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American Guns watched it on discovery channel Monday night. Not impressed. Arrogant pretty much sums it up. Yes it was a crotch rocket they blew up but still sends the message Harley riders only!! Maybe a Colorado VRCC member could pay them a visit I would of If I had this info when I was there in June. His message was Harley customers only. Over sensitive? Perhaps however actions like this discourage unity and cause prejudice. http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/american-guns-paiges-ar-15-prize.html
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2011, 09:56:34 AM » |
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Last month my wife and I were cosidering going on a 9-11 Memorial Ride at a local VFW hall. But we were turned away becauase it was for HDs only and "no jap bikes allowed", they also turned away a fellow rider on a Victory 92 Sport Cruiser.
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2011, 10:28:42 AM » |
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2011, 10:30:06 AM » |
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I have no desire to fraternize with HD riders. Don't think I could lower my standards enough.
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2011, 10:32:15 AM » |
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I was really enjoying that show until that... (Well, the guy's daughter, while I can't deny she's hot, carrying around the small dog like she thinks she's Paris Hilton was kinda  ) But yeah, blowing up the zip-splat at the end was a major turn off for me for that show... It had promise too up until that...
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2011, 10:47:19 AM » |
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I watched the show and I did not get that image at all. I thought I saw a metric cruiser in the lot. Granted she did blow up a crotch rocket but why would you blow up a high dollar machine instead of a junker? Not saying the rocket was junk but far priced less then a HD. You dont take a Mercedes to a demo derby, you take a old clunker. Now what momz was saying was just plain wrong. I hang with HD riders all the time and have a good time. Our habits/ degrees of fun are the same. We all know the non riding folks think all bikes are HD's and the term Harley is commonly thrown out. Like the word Kleenex. I dont have cable at home but will watch it again when it comes on at work. They showed some Winchesters and 6 guns which I like. Plus the daughter holds my attention very well.  Plus its nice to see folks carry on their hips.
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2011, 11:10:00 AM » |
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I was talking to member of a local MC club. The deceased founder was a old good friend my whole life. you must have a HD or Indian to be in club. Years before my friend almost killed himself on a Suzuki, and he worked at Honda while running the club.
I looked at new HD a couple weeks ago, the salesman seemed genuinely interested in the Valk and talked about CBX's when he saw my ICOA patch on my vest. this was a weekday, I refused a test ride offered, no need with out the cash. This dealer had a bike show/party one night, He was busy with a customer, but within 1 foot of me 10 times and never said a word, the is no way he did recognize my vest or me, but their were harley people all around, was he too good to say hi to the honda guy while in a room for of Harley people?
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2011, 11:11:26 AM » |
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I watched the show and I did not get that image at all. I thought I saw a metric cruiser in the lot. Granted she did blow up a crotch rocket but why would you blow up a high dollar machine instead of a junker? Not saying the rocket was junk but far priced less then a HD. You dont take a Mercedes to a demo derby, you take a old clunker. Now what momz was saying was just plain wrong. I hang with HD riders all the time and have a good time. Our habits/ degrees of fun are the same. We all know the non riding folks think all bikes are HD's and the term Harley is commonly thrown out. Like the word Kleenex. I dont have cable at home but will watch it again when it comes on at work. They showed some Winchesters and 6 guns which I like. Plus the daughter holds my attention very well.  Plus its nice to see folks carry on their hips. I know a fellow CBX rider that took a mercedes to a demolition derby, in indiana years ago
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2011, 11:13:43 AM » |
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their clothes and merchandise has a lot of made in china on it, read it 2 hours ago
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2011, 11:45:07 AM » |
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i look at it like this, maybe the guy doesn't like the image that crotch rockets give cruiser riders like us. the same way i view snow boarders, probably the same way people that own "air planes" view people that fly "ultra-lights". blowing up a crotch rocket might be his way of saying he doesn't like "immature" riders that exceed the speed limit all the time. you've got to agree, crotch rockets are pretty much only made for speed, don't know of very many "cross country" journeys made on a crotch rocket were the rider didn't regret doing it!!
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2011, 12:15:09 PM » |
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On that show Sons of Guns, they had Mikey, Paul's wife, and Pauls Jr. blow up two little Honda cruisers.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2011, 01:21:40 PM » |
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i look at it like this, maybe the guy doesn't like the image that crotch rockets give cruiser riders like us. the same way i view snow boarders, probably the same way people that own "air planes" view people that fly "ultra-lights". blowing up a crotch rocket might be his way of saying he doesn't like "immature" riders that exceed the speed limit all the time. you've got to agree, crotch rockets are pretty much only made for speed, don't know of very many "cross country" journeys made on a crotch rocket were the rider didn't regret doing it!!
With young riders, it's all about image and nothing else. They wouldn't be caught dead on a cruiser or tourer. Not because of the bikes themselves but because of the types of people that are associated with them (old farts and Harley dudes). Crotch rockets are made for the young, let them ride and if they survive, we'll see them on a real bike when they mature.
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2011, 01:26:32 PM » |
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I just love how some people fight generalizations and ignorance with yet more generalizations and ignorance.
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2011, 01:31:13 PM » |
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The explosion looked funny to me. No where near enough debris. I went back and watched it frame by frame. It looks like it just knocked the bike over with a lot of distracting and phony pyrotechnics. The guy does say most of his customers are Harley riders and there's nothing they hate more than crotch rockets. Just seems like a lot of stupid expense to show arrogant contempt for somebody else's preference. Don't think I'll waste any of my day on this show.
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2011, 01:46:56 PM » |
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It's not a "crotch rocket" either. It's a Suzuki GS500. More of a standard than anything.
