Pedersoli Sharps in .45-70 will stop angry buffalo.  If one were to encounter said creature.

[Gear Jammer]

I don't hunt so I have no practical use for a scoped rifle and really, I don't care all that much for shooting them. I like iron sights, more of a challenge. Though I did shoot an AR with an ACOG a little while back that I really liked.

Hunt?     Maybe I'm offtrack here, but I inferred a need for a use other than providing food. 

[BigAl]

Leadership Skills will be more handy if it all comes falling down.

You will not and can not make it alone.

So no matter your arsenal, one man will not stand a chance.

But by all means build up your arsenal, I might have need of you as a good marksman.

This board could proabably put afield a good small army and we would make it.

AL

Bush Master .223 with Iron Sights or Peepers I guess would do for me.

[RoadKill]

Leadership Skills will be more handy if it all comes falling down.

You will not and can not make it alone.

So no matter your arsenal, one man will not stand a chance.

But by all means build up your arsenal, I might have need of you as a good marksman.

This board could proabably put afield a good small army and we would make it.

AL

Bush Master .223 with Iron Sights or Peepers I guess would do for me.

Valid point. Get to know your neighbors,ALL OF THEM,because some may stay and others MUST go

[KW]

A little off track, but I like most of the comments. . . .

Maybe I shared these before, but two of the stories I use to illustrate how a group (gang) mentality can overtake and pound into the sand reason, logic and any sense of goodwill & community occurred on 911 and during a particularly BAD storm.

The night of 911 there was a massive run on all the gas stations in my small town and surrounding area. Granted, there are only 7 stations, but six of them ran out of gas and most foodstuffs.  The lines ran along side the highway and streets for miles. . . people were shouting and cursing, even threatening. It was crazy! One station is just 2 miles up the road from me. My good friend and close neighbor called me and shouted; “Quick! You better hurry up and fill up all your tanks because there won’t be any more gas!”  Understand, this is an intelligent, reasonable man, but on his way home from work that fateful afternoon, he passed the station in question, saw the lines, and panicked! Unbelievable. . . . 

The other example was a few years ago when my part of Michigan got hammered with severe thunder storms and several tornados. It wasn’t all that unusual, but the twisters did cut a pretty good path AND power was out for days and days. Some areas it was over a week. The stores were swamped and the shelves were picked clean. . . of everything!  In fact, from what I heard from employees and a couple of LEO’s, the entire stores were EMPTIED of everything from flashlights to bottled water to baby food to dog food. There were numerous fistfights reported and it complete chaos!

So, the question is; how will people behave when it’s REALLY serious AND long-lasting? 

[Serk]

Never know where good and wise quotes might come from... This one's from the British sci-fi comedy classic Red Dwarf:

"They say that every society is only three meals away from revolution. Deprive a culture of food for three meals, and you'll have anarchy."

Oh, and my "Excrement has hit the rotating air moving device" go to gun would be a DPMS LR-308... AR-10 style rifle, very accurate, and nice take down round in the .308, plus you've got 19 of 'em before you've gotta change mags...

If given the option, I'd have my bolt action 7mm Rem Mag along for the ride too... And my........... well, I could go on for quite a while...

[Highbinder]

If you start shooting at people from 300 yds away, how do you know who they are or what their intent is? Sounds like a sure way to end up in jail...regardless of what happens all law and order will not break down...medium range rifles would do you just fine.....I agree with Al a .223 has plenty of range and in a AK model plenty of firepower...I also agree with Mad Sixgun, I too favor a 45-70, I've shot many of groundhogs at 200 yds with it and will knock a armored man off his feet...close range shooting a Saiga 12 gauge with a drum clip of 20 rounds will deter anyone....as someone else once said pistols are for fighting your way back to your rifle.....the best defense is to not be there when those that wish to do harm to you arrive....have a plan...

[RoadKill]

If you start shooting at people from 300 yds away, how do you know who they are or what their intent is? Sounds like a sure way to end up in jail...regardless of what happens all law and order will not break down...medium range rifles would do you just fine.....I agree with Al a .223 has plenty of range and in a AK model plenty of firepower...I also agree with Mad Sixgun, I too favor a 45-70, I've shot many of groundhogs at 200 yds with it and will knock a armored man off his feet...close range shooting a Saiga 12 gauge with a drum clip of 20 rounds will deter anyone....as someone else once said pistols are for fighting your way back to your rifle.....the best defense is to not be there when those that wish to do harm to arrive....have a plan...

If I shoot 6ft in front of them at 300+ yrds I will know what their intent is...to move the other direction! as far as who they are, I doubt I would much care to know ifn I sees a need to give away my position and firepower like that.   

[Highbinder]

If I shoot 6ft in front of them at 300+ yrds I will know what their intent is...to move the other direction! as far as who they are, I doubt I would much care to know ifn I sees a need to give away my position and firepower like that.   

What a great reply.....very unique perspective....

[tank_post142]

 weapon of choice would be a early 50's bolt action winchester in .308/30-06 . when i shoot i want to kill my target not wound it. modern military rounds are designed to wound thereby tying up 3-4 people, it's a numbers game.
 that being said i own an M82-A1 in .50 BMG im happy with my pie tin pattern at 600 yrds. >50  should be readily available if things get rough. of course the 600 rnds i have left should last quite some time if not tgt shooting.

[RoadKill]

weapon of choice would be a early 50's bolt action winchester in .308/30-06 . when i shoot i want to kill my target not wound it. modern military rounds are designed to wound thereby tying up 3-4 people, it's a numbers game.
 that being said i own an M82-A1 in .50 BMG im happy with my pie tin pattern at 600 yrds. >50  should be readily available if things get rough. of course the 600 rnds i have left should last quite some time if not tgt shooting.

API is wasted on personnel as well as paper !  

[tank_post142]

sure makes a mess of a BMP ! 

[Varmintmist]

Valid point. Get to know your neighbors,ALL OF THEM,because some may stay and others MUST go

Yep, the overpaid, over educated one is getting eaten when the zombie apocalypse comes. Anyone that cant do basic things on the "Things you need to know to be a man" list, I am going to eat, because they would be a drain on any society that required executing basic functions with common sense.

[RoadKill]

sure makes a mess of a BMP ! 

Or a blue helmet !