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Bobbo
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« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2011, 01:14:51 PM »

supersede is the wrong term to use

Maybe I should have said a combination of supersede and supplement.
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« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2011, 01:32:24 PM »

supersede is the wrong term to use
Maybe I should have said a combination of supersede and supplement.

Definitely not supplement.  We use the term fulfill.

I would definitely consider the Christian's understanding of the New Testament to be more important than his understanding of the Old Testament, but not to the point of diminishing the value of the Old Testament.  That said, I am a fundamentalist and as such believe that both Old and New Testaments are inspired of God.

Truthfully when one discusses what Christians believe or what Muslims believe or what Jews believe, one should keep in mind that no one of those three is monolithic and hence even the most studied can make few accurate claims as to the beliefs of all followers of any one of them.
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« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2011, 02:03:04 PM »

supersede is the wrong term to use
Maybe I should have said a combination of supersede and supplement.

Definitely not supplement.  We use the term fulfill.

I would definitely consider the Christian's understanding of the New Testament to be more important than his understanding of the Old Testament, but not to the point of diminishing the value of the Old Testament.  That said, I am a fundamentalist and as such believe that both Old and New Testaments are inspired of God.

Truthfully when one discusses what Christians believe or what Muslims believe or what Jews believe, one should keep in mind that no one of those three is monolithic and hence even the most studied can make few accurate claims as to the beliefs of all followers of any one of them.


I can see the Christian description as fulfill, since it strongly suggests finality.  I still believe supersede and supplement have a place too, since the New Testament replaces the old rituals with faith and following of Jesus, and added some new rules for behavior.

I agree that these discussions only cover generally accepted beliefs, and that individuals have their own interpretation of whatever religion they follow.
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« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2011, 02:50:53 PM »

Sometimes I add humour that I know only a few people will notice or appreciate.  Sometimes I overestimate my readers.  Other times I overestimate the appreciation of my facetiae.

Dang Griff! I had to Google that.    ???
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« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2011, 06:37:29 PM »

Generic "non-Westerners" are all Muslims?   ???   Roll Eyes

Oh, yes, and right-wing conservative newsletters from Brussels and Israel are going to make sure the story is correct?   2funny

You won't hear it here due to the "Vast left-wing socialist, liberal, pinko, commie, America hatin'" media!   2funny


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« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2011, 09:17:15 AM »

The ignore option is your friend. I simply don't have enough faith for everyone I meet and find no use in talking to those who seem filled with hate, lies and distortion. I believe in casting out evil, vile and demonic spirits. I don't  talk to, negotiate or debate with them.

But there is a day coming where every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Thankfully we get to choose if that's before or after our physical death on earth.

The New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old Testament. Oh, and the 144,000 referenced in The Revelation of John are Jewish evangelists that will reep a harvest of new christians in a magnitude yet unseen in the world. Life is good, life is good indeed.

All the best,

Mark


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« Reply #46 on: August 29, 2011, 04:31:30 AM »

To hate people and love god often seems to be the sum of ALL creeds... Is it human nature? Undecided

Indeed, it is the certainty that they possess the truth, which makes people cruel. Especially board people whose lives find meaning
behind a computer screen... garbage in, garbage out...

In my observation. with or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion; any religion.

While reading these posts, one can safely assume that some have created God in their own image. Especially when it turns out that
God hates all the same people you do. Indeed, our idea of God tells us more about ourselves than about him; her; it? Whatever...

To cheapen the lives of ANY group of people, whether because of their race, religion, political persuasion, etc,
it cheapens the lives of ALL people, even our own.

Constantly Judging others and their life situations prevents us from understanding a new truth.
If we could just free ourselves from the rules of old judgments; we might create the space for new understanding.
However, as humans, the notion that logic cannot satisfy us awakens an almost insatiable hunger for the irrational.

In religion, politics and business, we actively embrace institutionalized rejection of differences...
We do this almost as if it is an absolute necessity in a profit economy, which needs outsiders as surplus people.

One would hope that as we experience truth about who we are and how we behave towards people different that we are,
the madness of finding fault with others might disappear.

In a way, our  world−view is imposed on us most successfully by people incapable of understanding it.
It seems that an unexciting truth may be eclipsed by a thrilling falsehood.

Indeed, I subscribe to the idea that madness is actually a sane reaction to an insane world of our own creation.
For the most part we lack the tolerance for ambiguity.
So, we are compelled to hang on... always diggin' our heels... defending our believes even when our words and thoughts
might border on the absurd.

We pretend to know the daily reality of millions of people half a world away. We then form our own ideas of who they are as individuals.
We tend to believe what we read and hear from others that we trust without question.  We then take that "information"
and use it as a foundation for our believes... and spread it as the gospel truth.

