Man shoots a grizzly in Idaho to save kids

[bscrive]

I saw this story in the Huffington Post:

'Jeremy Hill of Idaho is facing a trial, after he shot and killed a grizzly bear that came into his yard.

Hill claims that he came into the yard where his children were playing to find three grizzly bears had entered the property. He shot one of the bears, killing it and scaring the others away.

Hill reported the incident to the state authorities, who did not express concern. But federal authorities have charged Hill with killing an endangered species.

The case has stoked passions has attracted many supporters, including Idaho's republican governor Butch Otter. If convicted, Hill could face a year in prison or a $50,000 fine.

Hill's trial is scheduled to begin on October 4th.'

I would have done the same thing.  What is wrong with governments these days.

Brian

[Ferris Leets]

Over reaction, he should have waited until the bear was actually chewing on one of the kids.  Bears just want to have fun, watch any Disney movie for the facts.

[Black Pearl's Captain]

"grizzly bears had entered the property"

What property does the bear get to "own".

Tough subject for sure but perhaps relocation would have worked since the bear wasn't a know attacker (I assume).

Raymond

[Jess from VA]

Right up there with this little story.  (Cut the Fed G in half, now!!)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904787404576530520471223268.html

[Big Rig]

SHould he asked for a back ground check before he shot the bear?

Sorry, better safe the sorry...

as for the g-ment...always sticking their nose where it doesn't below...i do find it funny that they can do that while having their head up their collective arses at the same time...

[Fudd]

It's better to be judged by 12 than have your child carried by 6.

[Bobbo]

With so many unknowns in this story, it's hard to say if this person did the right thing.  Were his children playing in his yard, bears came into his yard near his kids, he was armed and shot the bear?  If that's the case. it seems pretty cut and dried he was defending his kids.

Were his kids outside playing, the bears come into the yard, and he goes inside, gets a firearm, and comes back out to shoot the bear?  That case sounds like parental neglect, and unnecessary shooting of the bear.

Was it, as some other reports indicate, bears coming into the yard to attack the pigs his kids had outside while they were safely inside?  Again, that may be a problem, since he was defending property against a protected animal.

I will be interesting to see if it goes to trial to find out the actual facts.

[fiddle mike]

No bears ever come into my yard.  Can't guess why.

[Black Pearl's Captain]

No bears ever come into my yard.  Can't guess why.

Chubacabras scare them all off down there Mike.

Someday the guy's grandkids can on sit his lap and look at pictures of grizzly's cuz there won't be any left after they're gone cuz they might have hurt someone.

Raymond

[Rams]

Way too many unknowns to make a judgement on this.

One has to assume that the Feds don't think the kids were in any danger.  Since the Grizzly is a protected species and we can make more kids, then obviously the kids are fair game.

I am not against bears in any way, except when they are trying to eat my kids.  I can't make anymore and sure as heck don't want to.

[Ferris Leets]

No bears ever come into my yard.  Can't guess why.

Chubacabras scare them all off down there Mike.

Someday the guy's grandkids can on sit his lap and look at pictures of grizzly's cuz there won't be any left after they're gone cuz they might have hurt someone.

Raymond

I live in bear country and we have a few injuries every year.  If a bear is not afraid enough of humans to stay out of an occupied yard it will be killed.  With no apologies.

[fiddle mike]

I live in bear country and we have a few injuries every year.  If a bear is not afraid enough of humans to stay out of an occupied yard it will be killed.  With no apologies.

You live in bear country.  
People move into bear country, wolf country, panther country, coyote country, then have trouble.  Killing the wild creatures so you can have a view of their home is probably the most selfish thing I can imagine.

Chupacabra moved into people country

[Momz]

Aren't Grizzly Bears on the endangerd species list?

I know for a fact that humans are not on that list; as a matter of fact there seems to be a unexplained population explosion. Consult Nat Geo on that fact.  

[Momz]

Oh, by the way, were the Bears armed?

[flcjr]

I live in griz country not just bear country and there is a big difference between a griz and a black bear and until you have looked them both in the eye in there world you wouldn't understand. The only mistake he made was picking up the phone and not his shovel. I bet he won't make that mistake again. I know there is no shortage of grizzly bears or wolves I bought my LEGAL hunting license to shoot a wolf this fall and would by one for a griz if it were legal. I still would defend myself or anyone else against a bear if I needed to no matter what. Maybe if the wolves were gone (like they use to be) and the fed didn't transplant wolves back here and eat all the elk wich are a food source for the griz they wouldn't be a problem? Infact the species of wolves they transplanted were never native to this area.

