sombodys gonna be really PO'd

[PAVALKER]

WTF.....  Here is a gal that paid 1.80 for a 1.50 coupon and gave him 5 stars (well an A+++++) and said it was for a coupon as advertised......       And they are all around us....    

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320746196585

Buyer paid $1.80 for twenty (20) coupons valued at $1.50 each.

I stand corrected... overlooked that.  Now it don't seem like too bad a deal provided he/she can use them all.

[The Anvil]

Some od you guys are really sounding like a bunch of whiney liberals and the "I can't look out for myself so someone please do it for me" crowd.

Not what I said at all.

I wasn't naming names DM. Those people know who they are.

[Chrisj CMA]

The auction is designed to catch a person making that mistake and sell them something they don't want.

No it's not.   I told you, there's an entire market subset devoted to coupon sales and exchange now

Some od you guys are really sounding like a bunch of whiney liberals and the "I can't look out for myself so someone please do it for me" crowd.

Of course there is an entire market for misleading sleaze-ball ads like this because there is an over abundance of gullible people looking for a cheap deal.

What makes this add intentionally misleading (IMO) is that in the item description it describes a compressor NOT a coupon for one.  Yes it does mention the word "COUPON" a couple times, but gullible people look at pictures skim the add and rush to make a quick deal............its not fraud but as I said intentionally misleading is not far from fraud.  While its easily justified by saying "they should have read more closely"  He is hoping and praying they dont.

Not an honest way to make a buck

[Walküre]

WTF.....  Here is a gal that paid 1.80 for a 1.50 coupon and gave him 5 stars (well an A+++++) and said it was for a coupon as advertised......       And they are all around us....    

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320746196585

Buyer paid $1.80 for twenty (20) coupons valued at $1.50 each.

I stand corrected... overlooked that.  Now it don't seem like too bad a deal provided he/she can use them all.

Pav - I am NOT trying to pick on you, but you can see how this happens. It was definitely in the auction. Once you see it, it's obvious, of course. That you DIDN'T see it, wasn't the intention of the person who put up the auction. And I DO believe, that those people who LOOK for the coupons, see that immediately.

That's the reason why 10 different people, seeing someone hold up a bank, have 10 different descriptions. We all see exactly what we are looking for. I believe if we are LOOKING for the bad in someone, assuming they are ripping people off, then we will see exactly that. Just as the opposite is true. The person who posted the auction cited here, said straight out, he does everything possible to keep people from being ripped off. I believe him, judging by the facts - his feedback, his word, and his other auctions. But then, I prefer to believe that Man is inherently a decent creature...


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[Valkahuna]

I know that they all do it,   and that is even more sad,   but no excuse. What's unbelievable is that many feel as you do, that is was a private thing, and therefore OK.    And that is the point I was trying to make.

Once upon a time there was morality in our great land. Then things changed little by little, until one day a sitting President of the USA with a straight face declared that the knob shine he received in that Great Big White House, which incidently belongs to all of us, was not "sex".

Right. He should have said "It's none of your damn business, what I do in the privacy of my quarters!!". And since nothing "illegal" was done, should have stopped there. Just Like Ensign, well, until he bribed the husband, and fired the wife, which WERE illegal. Not like Newt, who was screwing his wife, who WASN'T his wife, while he had a wife, which isn't his wife...but it's ok HE'S running for President. Morals, shmorals - they ALL do it!


  

[Walküre]

As a conservative, I pride myself in living to a set of high moral values.  Taking $100 from an unsuspecting person is not in-line wth those values.  My liberal friends probably would not support an action that took advantage of somebody else's weakness, either.

Do we really think somebody knowingly paid $112 for something that could be obtained for free?  I don't.  But... we'll never know unless we hear from the buyer.

As a liberal, I pride myself in living to a set of high moral values, as well.

This is what the seller wrote me back:

If any bidder requests that I cancel their bid while an auction is active, I do it immediately. If any winner requests that I cancel the transaction after the sale, I do it immediately. Even though most of my listings do not allow for returns, I usually accept them.

Now, which part of that suggests in any way that the bidder at $112 was held to the transaction?? Unless, of course, you are misreading it, and suggesting that he treats it like a "return"?? He gives every opportunity to cancel the transaction!!

