What Rages in Vegas doesn't stay in Vegas.

[DFragn]

Hmmm, wonder what started this.

VEGAS ROAD RAGE	powered by Aeva

[fordmano]

Don't really care who started it, that is F'd UP to cause a wreck and then run off...


I just had a small hit and run last week, jerk rear ended me we got out he asked you want to use insurance I said ye he said OK then we both went to our cars to get info and pen paper when I stood back up the SOB was gone.....

Now I am out $500 for my insurance deductible. Not covered under UN-insured motorist due to not having any other motorist???

Oh well.

[Walküre]

I just had a small hit and run last week, jerk rear ended me we got out he asked you want to use insurance I said ye he said OK then we both went to our cars to get info and pen paper when I stood back up the SOB was gone.....

Believe me, happening more and more, perhaps as a result of our economy, people not having insurance. Note to self - immediately, upon accident, take out cell phone, take picture of rear of other vehicle, paying close attention to license plate...

then, go from there...

R

[RoadKill]

Tail gating an 3000lb car on a 700lb bike (AFTER calling the driver a *$%^#$  )........How SMART is that?   ???

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Tail gating an 3000lb car on a 700lb bike (AFTER calling the driver a *$%^#$  )........How SMART is that?   ???

+ a gazillion. Guy set himslef up for the fall.

That's why you NEVER ride close to any vehicle in front of you.

[Titan]

Temper can get you into a whole lot of trouble. It can even get you dead!

I know exactly what road rage feels like but I hope I stay smart enough to never engage in an incident when I'm on a motorcycle vs a car. That is scraping the absolute bottom of stupidity.

Fordmano said... it was wrong for anybody to cause and accident and then run off. Under normal circumstances I would fully agree. In the incident shown in this video I think he did the smart thing. But I do think he should have called the police and reported it as soon as he got away from the biker. The biker was as much at fault as the car driver since he was riding his bumper and continuing to antagonize the situation. That fall was all on him. If the driver had stopped that could, and probably would, have deteriorated into something way more serious.

[SANDMAN5]

Probably started out as a discussion about car tires on a motersickle.

[KY,Dave (AKA Misunderstood)]

Probably started out as a discussion about car tires on a motersickle.

 

[VALKIFIED]

Tail gating an 3000lb car on a 700lb bike (AFTER calling the driver a *$%^#$  )........How SMART is that?   ???

+1

[Titan]

Probably started out as a discussion about car tires on a motersickle.

[Westernbiker]

The car driver pushed the motorcycle rider.....if that were me, it would not have come out the way the video shows.

[Bigdog]

Probably started out as a discussion about car tires on a motersickle.

Now thats funny right there........

[SANDMAN5]

The car driver pushed the motorcycle rider.....if that were me, it would not have come out the way the video shows.

Me too also...but we don't know what happened before that. Maybe he was
trying to avoid assault charges?

[Bobbo]

The car driver pushed the motorcycle rider.....if that were me, it would not have come out the way the video shows.

Keyboard bravado aside, you will notice the biker approached the car driver and was in his face.  That is a sign of aggression, and the push was appropriate.  Since we don't know what happened before the video started, it's hard to say who was in the right or wrong, or both wrong.  I can see the biker had little control of the bike as he "dog paddled" it to get going, then had no reaction time when the idiot driver tagged his brakes.  

[czuch]

I love it when these NASCAR trained drivers follow so close.
 I got a pinhead inna newer Vette off my tail with a few sharp stops in my POS that way.
From the way the bike guy went back after the push it must have been quite a push.
Bout that time, its time to let it go.
 The cops will do more for your interests with a phone call, or would indict you first by virtue of vehicle.
With the Police presence on the strip I'm surprised there wasnt one there already.

[fiddle mike]

I'm guessing  loud pipes were disturbing a phone call.