[FloridaValkRyder]

I live in griz country not just bear country and there is a big difference between a griz and a black bear and until you have looked them both in the eye in there world you wouldn't understand. The only mistake he made was picking up the phone and not his shovel. I bet he won't make that mistake again. I know there is no shortage of grizzly bears or wolves I bought my LEGAL hunting license to shoot a wolf this fall and would by one for a griz if it were legal. I still would defend myself or anyone else against a bear if I needed to no matter what. Maybe if the wolves were gone (like they use to be) and the fed didn't transplant wolves back here and eat all the elk wich are a food source for the griz they wouldn't be a problem? Infact the species of wolves they transplanted were never native to this area.

+1 +1

[BigAl]

When and if I shoot a bear.

1st Don't tell the authorities.

If someone else knows, tell them if they tell they are next.

Bear meat is pretty good, and butchering it would not be that big a problem.

Again he was trying to tell the authorities that he was haveing a bear problem.

He should have kept the dead bear a secret.

Duh.

Never trust a game warden.

[The Anvil]

I live in bear country and we have a few injuries every year.  If a bear is not afraid enough of humans to stay out of an occupied yard it will be killed.  With no apologies.

You live in bear country.  
People move into bear country, wolf country, panther country, coyote country, then have trouble.  Killing the wild creatures so you can have a view of their home is probably the most selfish thing I can imagine.

Did you hear about that Polar Bear that was killed recently because it killed student in it's territory?

I get shooting a bear that's threatening your kids on your property (although if it was REALLY an imminent threat then those kids probably would be dead already) but this class trip was in the bear's territory and it was just being a bear. That's a bunch of horseshit.

[shortleg]

   A clear case of profileing, we can,t have that.
He shold have also shot some black and poler bares too
                 Shortleg[Dave]

[Big Rig]

Aren't Grizzly Bears on the endangerd species list?

I know for a fact that humans are not on that list; as a matter of fact there seems to be a unexplained population explosion. Consult Nat Geo on that fact.  

So you are saying he should have shot the kids???

[bscrive]

Would have gotten less I guess, just look at Casey Anthony.

[Ferris Leets]

I live in bear country and we have a few injuries every year.  If a bear is not afraid enough of humans to stay out of an occupied yard it will be killed.  With no apologies.

You live in bear country.  
People move into bear country, wolf country, panther country, coyote country, then have trouble.  Killing the wild creatures so you can have a view of their home is probably the most selfish thing I can imagine.

Chupacabra moved into people country

I think my first post got pulled for being rude so I will try again.

I see you live in Corpus.  Do you allow rattlesnakes, cottonmouths, scorpions and alligators to coexist with you?
   My family has been in this area for 200+ years.  When bears are not afraid of people they get killed.  I hunt.  I love to hunt bears and respect them.  Fair chase in the woods they beat me almost all of the time.  Sometimes I win.  Around home, out of season is another story.  An aggressive bear has to be dealt with.

[NW roller]

Politically correct America it sucks. He should have shot hte dam bear. Only the feds would have a problem with it.

[MP]

I know some sheep ranchers out there.  The Federal govment has given them "bullets" to use in case of grizzley attack.

12 gauge shotgun shells.

You are to fire #1 first, an exploding noise maker, to scare the attacking grizzley away.

#2 is a dummy round, designed to hit the bear in the chest, and thus scare him away!

# 3 is an actual 12 gauge round, designed to kill the bear.

Now, you tell me,  an attacking grizzley 50 feet away, and you are to go thru sorting out these shells, and firing them in the correct order?

The rancher friend told me, what they do is fire the slug first, killing the bear, then make sure to fire the other two rounds into the air, so they can show them to the Federal Agent.

We care MUCH more about animals, than we do PEOPLE!

MP

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

If the guy wasted the meat and fur then he should be fined or jailed for that.

Unless, the laws forced him to waste the hide and/or meat, then whoever is responsible for making those laws should be jailed for it.

If someone had to think about whether to save their child or the bear it would be better if their genes weren't passed on anyway.

Everything dies. We die, bears die. Bears eat meat, we eat meat. A bear eating a human isn't a bad bear, just a hungry bear. A human eating a bear isn't a bad human, just a hungry human.