The return is a separate issue, altogether. Say, you buy a coupon, for $2.00, when it gets there it's not what you thought, so return it, which he says he allows "usually", even though his listings say "NO RETURNS". The return is not the original sale. He does say he cancels either active auction retractions, OR even after the auction has ended.

Sooooo, now we have to get the BUYER'S WORD??

Again, I would NOT have my "high moral values" keep me from believing someone, no matter what they said. I stand by my belief that there was NOTHING in the original auction to imply a desire to deceive. Nor is there anything in the person that auctioned the coupon off, to make me believe he wouldn't/didn't cancel the obvious idiot that couldn't read the auction and bid $112 to cancel his bid.

If you see different, that's your opinion. And nothing I could ever say or prove, would change your opinion. You win. Right or wrong, you win. I give up. Uncle.

There are none so blind as those who won't see...

[Walküre]

I know that they all do it,   and that is even more sad,   but no excuse. What's unbelievable is that many feel as you do, that is was a private thing, and therefore OK.    And that is the point I was trying to make.

Wrong-o. Doesn't make it "OK". But, since it is NOT illegal, certainly not worth $10 million to resolve absolutely nothing. You can call it whatever you want, I've heard it all - "oh, we were trying him for lying!!". What a bunch of crap. It was to make him look bad, as if he didn't look bad enough, already. What a waste of money and resources! It was handled MUCH better with Newt - until he resurfaced...

R

[Walküre]

Deliberate or otherwise, folks can get misled about what they buy, and I hope this buyer gets treated right.

Pluggy

You're right, that IS the important thing. I guess we all just have different opinions on how it WILL turn out.

And you're right on what can happen, although I don't know if even most of the "casual" sellers, know some of those things, like the scuba gear. If I found a set, in my in-laws, that was new, I'd sell it as new, not knowing about the rest of it. Of course, I try to research whatever I buy, and if I were buying Scuba gear, and it was from a dealer, I would expect the warranty/parts. If I were buying from a regular Joe, I think I'd realize that I was buying "as-is".

Case in point - I traded/bartered/sold a set of Scala G4 headsets to Jabba, but one of the earphones went out, pretty quickly. He tried to talk to them under warranty, and they wanted "proof of purchase" even though he registered the serial number! Since I bought them off ebay originally, I didn't have what Scala might have required as a "proof of purchase". To me, it was Scala's way of screwing the ultimate purchaser. Fortunately, I have an extra headset, I'm sending him, and going to keep his for spare parts, since I had several other sets. I'm sure Scala knew EXACTLY how old that particular serial number was...

R

[Valkahuna]

I'm happy to hear you say it was not OK. And yes, it was illegal. In any corporation, he would have been brought up under sexual harrassment charges, and at the very least, lost his position.

But hey, it was a long time ago, and since it is not really what this thread is about, I'll leave it right there. Only point I am interested in is to cite the decay of morality in the USA, and the acceptance of things that are clearly questionable at best. 

"Nuff said! (by me anyways)

I know that they all do it,   and that is even more sad,   but no excuse. What's unbelievable is that many feel as you do, that is was a private thing, and therefore OK.    And that is the point I was trying to make.

Wrong-o. Doesn't make it "OK". But, since it is NOT illegal, certainly not worth $10 million to resolve absolutely nothing. You can call it whatever you want, I've heard it all - "oh, we were trying him for lying!!". What a bunch of crap. It was to make him look bad, as if he didn't look bad enough, already. What a waste of money and resources! It was handled MUCH better with Newt - until he resurfaced...

R

[sugerbear]

just to sum it up.

i am looking for an air compressor.(probably harbor freight)

looking at prices only on e-bay.

FIRST thing i saw was "coupon", and..........i'm not a coupon shopper.
the word just jumped out at me and i thought it was funny that people don't read.

ever hear "let the buyer beware"

even on here, someone reads part of a post, and jumps in. never read the whole post, or heaven forbid, the other post below it. that way we get multiple post with the same answer.

ok i'll shut up now and go back ti lurking..........mostly.  

