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Do any of you pay attention to what the manufacturer says?  No faster than 80 mph when carrying gear?  Relay! riding 2up with rain gear in the bags I'm over the total limit.  |
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2011, 10:18:27 AM » |
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Same here but I very seldom read the limit sticker. Just finish 760 miles this weekend all the time overloaded and sometimes over 80 mph.  |
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2011, 10:31:55 AM » |
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I think I'm over the total when I get on the bike without gear!  My limit is determined by how many bungee cords I have on hand....though if you get a LOT of load to the far rear and can make her a little touchy on the front in extreme handling. |
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2011, 11:16:31 AM » |
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The limit just seams laughable. What would a bike look like that could carry two people 200lb each, with full bags and trunk.  |
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2011, 11:30:20 AM » |
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not uless you want to get ran over...ahhhh... so that would be a no from me...  |
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2011, 01:45:13 PM » |
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2 up pulling trailer, I ride faster then that.  |
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2011, 07:02:37 AM » |
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6500 miles a few weeks ago, ALWAYS over the limit, nearly always over 80.  |
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2011, 07:31:11 AM » |
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I've never read the 80 mph thing but what gets me is the HL luggage rack on my standard has a sticker on it that says 8.8 lbs max! I have carried at least 50 lbs of gear and ride 2 up at 80 mph+ totaling 450 lbs!! CORRECTION: 6.6 lbs! |
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2011, 09:52:30 AM » |
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Those restrictions the company has printed or stated, are to cover their ass if you happen to wheelie and hit someone. People are prone to sue anymore so everyone issues limitations that are way under the real riding world.
I've ignored them for several years.
On our Police motors, we carried 80# of firkin radio back in the day. That was on a stock rear rack until they started building our own rack so all the crap could set on top of the rear fender, and equally in each bag.
Unless you are overloading it by 1,000#, I say don't worry about it.
Do you worry about overloading your private family vehicle? There are limitations in your owners manual. So no worry about the bike. It might eat tires a little quicker, but other than that worry about something else. OH, my CT cured some of my tire tread wear on overload. When I had to run MT, due to on the road tire failure with a trailer, I usually dropped close to 2,000 miles of tread wear with the MT. Believe it or not, I don't think I ever lost any miles from a CT due to pulling the trailer.
PS: No cupping with the CT.
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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2011, 11:00:05 AM » |
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Do any of you pay attention to what the manufacturer says? No faster than 80 mph when carrying gear? Relay! riding 2up with rain gear in the bags I'm over the total limit. I believe we have discussed this before as it related to tire wear. The load limits are not something to ignore. I know riders do ignore the load limits but that is at their own risk. My IS is factory rated at about 417. My passenger and I account for about 365 when fully dressed in winter leathers and gear. Then we carry about 50 lbs of stuff when traveling so that bring us in right about the load limit. I have the factory IS shocks set at 5 for all our riding and the suspension seems to work well on our twisty roads. The Avon Cobra tires are run at 42 front and 46 rear. Normal speeds between 70 and 80. I wanted to see how the bike would handle if my passenger and I were weight challenged so I borrowed and added heavy sand bags to the hard saddle bags and trunk and my passenger held one on her lap and then we took the Valk for a spin and the bike handled completely different. Like a real slug. Riders who overload the bike then wonder why it handles like a truck also get pissed when tires last no more than 6-8k miles and some resort to heavy shocks. I’d rather just stay away from the fast food places as much as possible and keep our luggage load as light as possible. Also remember that the higher up you carry the load such as those racks that fit on top of the trunk, the worse the bike corners due to moving the center of gravity upward. |
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2011, 05:16:54 PM » |
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I've never read the 80 mph thing but what gets me is the HL luggage rack on my standard has a sticker on it that says 8.8 lbs max! I have carried at least 50 lbs of gear and ride 2 up at 80 mph+ totaling 450 lbs!! I don't know if this is the case with the luggage rack, but a lot of time when you see a ridiculously low limit like that on something attached to a vehicle, its due to concerns regarding dynamic loads. If you look at the welds on the HL luggage rack, they're what I'd call cosmetic, i.e. ground to look pretty without regard to residual strength. You take something built that way and put 50 lbs and there's no problem. You put 50 lbs on it then hit a 3G pothole, and now its seeing 150 lbs and you're stuff is all over the highway. Like I say, I don't know if this is the case with the luggage rack, just speculating. -RP |
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2011, 11:29:46 AM » |
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2011, 11:48:55 AM » |
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@ RP#62 I agree with you on that. I like to keep my trunk on the light side. Saw a post about the Val having an issue with weakness in the rear fender. The trunk support that came with the bike has 2 struts that attach to the fender at the turn signal. Looks funky, and I cant say I feel comfortable with it after reading that post. ordered a rack that bolts to the sissy bar mount. looks better and the weight is on the frame. |
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2011, 12:58:04 PM » |
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2011, 08:37:25 AM » |
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Those restrictions the company has printed or stated, are to cover their ass if you happen to wheelie and hit someone. People are prone to sue anymore so everyone issues limitations that are way under the real riding world.
