Ya Can't FIx Stupid.....

[bassman]

A guy was driving when he saw the flash of a traffic camera.
 
He figured that his picture had been taken for exceeding the limit even
though he knew that he was not speeding.
 
Just to be sure, he went around the block and passed the same spot, driving
even more slowly, but again the camera flashed.
 
Now he began to think that this was quite funny, so he drove even slower as
he passed the area once more, but the traffic camera again flashed.
 
He tried a fourth and fifth time with the same results and was now laughing
as the camera flashed while he rolled past at a snail's pace.
 
Two weeks later, he got five tickets in the mail for driving without a seat
belt.
 
Ya can't fix stupid.
 

[The Anvil]

In my opinion this idea that "you can't fix stupid" is exactly why it's so rampant.

[Gryphon Rider]

These enforcement cameras are unbelievably sophisticated to spot a seat belt infraction.

[Chrisj CMA]

These enforcement cameras are unbelievably sophisticated to spot a seat belt infraction.

same thought here.....made me think it was just a joke, but the point is true still

[highcountry]

We just had a news spot about traffic cameras in Denver.  The way that the cameras work here, a ticket is issued when a car crosses a line next to the crosswalk on a red light.  If your bumper crosses that line a few inches, you get a ticket whether you stopped or not.  When the police were confronted about that, they were adamant that the driver deserved the ticket even though the driver stopped at the light. KAPOW!  $75 ticket!

OTOH, Colorado Springs just disabled all their traffic cameras which were just installed a few weeks ago stating something about not being effective.

[Daniel Meyer]

The stupid part is that a grown man can be fined for choosing not to wear a seatbelt...and we as the public accept this. How the hell did we get here.

[Serk]

The stupid part is that a grown man can be fined for choosing not to wear a seatbelt...and we as the public accept this. How the hell did we get here.

One small "Common Sense" step at a time...

[The Anvil]

The stupid part is that a grown man can be fined for choosing not to wear a seatbelt...and we as the public accept this. How the hell did we get here.

Because not wearing a seatbelt can actually contribute to the carnage in an accident. That and there's NO VALID ARGUMENT for not wearing one. The only argument is that you don't like it but the safety of others you share the road with trumps that petty complaint.

[Daniel Meyer]

The stupid part is that a grown man can be fined for choosing not to wear a seatbelt...and we as the public accept this. How the hell did we get here.

Because not wearing a seatbelt can actually contribute to the carnage in an accident. That and there's NO VALID ARGUMENT for not wearing one. The only argument is that you don't like it but the safety of others you share the road with trumps that petty complaint.

No valid argument for riding a motorcycle either...

[The Anvil]

The stupid part is that a grown man can be fined for choosing not to wear a seatbelt...and we as the public accept this. How the hell did we get here.

Because not wearing a seatbelt can actually contribute to the carnage in an accident. That and there's NO VALID ARGUMENT for not wearing one. The only argument is that you don't like it but the safety of others you share the road with trumps that petty complaint.

No valid argument for riding a motorcycle either...

Oh yes there are. There are a lot of benefits to riding a motorcycle vs. a car if you can do it well. The Valkyrie does not take advantage of most of them but choose the right mount and there are a lot of benefits.

But like riding a motorcycle without a helmet will not be the cause of an accident, riding without eye protection could be. Eye protection (not helmets) and seatbelts are spiritual cousins.

[Valkahuna]

The stupid part is that a grown man can be fined for choosing not to wear a seatbelt...and we as the public accept this. How the hell did we get here.

Because not wearing a seatbelt can actually contribute to the carnage in an accident. That and there's NO VALID ARGUMENT for not wearing one. The only argument is that you don't like it but the safety of others you share the road with trumps that petty complaint.

No valid argument for riding a motorcycle either...

Putting a smile on my face should count , doesn't it?    Seriously Daniel, I understand what you are saying. There is no valid argument for not wearing a helmet, yet I do not support mandatory helmet laws. Some try to use the fact that a large  number of kids that get killed accidentally because someone was careless with their firearm as an argument against the right to bear arms, and we all know that is ridiculous.

So, this takes us full circle. You can't fix stupid . If people weren't stupid, we would not need laws to get them to do what is common sense!

[Momz]

I have to agree 100% with Daniel Meyer.

Do we really need "Big Brother" in our lives? What happened to Americans "Questioning Authority", or at least holding our taxspenders accountable?

[Hoser]

+1, I used a seat belt and wore a helmet a long time before either was mandatory.  But that is MY choice, not big brother's!     Hoser

[The Anvil]

I have to agree 100% with Daniel Meyer.

Do we really need "Big Brother" in our lives? What happened to Americans "Questioning Authority", or at least holding our taxspenders accountable?

As it pertains to you and you alone that's fine. But you're wrong about seat belts.

