Double Standard?

[x]

[tank_post142]

one group (tea party) is peaceful and stating a political stance. the other is violent and disruptive. buy the way: are you even an American citizen? ps: I have no love for the tea party, i believe they are a religious based radical movement and should have no real say in government.

[x]

buy the way: are you even an American citizen?

Does it make a difference?

PS:  It is 'by', not 'buy'... I really wonder about the American educational system with posts like this.

[tank_post142]

you truly are a base creature. your whole purpose it to attack. I would ask the moderators here to remove you. 

[The Anvil]

one group (tea party) is peaceful and stating a political stance. the other is violent and disruptive. buy the way: are you even an American citizen? ps: I have no love for the tea party, i believe they are a religious based radical movement and should have no real say in government.

Disruptive is the very point of protest, even the Tea Party. The goal is to effect change and change is disruptive.

But at protests the very sight of police in numbers makes people very agitated. Had you surrounded the Tea Party people with armored riot cops then things may have turned out differently. Don't forget; they're the ones who came with threatening signs like "We Came Unarmed (this time)". Do you think a person like that isn't capable of violence? For that matter, menace and threats are a form of violence on their own.

The Occupy movement is not "violent". There have been a few ugly, isolated incidents but to call it "violent" is way off. A relatively small percentage of gun owners eventually goes berserk and shoots a bunch of people. Does that mean we refer to gun owners as "violent and murderous"? I hope not.

I think the bigger image problem they have is that stupid human microphone. It makes them seem like a hive-mind. It's creepy.

[Clark]

you truly are a base creature. your whole purpose it to attack. I would ask the moderators here to remove you. 

they wont.. he gets "special" treatment.. personally I'd like to..oh not worth mentioning it.. it will be edited

[tank_post142]

James: I have to agree with you on this one.

[Jack]

Personally, I like opposing views but lets keep it from becoming personal attacks.  And, yes, I am amazed at the number of folks that can't spell or make change.

[alph]

Another difference with the “Tea” party and the “OWS” party is that one group pays taxes, while the other group takes that tax money, sits on their ass, and complain that “wall street” is the root of all evil!

[Westernbiker]

sew thar peepil har can knot spel 2 gud sew wat, wan 2 fite bout it? i wud kik ur but al ovr an sew wud my ma! 
An wut u gon dew clark fraid 2 saa wut u thot bout? 

[The Anvil]

Another difference with the “Tea” party and the “OWS” party is that one group pays taxes,

Actually I know a few people who have attended OWS rallies who are employed and pay taxes. I also know at least one active Tea Party member who until recently was unemployed and on the dole.

[hubcapsc]

When people can't tell the difference between political dissent and disorderly riots, it
makes me wonder what they're smoking in Singapore... whatever, what with the way the
Internal Security Act works over there, both groups of people would have been detained
without trial...

-Mike

[G-Man]

I don't recall any TEA Party folks who are against public assistance to those who need it.  I believe that the Tea Party folks are asking for no increases in taxes now, or until, the gov't checks itself and ceases its nonsensical spending ($16 muffins at an FBI seminar, $200 toilet seats, $300 hammers, $3 million to save a mouse, $5 million for windows at an abandoned train station, etc.), and a balanced budget.  I believe the TEA Party folks, as well as anyone else who actually pays taxes (has skin in the game) are against life-long public assistance to the UNinfirmed and UNdisabled, and the inability or the incompetence of the program adminstrators to do their jobs correctly to avoid this.

I'm a TEA Party supporter and I am NOT religous (so much for not labelling, hunh?)

I hate that these two movements are being compared to each other as they are so completely different and want completely different outcomes.  One wants to fix the system and save the country that they are proud of from what's happening across Europe and the other wants to dismantle the system and break the country that they're not proud of.

Oh, and while we did see ONE racist sign during the many Tea Party gatherings, I've seen several signs and heard many speaches in which the JEWS are being blamed for Wall Street's and the Bank's dealings.

[jer0177]

The government doesn't like a populus that can fight back.  They realize the dangers in it and stay away, lest they lose the battle and face in the process.

[Oss]

I thought about riding the Valkyrie to work but it had just stopped raining
and I didnt want to risk rush hour on slick roads

Does that make me eligible to say I am for whatever group lets me have
the best looking secretary, provided of course that my taxes dont go up
anymore?   Dag was not helpful in scoping out secretaries by the way. He apparently has very high standards.

I dont have a horse in the race yet but you wont catch me telling someone that they are
an imbecile because they have a view.  Now I might think what a load of horse manure is this or that person but I would send them a PM to tell them that they are a fetid bowel movement and not post
the dirty laundry here

Just the way I do it YMMV

Soon I will have enough fodder for another imaginary scenario and it blows my mind that our friend Anvil may be the voice of reason in it    I think we all will recognize the lines uttered by all the others

Just 4 more weeks till Elfing season

[Clark]

sew thar peepil har can knot spel 2 gud sew wat, wan 2 fite bout it? i wud kik ur but al ovr an sew wud my ma! 
An wut u gon dew clark fraid 2 saa wut u thot bout? 

aint skeered.. I just know it'll get deleted.. I'm thinkin Willow might be a member of that mankind project or somethin tho 

[fudgie]

A armed society is a polite society. 