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« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2011, 01:52:24 PM » |
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I rode a cruiser from the time i turned 17. It was my dads honda magna. Alot of other guys my age were riding crotch rockets and i just didnt like them. Why buy a bike that will run 200 mph when you have no business going that fast? I liked my comfortable little cruiser because thats what it was, comfortable and got me from A to B. So you cant associate just young people with crotch rockets, i know plenty of older guys with them too. That is like saying if your old you must have cancer because i dont know any young people with cancer. Just saying
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« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2011, 02:53:34 PM » |
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I agree with Anvil regarding generalizations.
Additionally, I haven't seen the American Guns show and I guess now I won't bother.
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« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2011, 03:59:45 PM » |
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Several yrs ago, my buddy told me of a "Rice Burn" at Daytona. A bar bought an old Rice bike and drained the oil/coolant out of it. They ran it jammed at full throttle and drank beer while it burned itself up. When it siezed, they all cheered. One yr they used an old 1200 Wing. No oil or coolant. After 45 minutes, they were going back inside bored because it was still running. My HD riding buddy was never more proud of a Honda and didn't hesitate calling me to tell the story.
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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2011, 04:07:14 PM » |
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Several yrs ago, my buddy told me of a "Rice Burn" at Daytona. A bar bought an old Rice bike and drained the oil/coolant out of it. They ran it jammed at full throttle and drank beer while it burned itself up. When it siezed, they all cheered. One yr they used an old 1200 Wing. No oil or coolant. After 45 minutes, they were going back inside bored because it was still running. My HD riding buddy was never more proud of a Honda and didn't hesitate calling me to tell the story.
A British motorcycle magazine did the same thing (but as a test) to a Kawasaki ZX(can't remember if it was a 6 or 9). They ran it with no oil or coolant at WOT. They had to stop the test because the exhaust blew a hole through it before the engine would seize and molten metal was flying around. They even got it to re-start after letting it cool off but it sounded like a box of rocks in the hands of Michael J. Fox so the experiment clearly did damage. But the amount of punishment it took was still astounding.
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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2011, 07:11:15 PM » |
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I watched the show and I did not get that image at all. I thought I saw a metric cruiser in the lot. Granted she did blow up a crotch rocket but why would you blow up a high dollar machine instead of a junker? Not saying the rocket was junk but far priced less then a HD. You dont take a Mercedes to a demo derby, you take a old clunker. Now what momz was saying was just plain wrong. I hang with HD riders all the time and have a good time. Our habits/ degrees of fun are the same. We all know the non riding folks think all bikes are HD's and the term Harley is commonly thrown out. Like the word Kleenex. I dont have cable at home but will watch it again when it comes on at work. They showed some Winchesters and 6 guns which I like. Plus the daughter holds my attention very well.  Plus its nice to see folks carry on their hips. +1. My experience too. There have been individual exceptions, but that is everywhere. MP
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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2011, 07:49:40 PM » |
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I have seen 1 and 1/2 episodes. First thing I noticed was the HD emblem visible in most all scenes.  I don't care if I ever see another show.
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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2011, 08:13:40 PM » |
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2011, 05:54:35 AM » |
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The explosion looked funny to me. No where near enough debris. I went back and watched it frame by frame. It looks like it just knocked the bike over with a lot of distracting and phony pyrotechnics. The guy does say most of his customers are Harley riders and there's nothing they hate more than crotch rockets. Just seems like a lot of stupid expense to show arrogant contempt for somebody else's preference. Don't think I'll waste any of my day on this show.
Exactly the post I was looking for before I said something. Riiight, it explodes on the 3rd shot. Well the likelyhood of it exploding in the first place is almost none. The amount of dirt in the explosion suggested some nice spread along the ground under the bike. It was all drama, she probably never hit the bike.
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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2011, 05:56:50 AM » |
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The explosion looked funny to me. No where near enough debris. I went back and watched it frame by frame. It looks like it just knocked the bike over with a lot of distracting and phony pyrotechnics. The guy does say most of his customers are Harley riders and there's nothing they hate more than crotch rockets. Just seems like a lot of stupid expense to show arrogant contempt for somebody else's preference. Don't think I'll waste any of my day on this show.
Exactly the post I was looking for before I said something. Riiight, it explodes on the 3rd shot. Well the likelyhood of it exploding in the first place is almost none. The amount of dirt in the explosion suggested some nice spread along the ground under the bike. It was all drama, she probably never hit the bike. It's stuff like the clear faking of the splosion (which they did not need to do, just tell me there are explosives you're trying to hit) along with the canned dialogue (that's delivered as if it's off the cuff) that turns me off to these shows. The ignorance is just the cherry on top.
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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2011, 06:12:26 AM » |
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Def fake explosion. In my years of FF, I have never seen a vehicle 'explode'. I bet I have fought 50 car/truck/MC fires.
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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2011, 11:17:37 AM » |
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My only contact with the show was watching a few clips on the discovery channel website but it struck me that I thought it was pretty sad that the guy that owns this gunshop is willing to exploit his wife and daughter by wearing tight clothes to just to sell his guns, (and show.). I prefer Sons of Guns, this just looks like a cheap rip-off using sex to sell because it lacks the originality and content. Just my opinion, yours may vary.
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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2011, 04:33:05 PM » |
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My only contact with the show was watching a few clips on the discovery channel website but it struck me that I thought it was pretty sad that the guy that owns this gunshop is willing to exploit his wife and daughter by wearing tight clothes to just to sell his guns, (and show.). I prefer Sons of Guns, this just looks like a cheap rip-off using sex to sell because it lacks the originality and content. Just my opinion, yours may vary.
Yep, momma's hooters are probably store bought,  and they portray the daughter as a dirty little "spanker".  Daddy thinks more about money than his wife and daughter. The show is identical to so many others, it's obviously a "formula" thing. I am getting tired of that formula.
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