[fudgie]

How is this any different then a Valker selling oem saddle bag gaurd rails, used, for a $1000 when the oem price was $300 or so? 

[MP]

How is this any different then a Valker selling oem saddle bag gaurd rails, used, for a $1000 when the oem price was $300 or so? 

Same as if you bought an ounce of gold several years ago for $300, would you be willing to sell it for that today, or would you want the going price of $1700 or so?

One is selling for the going price of an item, and the other is misleading in what they are selling at best.  Fraud at its worst.

MP

[fudgie]

While I agree its a low tactic, but the item for sale is stated. Being uncomprehensable or iliterate is not the sellers fault.

[Walküre]

I'm happy to hear you say it was not OK. And yes, it was illegal. In any corporation, he would have been brought up under sexual harrassment charges, and at the very least, lost his position.

Actually, no. Monica was 22, a consenting adult. It was never even suggested that she objected to the affair, nor was it suggested that her position was in jeopardy, if she DIDN'T consent. Move on folks, nothing illegal here...at least as far as the affair. Also, the first denial of the affair, was by Monica, herself, not Clinton. She denied it, and he concurred.

In 1995, Monica Lewinsky, a graduate of Lewis & Clark College, was hired to work as an intern at the White House during Clinton's first term, and began a personal relationship with him, the details of which she later confided to her friend and Defense department co-worker Linda Tripp, who secretly recorded their telephone conversations.[2] When Tripp discovered in January 1998 that Lewinsky had signed an affidavit in the Paula Jones case denying a relationship with Clinton, she delivered the tapes to Kenneth Starr, the Independent Counsel who was investigating Clinton on other matters, including the Whitewater scandal, the White House FBI files controversy, and the White House travel office controversy. During the grand jury testimony Clinton's responses were guarded, and he argued, "It depends on what the meaning of the word is is".

Now, you know the REST of the story...

I still can't believe this thread. The guy advertised and sold a coupon, a VERY common occurrence on eBay, someone couldn't read, and bid way high, the seller says he cancels bids, during AND after, when someone realizes they made a mistake, and also says he asks them multiple times, during the transaction, to GIVE them that opportunity, and yet there are STILL people, that say it's fraud.

Here's the search for COUPON...nothing else, JUST COUPON!!!!!

79,076 results found for COUPON

All ripoffs?? In comparison, all the results for Honda Valkyrie - 4115...

4,115 results found for honda valkyrie

[The Anvil]

I'm happy to hear you say it was not OK. And yes, it was illegal. In any corporation, he would have been brought up under sexual harrassment charges, and at the very least, lost his position.

So wrong. When I was with GE it was well known that Jack Welch (then CEO) was screwing around with his secretary and he's had numerous infidelities besides including screwing around on his second wife with the woman who would eventually become his third wife. Sounds an awful lot like Newt Gingrich actually! Another guy who's career has not been affected by infidelity, dishonor and lecherous ways (though I don't hear you crying about THAT).

Point is; none of it affected his tenure with GE. Why? Because he was a rainmaker.

[Walküre]

Not to mention John McCain.

John McCain had a well-documented affair on his first wife, with his current wife. He has admitted in the books he has written about his life that he ran around with several different women while still married to his first wife. And don't forget that he left her for a younger, richer woman - multi-millionaire Cindy Hensley who is now Cindy McCain - after she had been severely hurt in a car accident.

The differences, in MY opinion, is that when the Conservatives are found out, the other Conservatives circle the wagons, and protect them and rationalize their actions, while the Liberals are just dismayed, and ready to toss the culprit under the bus. That's why Clinton, Edwards, Spitzer, Anthony Weiner, and Jerry Springer are so ostracized, yet McCain, Mark Sanford, Dave Vitter, Jim Gibbons, and Gingrich are revered.

[The Anvil]

I still can't believe this thread. The guy advertised and sold a coupon, a VERY common occurrence on eBay, someone couldn't read, and bid way high, the seller says he cancels bids, during AND after, when someone realizes they made a mistake, and also says he asks them multiple times, during the transaction, to GIVE them that opportunity, and yet there are STILL people, that say it's fraud.

Because those people have probably been burned by something similar.

