Get a new petcock,,,,, or a Pingel?

[rmrc51]

Okay,

After the information all of you contributed yesterday, I had found the my re-built petcock was leaking from not having it tightened enough. But,,, now I also see that it has a very slow leak from where the side plate connects and I have the 4 screws tightened as much as possible! 

So,,,, it's time to order a brand new petcock or,,, a Pingel.

Now, for those of you who will recommend the Pingel, should I get the one that has the vacuum port, or skip the vacuum and just get and on/off model? 

I plan to order on Monday morning so I'll be watching for your opinions. Thanks in advance! 

[Ricky-D]

Get the "on-off" model. No fuss, no muss!  Simple is best I think in this regard.

[SANDMAN5]

I have the non-vac Pingel and I'm %100 satisfied.

[fudgie]

I also have the non vac and like it. I always shut mine off anyway before. There are times I forget and leave it on for a week at a time with no problems....yet.

[rmrc51]

So far by popular opinion I'll be ordering the On-Off model!!!!! 

[SgtBunny]

Anyone have a closeup of the pingel after mounting?

I am curious as to how it looks on the bike.

[DeathWishBikerDude]

[DeathWishBikerDude]

I love the pingel.
I added a quick disconnect kit off the bay.
Makes taking off the tank a five minute job.
No playing with hose clamps,just click off the connector and vent line,and the two mounting bolts on the tank.

 

[SgtBunny]

Thanks for the pic.

That is what I thought it would look like.

So what do you guys use to fill the void where the petcock was in your chrome?

[fudgie]

Thanks for the pic.

That is what I thought it would look like.

So what do you guys use to fill the void where the petcock was in your chrome?

If your talking about the engine hangers you'll probally have to take that side off. You will have to reach under it more to reach the petcock. You get use to it.

[SgtBunny]

I will stick to the stock petcock.

I prefer the chrome.   

[KCvalk]

if you want a option to the pingel look at drag specaialties 90 degree model 22mm
chromed, very tight design, for about $23.  I've had one on my valk standard for about
a year now and no problems.  Used the old intank screen filter and its works great.
Only complaint is it has a smaller turn "fin" than the pingel and sometimes it takes some real
finger strength to get the valve moving. But for 1/4 of the price of the Pingel  i can deal.

http://www.dragspecialties.com/fatbook/17/319/7728490?q=petcock

[rmrc51]

Well, I'm definitely going with the Pingel. I'll place the order tomorrow!

Although I will miss the chrome, the idea of a simple direct on/off valve with a supposed increased fuel flow and no vacuum (one less hose to contend with) appeals to me. The simpler, the better!     

[Udo]

I got the engine hanger covers without the hole, so, i have chrome, and the Pingel. I´ve got big hands, but i can reach the handle.......

[charliepapa]

I just ordered one of these but now that I read this post I'm not sure which one I got.  The only option I saw was chrome (1311-CH) or aluminum (1311-AH).  What's the deal with vac or no vac?  Which one is that?  I hope I got the one without...

[Udo]

The -CH and -AH are non vacuum. With vacuum it is -CHV and -AHV.....

[Sodbuster]

So .... what's it like to turn to reserve (Pingle) when you're driving down the road ??

[SANDMAN5]

So .... what's it like to turn to reserve (Pingle) when you're driving down the road ??

I've never had a problem. I always turn to reserve after getting gas and run a few minutes
before turning to "on". Never been a problem, even with my winter gloves.

[Haulin2]

I understand that another advantage of a manual turn-off valve is that you will never get the dreaded hydro-lock, assuming you turn off the valve every time you stop the bike.

[Rocketman]

So .... what's it like to turn to reserve (Pingle) when you're driving down the road ??

Piece of cake, once you get used to where it is.  Sit on the bike and reach for it a few times, then you'll be able to get to it without any trouble at all while moving.

[Udo]

I have the engine hanger covers mounted, and large hands. I can reach the handle even with gloves (ok, maybe not with gloves for arctic weather  ).

[Hondasan]

I forget to turn off occaisionaly- worried about hydrolock,so I got the vacuum ($$ !)

Works perfect. I like to leave it in reserve all the time-I think having reserve is psychological, not practicle, but that's me.

The gas tube inlet is a slight smaller diameter (I think- or maybe just smoother?) then the  stock - so taking fuel hose on/off/on/off (you get the picture) is easier. I took off my quick relese valve when I installed it as it was so easy- one less failure point (had a quick release go on me once)

I also use a longer fuel line then stock- more room for fiddling- same for vaccuum- vent is best stock so you don't kink it

Some use a real long peice and make a loop (up along side the petcock, ending next to the gas outlet tube) so that you can put a filter in the loop and a quick release valve and have room for it to fit, and still reach the valve to disconnect before removing tank

[Rocketman]

Works perfect. I like to leave it in reserve all the time-I think having reserve is psychological, not practicle, but that's me.

I am curious what you mean by this.  I don't see how it's any less psychological than a fuel light, or a guage, or an odometer for that matter.