A human who won't defend themselves from predation isn't a bad human or a good human, they're just a dumb human destined to be eaten.

People who think that killing something so they can survive is wrong, don't think much. Every second of every day, somethings dies because of us. That's how the world works. When we walk in the yard we are constantly crushing insects. When we drive or ride we are doing the same. Generations of animals and insects are destroyed when we pave a road, build a house or plow a field to plant tofu. (soybeans)

When we vacuum our carpets or merely walk through our houses we are killing dust-mites and God only knows what else. The same thing when our furnaces filter our air. When our guts digest food how many micro-organisms are we killing and enabling?

To kill your own food is the noblest and most honorable way to obtain it in my world. And, if you are a thinking person, it forces you to see a little of your own place in this world.

When people go through life believing they are noble creatures who kill nothing to survive because they don't eat meat they are merely hiding their heads in the sand. When these same people lead us is when the trouble begins.

[BnB Tom]

 

Seems as tho WE are becoming the Endangered Species!!!

[suthrncop]

those with common sense are the endangered species!! esp. some of the bureaucrats

[Clark]

I live in griz country not just bear country and there is a big difference between a griz and a black bear and until you have looked them both in the eye in there world you wouldn't understand. The only mistake he made was picking up the phone and not his shovel. I bet he won't make that mistake again. I know there is no shortage of grizzly bears or wolves I bought my LEGAL hunting license to shoot a wolf this fall and would by one for a griz if it were legal. I still would defend myself or anyone else against a bear if I needed to no matter what. Maybe if the wolves were gone (like they use to be) and the fed didn't transplant wolves back here and eat all the elk wich are a food source for the griz they wouldn't be a problem? Infact the species of wolves they transplanted were never native to this area.

i hear ya... friggin IDIOTS

[fudgie]

It's better to be judged by 12 than have your child carried by 6.

Not sure if its made to be funny or not, but I laughed! 

[Ferris Leets]

Quote:
If the guy wasted the meat and fur then he should be fined or jailed for that.

Unless, the laws forced him to waste the hide and/or meat, then whoever is responsible for making those laws should be jailed for it.
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Actually Grizzly bears are pretty much inedible.  Black bears are very good.  If he shot it in self defense the game department will confiscate it.  Otherwise some people would use that as an excuse to collect and keep a trophy.
     I kill an eating size black bear about every other year.  The population of BB's has exploded in my area in the last 15 years.  I used to see one or two a season now it is not unusual to see 7 to 10.
    I found it strange that they are prosecuting.  There may be more to the facts than we have heard.  In most cases of self defense against a wild animal the Fish and Game people make a determination on the spot.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Quote:
If the guy wasted the meat and fur then he should be fined or jailed for that.

Unless, the laws forced him to waste the hide and/or meat, then whoever is responsible for making those laws should be jailed for it.
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Actually Grizzly bears are pretty much inedible.  Black bears are very good.  If he shot it in self defense the game department will confiscate it.  Otherwise some people would use that as an excuse to collect and keep a trophy.
     I kill an eating size black bear about every other year.  The population of BB's has exploded in my area in the last 15 years.  I used to see one or two a season now it is not unusual to see 7 to 10.
    I found it strange that they are prosecuting.  There may be more to the facts than we have heard.  In most cases of self defense against a wild animal the Fish and Game people make a determination on the spot.

That's a shame about the meat not being edible, I didn't know that. Mom often talked about cooking bear her Dad brought back from the Northern states and Canada on his hunting trips when she was a child. I'd always assumed some were brown bears but now that I think about it she never specified. Wish she was still around so I could ask her. Thanks for educating me on it.

[The Anvil]

Seems as tho WE are becoming the Endangered Species!!!

Yeah all six+ billion of us and counting.

[Clark]

I live in bear country and we have a few injuries every year.  If a bear is not afraid enough of humans to stay out of an occupied yard it will be killed.  With no apologies.

You live in bear country.  
People move into bear country, wolf country, panther country, coyote country, then have trouble.  Killing the wild creatures so you can have a view of their home is probably the most selfish thing I can imagine.

Chupacabra moved into people country

FM.. I would have to assume after reading your post  since you dont live in bear country that you still have the same ideals with mice, rats, coackroaches,mosquito's and flies.. jus sayin