If we think about it, the wisest person still a human, experiences the same fears and anxieties as we all do. albeit about different issues.
They too are limited by their range of exposure to direct and meaningful experiences.

We can curve the tendency to stereotype, but it does not just happens, one most work at it.

Consider that some of us have been exposed to the nonsense that if you are a white person, you must then be a racist.
I know folks who cannot get passed the unsoundness of such conclusions.And as with many of our ideas and stereotypes,
they are incapable to reason otherwise.

As for me, I have actively challenge that "truth." I have made the effort to befriend diverse people. and  have discovered that
white folks are just as diverse individuals as any other group. And as with any other group I have observed a full-range of attitudes
from the sublime to the ridiculous. as each of us have experienced at some point, for sure... crazy2


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« Reply #47 on: August 29, 2011, 05:26:03 AM »

Promote World Peace - Ban all religions  cooldude

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« Reply #48 on: August 29, 2011, 07:08:20 AM »

Promote World Peace - Ban all religions  cooldude



If only you could do it and make it work... But other entities have tried and failed.

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« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2011, 07:21:09 AM »

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While reading these posts, one can safely assume that some have created God in their own image. Especially when it turns out that
God hates all the same people you do. Indeed, our idea of God tells us more about ourselves than about him; her; it? Whatever...
I've stayed out of this thread because I'm ignoring so many of the posers that I don't know
exactly what has/hasn't been discussed. But, for the record, God, the God of the Bible,
doesn't hate anybody....although I'm pretty sure He hasn't invited Satan over for dinner
in quite some time.
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« Reply #50 on: August 29, 2011, 08:10:54 AM »

Paxton,

Thanks for your post. Much in there for thinking folks to ponder... and carefully consider. I hope our paths cross sometime. I'd really enjoy chatting with you face to face. Also, I love the quote you closed with! My own experience in life has shown me there's considerable wisdom in that statement!!!

"Believe those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it."
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« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2011, 05:42:42 PM »

Promote World Peace - Ban all religions  cooldude



re·li·gion   /rɪˈlɪdʒən/  Show Spelled[ri-lij-uhn]  Show IPA
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:

according to the definitions, atheism is a religion, humanism is a religion, environmetalism is a religion, etc., etc., etc.

This is why the founding fathers stated, Our rights and freedoms are God given not man given. The governments of the world over the centuries always try and have in some countries to make themselves out to be god.
taking God and religions out of societies will allow a few powerful people to become gods just like the kings of old did over the people.
If one knows their history they will see the error in the statement "ban all religions" for by definition there will always be some type of a religion.
Although in the Book of Revelations, one world wide religion does come into existance which allows a one world dictator to come into power. And if people do not follow him, they will be beheaded.
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« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2011, 05:50:19 PM »

according to the definitions, atheism is a religion,

They get soooooo mad when you tell them that!  2funny
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« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2011, 08:33:44 PM »

Anvil,

     You're right, it's an great and truthful way to really tork off the atheists. Theirs is a 'religion' of deception and idolatry. Told ya life is good.  cooldude

Mark
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« Reply #54 on: August 30, 2011, 09:43:36 PM »

Anvil,

     You're right, it's an great and truthful way to really tork off the atheists. Theirs is a 'religion' of deception and idolatry. Told ya life is good.  cooldude

Mark


I don't really use the term "religion" to describe most atheists only because they typically don't function that way, but I do tell them that they practice a faith. That pisses them off just as much.

I'm talking about the real atheists too, the assertive ones who are insistent on death as the end and that there is absolutely no god because they say so.
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« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2011, 12:00:55 AM »

Anvil,

     You're right, it's an great and truthful way to really tork off the atheists. Theirs is a 'religion' of deception and idolatry. Told ya life is good.  cooldude

Mark


That's pretty nonsensical.
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« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2011, 06:52:35 AM »

Promote World Peace - Ban all religions  cooldude



re·li·gion   /rɪˈlɪdʒən/  Show Spelled[ri-lij-uhn]  Show IPA
noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices:

according to the definitions, atheism is a religion, humanism is a religion, environmetalism is a religion, etc., etc., etc.

This is why the founding fathers stated, Our rights and freedoms are God given not man given. The governments of the world over the centuries always try and have in some countries to make themselves out to be god.
taking God and religions out of societies will allow a few powerful people to become gods just like the kings of old did over the people.
If one knows their history they will see the error in the statement "ban all religions" for by definition there will always be some type of a religion.
Although in the Book of Revelations, one world wide religion does come into existance which allows a one world dictator to come into power. And if people do not follow him, they will be beheaded.


WOW .... I was being somewhat facetious with my remark - you guys take this religion thing way too serious (along with politics) .... lets RIDE !!

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