Mark

[gabby]

Howdy Ya"ll
     got my Pingel on the green dragon and refilled with a few gallons of fuel to see if it helped getting it to start.  DID NOT HELP !!!!
I ended up taking the bike to my local Honda dealer due to it not running at all. The mechanic got to look at it today and as I had feared---carbs stuck with gunk from not running. He tells me that all six are going to have to be cleaned completely. He goes on to tell me about his encounters with people using ethenol added fuel were causing tremendous failures of the carbs. He also had a Shadow and a couple others for the same trouble-varnish from the ethenol clogging carbs. Just curious of others if you are having fuel troubles from the use of ethenol added. I know that a lot was from not running it on the highway but I started it quite frequently and let it run for awhile so, lesson learned about running for trips helps keep BruenHilde  running like the beautiful lady she is and will be.

Gabby

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

I will stick to the stock petcock.

I prefer the chrome.   

Mike Terry has a engine hanger that has no hole .   http://valkyrieblingandmore.com/pienhaco.html

[Hondasan]

you are right- works like a reminder that you need gas, not really "extra" gas-that's what I meant by psychologic. I watch my miles. I got a fuel guage (IS tank on a Tourer), but watching miles is mo'betta for me. The fuel guage goes down slow at first- then on empty fast. I make sure I hit a station by 180 miles umless I am in an area with a gas station every 10-20 miles

[Steve K (IA)]

Howdy Ya"ll
     got my Pingel on the green dragon and refilled with a few gallons of fuel to see if it helped getting it to start.  DID NOT HELP !!!!
I ended up taking the bike to my local Honda dealer due to it not running at all. The mechanic got to look at it today and as I had feared---carbs stuck with gunk from not running. He tells me that all six are going to have to be cleaned completely. He goes on to tell me about his encounters with people using ethenol added fuel were causing tremendous failures of the carbs. He also had a Shadow and a couple others for the same trouble-varnish from the ethenol clogging carbs. Just curious of others if you are having fuel troubles from the use of ethenol added. I know that a lot was from not running it on the highway but I started it quite frequently and let it run for awhile so, lesson learned about running for trips helps keep BruenHilde  running like the beautiful lady she is and will be.

Gabby

Well, my I/S is a 2000.  I bought it March 3, 2000...50,000 miles on it now.  There has been nothing but ethanol run in it.   You'd think I would of had a problem long ago if ethanol was a problem.  I run a half can of Sea Foam through it in the middle of summer and when I park it for the winter I add a half can.  Runs like a top.  My '97 Std...bought 4 years ago, same thing.  Can't tell you what had been used in the Std before I got it.   
YMMV

[Bone]

Can you feel the reserve position when you turn the valve?

[Hondasan]

I can't- thats why I leave it on reserve-
it doesn't have a detent like the stock
you can memorize the position of reserve though, I don't feel comforable doing that while riding
The Pingle has less reserve then stock to (Pruor had a fix posted once for this - maybe on the maint page?)

[Rocketman]

you are right- works like a reminder that you need gas, not really "extra" gas-that's what I meant by psychologic. I watch my miles. I got a fuel guage (IS tank on a Tourer), but watching miles is mo'betta for me. The fuel guage goes down slow at first- then on empty fast. I make sure I hit a station by 180 miles umless I am in an area with a gas station every 10-20 miles

It seems to be as close to extra gas as you can get without carrying an extra can and pulling over to refill.  Either way, miles, gauge, or reserve, are all just reminders that you need gasoline.  Some are more reliable than others.  I think the hard reminder of "you've hit reserve" is better than "I usually get ~180 out of the tank".  I nearly got burned on that once, when a headwind dropped my mileage by ~40%, and I wouldn't have noticed it till I was empty if I didn't have a reserve.
"Usually get X miles" only works when things are as usual.

[Rocketman]

Can you feel the reserve position when you turn the valve?

Hondasan is right.  There's no detent, but in my opinion, the there positions are easy to find.  Push it forward till it stops, the valve is closed.  Push it back till it stops, you're on main.  Set it for middle, so that it's pointed directly out to the rider's left, and it's on reserve.  I've never, even when I was learning the Pingel, had a problem with missing the reserve position.  I think it's pretty forgiving of the position.

[Tundra]

I prefer the stock unit, with chrome engine hangers just plain easier on the eyes! I can't look at that ugly empty hole. Rebuild every ten years for a couple of bucks

[Hondasan]

I left my stock fuel valve in place with the engine hanger cover- looks stock, doesn't get in the way
I've though about using the hole for an accessory 12 v - but I don't need it

I think Rocketman is correct- you can feel straight left OK to get to reserve (I just sat on bike to try it again)
I don't think it is as easy as the stock to flip though, so personal choice. I wouldn't do it riding where I am-I brake for deer  in my face very 1-2 days- I like both hands ready. I don't think it woul be a problem on a highway though

Remember you have less fuel on reserve then stock stopcock