I once screwed up and bought something off of Ebay that turned out to be damaged. It was early in my career as an EBay user and the info was in the pics and description but I got all starry-eyed and jumped the gun. Last time I'll ever do THAT. Who did I blame for my mistake? Not the other guy, I can tell you that much.

And one of the nice things about not being a holier-than-thou conservative is that you don't have to eat crow when your chosen golden boy, be they John McCain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Bush II turns out to be less than perfect (and in some cases no better than a miserable lout). We already accept that about other humans and expect it. But what I can't stand is hypocrites who think it's okay for their guy to do it, but not okay for someone else's guy. But it's totally expected when dealing with the "right". It's almost a prereq. that you be a hypocrite otherwise you'd spend your whole life apologizing. It's easier to just ignore it or make excuses I guess. 

[Grandpa Bigbuck]

Coupon can not be bought, sold, or transferred. (printed on the coupon pictured.)

[Walküre]

Coupon can not be bought, sold, or transferred. (printed on the coupon pictured.)

Yeah, but YOU know how them coupons lie!!

    

[vanagon40]

Wow, I cannot believe how many hit this thread gets, when threads actually about a Valkyrie motorcycle go unnoticed.

While I agree with the concepts of Buyer Beware and that one must carefully read the fine print, I cannot agree that the seller had done absolutely nothing wrong.

As many are quick to point out, the seller posts numerous coupons and the coupon buyers are satisfied with their purchases, thus justifying the seller's high ebay rating.  And also, the Harbor Freight ad uses the word "coupon" four or five times in the listing.

However, the other listings posted by the seller are all very clearly listings for coupons, as the listings describe the content of the coupon, the expiration date, and other relevant facts regarding the coupon (as opposed to describing, for example, Coca-Cola and Hanover Pretzels).  The Harbor Freight Air Compressor listing provided details of a Harbor Freight Air Compressor, and not the details of the coupon (i.e., the expiration date, etc.)  The main listing photo is that of an air compressor, rather than a photo of a coupon (as was shown for the Coca-Cola and Hanover Pretzels coupon).

My point is that when the seller wants to make it clear that he selling a coupon, he can do so.  He intentionally did not do so with the Harbor Freight Air Compressor listing.

While the listing may not be deceptive or contrary to ebay policy, is seems clear that the seller did not intend that every ebay buyer would recognize that the listing was for the sale of a coupon, and not the actual Harbor Freight Air Compressor.

[sugerbear]

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! somebody kill this thread.......................Willow................

[Willow]

And one of the nice things about not being a holier-than-thou conservative is ... It's almost a prereq. that you be a hypocrite otherwise you'd spend your whole life apologizing. It's easier to just ignore it or make excuses I guess. 

Anvil, I've a bit of free insight (advice?) for you, and, yes, I know it's worth every penny you paid for it.

I've way too many liberal friends to make blanket generalized insulting comments about liberals.  I have far too many conservative and libertarian friends  to make generalized demeaning statements about conservatives or libertarians.  It's likely I even too many anarchist friends to insult that entire group.

Hypocrisy is very easy to see in those who disagree with us and almost impossible to see in ourselves.  An example would be how easy it is for you to see my hypocrisy and how easy it is for me to see yours.  I'm sure we would both declare without exception that we're not hypocrites.

Lastly, you and I are both too close to the intellectual mean to assume that we're cerebrally superior to everyone who sees things differently than do we, let alone that they're all imbeciles.

You make some really good points, and just when I almost get to the place of enjoying the mental exercise, you go and say something that obviously is more from your gut than your head.  I really wish you wouldn't do that.     

[donaldcc]

And one of the nice things about not being a holier-than-thou conservative is ... It's almost a prereq. that you be a hypocrite otherwise you'd spend your whole life apologizing. It's easier to just ignore it or make excuses I guess.  

Anvil, I've a bit of free insight (advice?) for you, and, yes, I know it's worth every penny you paid for it.

I've way too many liberal friends to make blanket generalized insulting comments about liberals.  I have far too many conservative and libertarian friends  to make generalized demeaning statements about conservatives or libertarians.  It's likely I even too many anarchist friends to insult that entire group.