Its not illegal to own or carry guns. It is illegal to riot, which I guess is happening in pic #2. If pic #1 was rioting, then yes, they would be arrested.

[czuch]

I'll throw my lot with the Tea Party.
They shower and have guns.
Never really liked hi[ppies that much and eating outta the dumpster dosent appeal to me that much.
I did live down the street from Frito Lay in San Diego and we had alot of dumpster chips,,,,,
But thats a story for another day.

[..]

Everyone is assuming that the 2 photographs actually represent the core membership of the Tea Party and the OWS.

Strong Eagle lives in Singapore and unless he's recently travelled to the USA and taken these photographs himself he has simply cut and pasted images with words underneath that have no value whatsoever.

He has succeeded in winding up a lot of forum members.

Shame on you for falling into his trap.

[musclehead]

buy the way: are you even an American citizen?

Does it make a difference?

PS:  It is 'by', not 'buy'... I really wonder about the American educational system with posts like this.

there you go into personel attack mode again, I hope I never misspeelll anything.
double standard? no, one is breaking the law intentionally and the other is not.

Mr Tank post they are American and have every right to protest and VOTE and even *GASP* run for office 

[thumper]

Everyone is assuming that the 2 photographs actually represent the core membership of the Tea Party and the OWS.

Strong Eagle lives in Singapore and unless he's recently travelled to the USA and taken these photographs himself he has simply cut and pasted images with words underneath that have no value whatsoever.

He has succeeded in winding up a lot of forum members.

Shame on you for falling into his trap.

+1

[Skinhead]

Soon I will have enough fodder for another imaginary scenario and it blows my mind that our friend Anvil may be the voice of reason in it    I think we all will recognize the lines uttered by all the others

Just 4 more weeks till Elfing season

I CAN"T WAIT!   BRING IT!

[musclehead]

one group (tea party) is peaceful and stating a political stance. the other is violent and disruptive. buy the way: are you even an American citizen? ps: I have no love for the tea party, i believe they are a religious based radical movement and should have no real say in government.

Disruptive is the very point of protest, even the Tea Party. The goal is to effect change and change is disruptive.

But at protests the very sight of police in numbers makes people very agitated. Had you surrounded the Tea Party people with armored riot cops then things may have turned out differently. Don't forget; they're the ones who came with threatening signs like "We Came Unarmed (this time)". Do you think a person like that isn't capable of violence? For that matter, menace and threats are a form of violence on their own.

The Occupy movement is not "violent". There have been a few ugly, isolated incidents but to call it "violent" is way off. A relatively small percentage of gun owners eventually goes berserk and shoots a bunch of people. Does that mean we refer to gun owners as "violent and murderous"? I hope not.

I think the bigger image problem they have is that stupid human microphone. It makes them seem like a hive-mind. It's creepy.

you have a short memory the early tea party events DID have cops coming out in force.
I've seen the videos

[musclehead]

When I get confused by all these movements across America, I fall back on my two ultimate truths. 1. Everything is Obama's fault. 2. Lower taxes will solve all our problems.

and they say you can't teach an old tiger new tricks 

[BF]

Just ignore the Singaporean pot stirrer and he'll finally get tired of posting when no one pays attention him. 

[bigvalkriefan]

Just ignore the Singaporean pot stirrer and he'll finally get tired of posting when no one pays attention him.  

+1  
I've been saying that for a long time.

[The Anvil]

one group (tea party) is peaceful and stating a political stance. the other is violent and disruptive. buy the way: are you even an American citizen? ps: I have no love for the tea party, i believe they are a religious based radical movement and should have no real say in government.

Disruptive is the very point of protest, even the Tea Party. The goal is to effect change and change is disruptive.

But at protests the very sight of police in numbers makes people very agitated. Had you surrounded the Tea Party people with armored riot cops then things may have turned out differently. Don't forget; they're the ones who came with threatening signs like "We Came Unarmed (this time)". Do you think a person like that isn't capable of violence? For that matter, menace and threats are a form of violence on their own.

The Occupy movement is not "violent". There have been a few ugly, isolated incidents but to call it "violent" is way off. A relatively small percentage of gun owners eventually goes berserk and shoots a bunch of people. Does that mean we refer to gun owners as "violent and murderous"? I hope not.

I think the bigger image problem they have is that stupid human microphone. It makes them seem like a hive-mind. It's creepy.

you have a short memory the early tea party events DID have cops coming out in force.
I've seen the videos

I don't recall cops in riot gear. Just regular uniformed officers and they should be present at any large gathering.

[Bonzo]

Tea Party.... Occupy Wall Street......American citizens speaking thier minds and standing up for what they belive. Why? Because they can! In the greatest democracy in the world, The United States Of America.  Liberal, Conservative, what ever we just need to lose the hate.