[¿spoom]

I know we're all supposed to automatically support the rider, but I have a hard time with that here. Rider was a doofus and tempers were high. Don't tailgate someone to "teach 'em a lesson", especially when ya know he's po'd at you already. Having the guy jam on the brakes at 5mph tops may have saved the rider's life. Now he won't be tempted to do it at 50mph.

[PAVALKER]

The car driver pushed the motorcycle rider.....if that were me, it would not have come out the way the video shows.

Keyboard bravado aside, you will notice the biker approached the car driver and was in his face.  That is a sign of aggression, and the push was appropriate.  Since we don't know what happened before the video started, it's hard to say who was in the right or wrong, or both wrong.  I can see the biker had little control of the bike as he "dog paddled" it to get going, then had no reaction time when the idiot driver tagged his brakes.  

I beg to differ with your observation... as you said "since we don't know what happened before the video started" it is hard to know who was right or wrong and therefore the "forceful" push may not have been appropriate. Calmly walking back to talk to a driver that is already out of his car isn't an act of aggression.  And, from my viewing of the video, the biker was stationary at the front of the car at the beginning of the video and the car driver was moving forward or took a big step toward the biker and then pushed the biker.... and that was the sign of aggression IMO. The car could have bumped the bike and he went back to talk with the driver about it.  But... we will never know what the initial cause of this conflict was (unfortunately).  But the only act of aggression was on the part of the car driver IMO. I do agree that the biker should not have tailgated the car... that was his act of stupidity, and can only speculate it was an attempted payback for being tailgated or bumped himself (but can't be sure since we didn't see that).   Look at the video again.

And what was the biker doing when he walked to the right front side of his bike and it looks as tho he slapped his hand down on a peg or something?  Anybody???

[Mr Steve]

The car driver pushed the motorcycle rider.....if that were me, it would not have come out the way the video shows.

Me too also...but we don't know what happened before that. Maybe he was
trying to avoid assault charges?

The push was an assault.

[ValkFlyer]

Check out bottom right end of the screen 31 seconds in to it.    ?

[DFragn]

How 'bout that. I never saw the cop.

Wonder what the rider had in his right hand? He seems to have wrapped it's strap around his wrist. I'm guessing that's why the driver pushed him away.
Then the rider stuffed it under his ass before pulling away.

[PAVALKER]

How 'bout that. I never saw the cop.

Wonder what the rider had in his right hand? He seems to have wrapped it's strap around his wrist. I'm guessing that's why the driver pushed him away.
Then the rider stuffed it under his ass before pulling away.

I didn't notice the cop before either, but was trying to focus on what he was doing when he walked to the right side of his bike and slap something down (or on?).  I still can't tell what he did.... but I did notice what appeared to be a wrapping around the wrist a bit earlier.   

[RudyF6]

I'm guessing  loud pipes were disturbing a phone call.

 

[HayHauler]

I'm guessing  loud pipes were disturbing a phone call.

 

I bet the biker was using Golden State motor oil in that bike!
 
Hay
Jimmyt

[fudgie]

I'da pounded his face with the helmet. But since I dont wear one, I'd have to pull my 40. 

[Bobbo]

The car driver pushed the motorcycle rider.....if that were me, it would not have come out the way the video shows.

Keyboard bravado aside, you will notice the biker approached the car driver and was in his face.  That is a sign of aggression, and the push was appropriate.  Since we don't know what happened before the video started, it's hard to say who was in the right or wrong, or both wrong.  I can see the biker had little control of the bike as he "dog paddled" it to get going, then had no reaction time when the idiot driver tagged his brakes.  

I beg to differ with your observation... as you said "since we don't know what happened before the video started" it is hard to know who was right or wrong and therefore the "forceful" push may not have been appropriate. Calmly walking back to talk to a driver that is already out of his car isn't an act of aggression.  And, from my viewing of the video, the biker was stationary at the front of the car at the beginning of the video and the car driver was moving forward or took a big step toward the biker and then pushed the biker.... and that was the sign of aggression IMO. The car could have bumped the bike and he went back to talk with the driver about it.  But... we will never know what the initial cause of this conflict was (unfortunately).  But the only act of aggression was on the part of the car driver IMO. I do agree that the biker should not have tailgated the car... that was his act of stupidity, and can only speculate it was an attempted payback for being tailgated or bumped himself (but can't be sure since we didn't see that).   Look at the video again.