Hypocrisy is very easy to see in those who disagree with us and almost impossible to see in ourselves.  An example would be how easy it is for you to see my hypocrisy and how easy it is for me to see yours.  I'm sure we would both declare without exception that we're not hypocrites.

Lastly, you and I are both too close to the intellectual mean to assume that we're cerebrally superior to everyone who sees things differently than do we, let alone that they're all imbeciles.

You make some really good points, and just when I almost get to the place of enjoying the mental exercise, you go and say something that obviously is more from your gut than your head.  I really wish you wouldn't do that.    

WTF it's a motorcycle biker's board, say what the hell you want.  I want to read it.

 <MODIFY>  Sorry left out winky eye.  What exactly does that mean?

[Walküre]

The person, Niki who had the original auction, sent me another note - here in it's entirety:

Dear 1951fordf2,

I thought I would offer a bit more information on these listings since I checked back in & the debate rages on!

Of the approximate 10 Harbor Freight coupons that I have sold-
A couple have asked to cancel the transaction, which I did within minutes of the request.
A couple have paid & asked for refunds, which I granted within minutes of the requests.
A few have yet to pay.
A few have paid, overtly stated that they understood the sale was for a coupon, & confirmed their shipping information.

As for the buyer of the $112 coupon- I have NO INTENTION of attempting to collect on this sale unless, by some odd logic that I cannot comprehend, they insist on delivery of the coupon. Since this item remains unpaid & the buyer fails to respond to my attempts to contact them, I will allow ebay to apply an unpaid item notice to their account. While their is no consequence for one notice, I think it emphasises the need for communication. Multiple unpaid item notices can result in the cancelation or suspension of their account, which is probably best for their protection as online shopping would have proven a task too complicated for them to navigate.

In response to the forum member who asserts that my Harbor Freight coupon listings differ from my other coupon listings:
Every listing I create includes the expiration date, a high resolution scan of the actual coupon/form/etc., & the specs of the product for which the coupon/form is valid. The product specifications for a sack of pretzels are generally simple- size, flavor, & brand. The specifications for an air compressor can be quite complicated, especially when Harbor Freight has issued multiple coupons, for different compressors, with different expiration dates, with differentt purchase limits, etc. that are all valid within the same relative time-frame. Any & all information included in my listings is intended to clarify, not confuse.

Like you, I choose to think that most people aren't out to scam anyone.

- nikifarrington

Make your own judgements...like you wouldn't, anyway! 

[Walküre]

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! somebody kill this thread.......................Willow................

Like a moth to a flame, eh? Keep coming back?? I myself said once I was done with it...countless posts ago!

 

[Jabba]

Adds like that target automated bid crawlers I think.  Which is sort of sleazy in my opinion too.  A person enters a product and a MAX price to bid on it... and the crawler searches for said product and bids on auctions until it wins one.  Then you get the win.

I'd almost BET that's what happens... and people either pony up or back out and get their ebay account closed.

Whatever. 

I'll snipe auctions... but since I actually DO it, I feel morally justified in doing so...   

Jabba

[The Anvil]

Adds like that target automated bid crawlers I think.  Which is sort of sleazy in my opinion too.  A person enters a product and a MAX price to bid on it... and the crawler searches for said product and bids on auctions until it wins one.  Then you get the win.

I'd almost BET that's what happens... and people either pony up or back out and get their ebay account closed.

Whatever. 

I'll snipe auctions... but since I actually DO it, I feel morally justified in doing so...   

Jabba

Oh there's nothing wrong with swooping in at the last minute as long as you're awake and there when it's happening. I've done it and had it done to me. It's extremely satisfying when you do it to someone else. When it's you? Notsomuch. 

[Willow]

<MODIFY>  Sorry left out winky eye.  What exactly does that mean?

It means you have a twitch in your right eye, for whatever that might indicate.    

[donaldcc]

<MODIFY>  Sorry left out winky eye.  What exactly does that mean?

It means you have a twitch in your right eye, for whatever that might indicate.    

  Hey thanks Willow.  Usually I "wear my heart on my sleeve". Yesterday I looked down and it was gone, but I found it and put it back on my sleeve..