I've ignored them for several years.
On our Police motors, we carried 80# of firkin radio back in the day. That was on a stock rear rack until they started building our own rack so all the crap could set on top of the rear fender, and equally in each bag.
Unless you are overloading it by 1,000#, I say don't worry about it.
Do you worry about overloading your private family vehicle? There are limitations in your owners manual. So no worry about the bike. It might eat tires a little quicker, but other than that worry about something else. OH, my CT cured some of my tire tread wear on overload. When I had to run MT, due to on the road tire failure with a trailer, I usually dropped close to 2,000 miles of tread wear with the MT. Believe it or not, I don't think I ever lost any miles from a CT due to pulling the trailer.
PS: No cupping with the CT.
Yeah I knew that it protects them from liability, but 8.8 lbs?? My lunch box weighs more than that! 10, 15, 20 would sound a lot better. I mean 8.8...come on!!  CORRECTION: 6.6 lbs!! |
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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2011, 09:28:12 PM » |
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Seeing that the entire trunk is rated 20# max, 8.8 supported by the lid feels about right. The bags are rated 20# each as well, yet they and the trunk sit on steel racks you could probably stand on (if you weighed 150). My normal daily riding has about 35# in one bag, 20 in the other and maybe 10 in the trunk. On a serious trip add 40# spread around with clothes etc in a duffel on the rear seat. No problems so far.
A gas cylinder has to test three times it's rated pressure to be legal. It's just overkill to protect the manufacturer.
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2011, 07:29:03 AM » |
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Seeing that the entire trunk is rated 20# max, 8.8 supported by the lid feels about right. The bags are rated 20# each as well, yet they and the trunk sit on steel racks you could probably stand on (if you weighed 150). My normal daily riding has about 35# in one bag, 20 in the other and maybe 10 in the trunk. On a serious trip add 40# spread around with clothes etc in a duffel on the rear seat. No problems so far.
A gas cylinder has to test three times it's rated pressure to be legal. It's just overkill to protect the manufacturer.
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I totaly agree, but 6.6 lbs?? 10 lbs would sound better! |
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2011, 01:38:40 PM » |
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I totaly agree, but 6.6 lbs?? 10 lbs would sound better!
How about 3 kilos??? A nice round number! (couldn't help myself...) After all, the engineers were using metric... |
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2011, 06:46:18 PM » |
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How about 3 kilos? A nice round number! After all, the engineers were using metric. You are no doubt right. We wouldn't be having this discussion if the nation would have gone metric in the '70s like the federal law "mandated". Somehow it seem strange that the only thing that went metric and stayed metric is liquor. |
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2011, 06:54:55 PM » |
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I totaly agree, but 6.6 lbs?? 10 lbs would sound better!
How about 3 kilos??? A nice round number! (couldn't help myself...) After all, the engineers were using metric... No, believe it or not, my Honda line luggage rack does say 6.6 lbs! |
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2011, 07:56:45 PM » |
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Do any of you pay attention to what the manufacturer says? No faster than 80 mph when carrying gear? Relay! riding 2up with rain gear in the bags I'm over the total limit. Lets see, Inzane trip, alternator, u-joints exhaust tips, extra jacket and clothes in right bag, left bag tools, air compressor, plug kit, rain suit, extra shoes, towels. joes juice, spares lamps etc. trunk kurakin bag on the top full of clothes, in the trunk laptop, cameras, video equip, tripod and a lot of other stuff. plus all the stuff I bought had to carry on the rear seat. Was that overloaded ?  |
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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2011, 01:43:47 PM » |
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[ Relay! riding 2up with rain gear in the bags I'm over the total limit. [/quote] Lets see, Inzane trip, alternator, u-joints exhaust tips, extra jacket and clothes in right bag, left bag tools, air compressor, plug kit, rain suit, extra shoes, towels. joes juice, spares lamps etc. trunk kurakin bag on the top full of clothes, in the trunk laptop, cameras, video equip, tripod and a lot of other stuff. plus all the stuff I bought had to carry on the rear seat. Was that overloaded ? [/quote] With all those spare parts I would think you we're you riding a Harley and not a Valkyrie??? |
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2011, 03:49:16 PM » |
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Nope, just carrying stuff in case some one needed it, last year some one was down for 2 days with a bad alternator, just trying to help.
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