[The Anvil]

Tea Party.... Occupy Wall Street......American citizens speaking thier minds and standing up for what they belive. Why? Because they can! In the greatest democracy in the world, The United States Of America.  Liberal, Conservative, what ever we just need to lose the hate.

Good post.

[Robert]

I dont see any double standard and each protest had its own agenda. Each had a different area they targeted. The Tea Party was for reform, the Wall Street protesters where there to bring attention to the fat cats on Wall st who are in bed with our politicians who knowingly bilked us out of billions of dollars and when it all came crashing down had the clout to make the American tax payer cover the bill. With NO arrests, jail time, penalties or anything else that would speak of fairness and government controls working as they should. Plus receiving trillions in tarp money. So one protested, organized in a large area not in the main money making area. While the other took their dissatisfaction to the place of money control and power and if you do that then expect to be slapped. The laws of NY wouldn't have allowed them to bring guns so there would have really been ww3. Maybe you mean the unfairness in the fact that they arrested and harass the Wall Street protesters and yet let the real robbers of our time go with nary a whimper. How is it that so many on this board can be so against the wall streeters yet think its ok to rob us? We should ALL be out there. since when did stocks become a secure investment that had to be covered by the Federal government? Most would shoot someone who tried to take their money and yet let this behavior go on. Most are trying to make ends meet and haven't really got a raise and with the Federal Reserve just printing money if you did get a raise then it was already eaten up by inflation and the devaluation of the dollar. Even if you have money in stocks or in a bank and you earned interest you still lost money. Yet I see no one upset at the real cause of this whole mess except the Wall Streeters. More and more slip below the poverty level not only because the unemployment rate is more like 15 percent but because of inflation and the Fed printing money.

[The Anvil]

I dont see any double standard and each protest had its own agenda. Each had a different area they targeted. The Tea Party was for reform, the Wall Street protesters where there to bring attention to the fat cats on Wall st who are in bed with our politicians who knowingly bilked us out of billions of dollars and when it all came crashing down had the clout to make the American tax payer cover the bill. With NO arrests, jail time, penalties or anything else that would speak of fairness and government controls working as they should. Plus receiving trillions in tarp money. So one protested, organized in a large area not in the main money making area. While the other took their dissatisfaction to the place of money control and power and if you do that then expect to be slapped. The laws of NY wouldn't have allowed them to bring guns so there would have really been ww3. Maybe you mean the unfairness in the fact that they arrested and harass the Wall Street protesters and yet let the real robbers of our time go with nary a whimper. How is it that so many on this board can be so against the wall streeters yet think its ok to rob us? We should ALL be out there. since when did stocks become a secure investment that had to be covered by the Federal government? Most would shoot someone who tried to take their money and yet let this behavior go on. Most are trying to make ends meet and haven't really got a raise and with the Federal Reserve just printing money if you did get a raise then it was already eaten up by inflation and the devaluation of the dollar. Even if you have money in stocks or in a bank and you earned interest you still lost money. Yet I see no one upset at the real cause of this whole mess except the Wall Streeters. More and more slip below the poverty level not only because the unemployment rate is more like 15 percent but because of inflation and the Fed printing money.

I agree for the most part, but you have to admit that there's an element of left wing ideologues present at the occupy events.

Personally I don't like ideology be it left, right, up or down. Ideology is for simpletons who have no grasp on the nature of humans, the complexity of their needs and how they behave in numbers that swell into the hundreds of millions. Ideology does not make provisions for the way the other side (be it population centers or flyover country) lives and breathes. The ideology of the rural goose is not necessarily good for the city gander and vice versa. There are only right and wrongs that we should all be able to agree on, but it's not even that simple.

What people should be focusing on in either movement are the universal truths championed in each one. The words at the top of the DoI read WE THE PEOPLE, not "WE THE WEALTHY PEOPLE". It's WRONG to allow those with concentrated wealth to influence policy making that is not the will of the majority. It's WRONG to manipulate policy so that the middle class shoulders the brunt of the tax burden while the wealthiest classes collect the coin. It's WRONG that America spends as much as it does on colonial pursuits, empire building and foreign aid while Americans are in need. We are more like a monarchy than Britain was in the early 1700's and we don't have a king. We have many.

The original Tea Party (the Boston one) was not a protest against taxes in general, it was a protest against taxation without representation. Taxes are necessary in a civilized society. They just are. Colonists knew this. The founding fathers knew this. That's why there are provisions for taxing Americans. But whether Tea Party member or Occupier, neither should feel properly represented by what we have now. The middle class Americans who comprise these groups should be pen-pals if not soul mates, but the forces that hijacked the Tea Party and the opportunistic forces on the left that seek to do the same to the Occupy movement have them pitted against each other. They have a lot more in common than either realizes but people keep telling them to hate each other so they do. We're our own worst enemy sometimes.

[Moonshot_1]

Should have tazered the guy till he would walk his lazy ass to jail.
But they were nice and carried him.