And what was the biker doing when he walked to the right front side of his bike and it looks as tho he slapped his hand down on a peg or something?  Anybody???

From my observation, the biker was in mid-stride when pushed, which explains why he was so off balance he had to take quite a few steps back to keep from falling.  He then fiddles with something like a belt, as if to prepare to use it as a weapon.  The car driver's gestures strongly suggest he is telling the biker to get away, so it is doubtful that he was the aggressor.

Your scenario suggests the car driver bumped the biker, then got out and pushed the biker as he went back to calmly talk about the incident.  If the driver's intent was to attack the biker, why did he not finish the job?  Why did he get in his car and leave if he were the aggressor?  I'm thinking that scenario is extremely unlikely.

[PAVALKER]

The car driver pushed the motorcycle rider.....if that were me, it would not have come out the way the video shows.

Keyboard bravado aside, you will notice the biker approached the car driver and was in his face.  That is a sign of aggression, and the push was appropriate.  Since we don't know what happened before the video started, it's hard to say who was in the right or wrong, or both wrong.  I can see the biker had little control of the bike as he "dog paddled" it to get going, then had no reaction time when the idiot driver tagged his brakes.  

I beg to differ with your observation... as you said "since we don't know what happened before the video started" it is hard to know who was right or wrong and therefore the "forceful" push may not have been appropriate. Calmly walking back to talk to a driver that is already out of his car isn't an act of aggression.  And, from my viewing of the video, the biker was stationary at the front of the car at the beginning of the video and the car driver was moving forward or took a big step toward the biker and then pushed the biker.... and that was the sign of aggression IMO. The car could have bumped the bike and he went back to talk with the driver about it.  But... we will never know what the initial cause of this conflict was (unfortunately).  But the only act of aggression was on the part of the car driver IMO. I do agree that the biker should not have tailgated the car... that was his act of stupidity, and can only speculate it was an attempted payback for being tailgated or bumped himself (but can't be sure since we didn't see that).   Look at the video again.

And what was the biker doing when he walked to the right front side of his bike and it looks as tho he slapped his hand down on a peg or something?  Anybody???

From my observation, the biker was in mid-stride when pushed, which explains why he was so off balance he had to take quite a few steps back to keep from falling.  He then fiddles with something like a belt, as if to prepare to use it as a weapon.  The car driver's gestures strongly suggest he is telling the biker to get away, so it is doubtful that he was the aggressor.

Your scenario suggests the car driver bumped the biker, then got out and pushed the biker as he went back to calmly talk about the incident.  If the driver's intent was to attack the biker, why did he not finish the job?  Why did he get in his car and leave if he were the aggressor?  I'm thinking that scenario is extremely unlikely.

I watched the video beginning a few times and each time I do not see the biker in any forward movement before the car driver appears to jump or lurch forward at the biker and push.  Not saying he wasn't walking forward toward the car driver, but I did not notice any aggressive forward movement before the driver aggressively lurched at the biker.  From my perspective, the biker appeared to be actually somewhat calm in his demeanor and manner, whereas the car driver was quite visibly the more aggressive one.  The belt or glove removal of the biker was still quite subtle as was the overall movements compared to the car driver... yes I did notice the biker fiddle with something, like taking his gloves off or possibly a belt....

I'm not saying the car driver did bump the biker, as I didn't see that in video, just a speculation of something that could have happened.  He could very well have just been following the biker too closely and the biker "braked" on him like he ultimately did to the biker.... a tit for tat.  However, if I had to determine the aggressor just from watching the video....  I think I would have to say the car driver was more the aggressor.   

We obviously don't see the whole picture as to what happened prior to this and then video edits appear to have occurred as well.  I am curious about what transpired prior to... but we may never know.