Once while driving along Old Route 1 in Newburyport , MA I had a chunk of granite curb fall off of a truck in front of me (I was driving a ten-wheel flatbed at the time). I could not stop in time and the road is two lanes with marsh on either side and traffic coming both ways. I had no choice but to slow it down and then hit it. In the collision I hit the ceiling of the cab hard enough to see stars and chipped a tooth, blew out a tire too. I'm pretty certain that had I not been wearing a seatbelt that I may very well have wound up out of the driver's seat and either in the marsh or in oncoming traffic.

So the point is that your romantic notions of freedom are secondary to the other people you share the road with. Seat belts do more than raise your chances of surviving a wreck. They may actually prevent a wreck or minimize it's impact by keeping you where you should be; behind the wheel and in a position to maintain control of the vehicle.

[f6gal]

But like riding a motorcycle without a helmet will not be the cause of an accident, riding without eye protection could be. Eye protection (not helmets) and seatbelts are spiritual cousins.

 ??? What??  Spiritual cousins?  Exactly how does not wearing a seatbelt CAUSE an accident?

[The Anvil]

But like riding a motorcycle without a helmet will not be the cause of an accident, riding without eye protection could be. Eye protection (not helmets) and seatbelts are spiritual cousins.

 ??? What??  Spiritual cousins?  Exactly how does not wearing a seatbelt CAUSE an accident?

I already explained that a couple posts ago.

[Ricky-D]

I'm going out right now and install a seatbelt on my Valkyrie.

And, yes I do wear a helmet when driving my car!

***

[The Anvil]

I'm going out right now and install a seatbelt on my Valkyrie.

And, yes I do wear a helmet when driving my car!

***

Something tells me you have a hockey helmet on wherever you go. 

[Trynt]

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I'm pretty certain that had I not been wearing a seatbelt that I may very well have wound up out of the driver's seat and either in the marsh or in oncoming traffic.
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I'm pretty certain the majority on this board would be pulling for oncoming traffic!

[RoadKill]

In my opinion this idea that "you can't fix stupid" is exactly why it's so rampant.

Ignorance can be fixed, not stupid.....but stupid should HURT!

[The Anvil]

I'm pretty certain that had I not been wearing a seatbelt that I may very well have wound up out of the driver's seat and either in the marsh or in oncoming traffic.
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I'm pretty certain the majority on this board would be pulling for oncoming traffic!
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Spare me your poisonous barbs!





Seriously though, I was in a big truck. 95% of traffic would have been at a decided disadvantage.

[scoot]

 Once while driving along Old Route 1 in Newburyport , MA I had a chunk of granite curb fall off of a truck in front of me (I was driving a ten-wheel flatbed at the time). I could not stop in time and the road is two lanes with marsh on either side and traffic coming both ways. I had no choice but to slow it down and then hit it.

 I would question whether you had your vehicle under control. If you could not stop in time to avoid hitting the object that fell off the truck in front of you.

[The Anvil]

Once while driving along Old Route 1 in Newburyport , MA I had a chunk of granite curb fall off of a truck in front of me (I was driving a ten-wheel flatbed at the time). I could not stop in time and the road is two lanes with marsh on either side and traffic coming both ways. I had no choice but to slow it down and then hit it.

 I would question whether you had your vehicle under control. If you could not stop in time to avoid hitting the object that fell off the truck in front of you.

Let's drop an 800lb piece of stone in front of you on a two lane road and see how you do.

But that's irrelevant. Fact is; the seat belt kept me in the seat where I needed to be. That's the important part.

[scoot]

Once while driving along Old Route 1 in Newburyport , MA I had a chunk of granite curb fall off of a truck in front of me (I was driving a ten-wheel flatbed at the time). I could not stop in time and the road is two lanes with marsh on either side and traffic coming both ways. I had no choice but to slow it down and then hit it.

 I would question whether you had your vehicle under control. If you could not stop in time to avoid hitting the object that fell off the truck in front of you.

Let's drop an 800lb piece of stone in front of you on a two lane road and see how you do.

But that's irrelevant. Fact is; the seat belt kept me in the seat where I needed to be. That's the important part.

I was just saying.....And if that was a child running out in front of you, you would have killed him....But, you would have remained in your seat. I understand.

[The Anvil]

Once while driving along Old Route 1 in Newburyport , MA I had a chunk of granite curb fall off of a truck in front of me (I was driving a ten-wheel flatbed at the time). I could not stop in time and the road is two lanes with marsh on either side and traffic coming both ways. I had no choice but to slow it down and then hit it.

 I would question whether you had your vehicle under control. If you could not stop in time to avoid hitting the object that fell off the truck in front of you.

Let's drop an 800lb piece of stone in front of you on a two lane road and see how you do.

But that's irrelevant. Fact is; the seat belt kept me in the seat where I needed to be. That's the important part.

I was just saying.....And if that was a child running out in front of you, you would have killed him....But, you would have remained in your seat. I understand.

A child would have been smeared all over the road and I may never have even felt it. Again, your point is irrelevant.

[3W-lonerider]

And heres one for you anvil. and the rest of you that think seatbelts save everyones life all the time.
I used to work for a trash company hauling rolloff dumpsters. i was in charge of all drivers under me.
one of my drivers was coming up a 2-lane road and there was a dumptruck pulling a trailer hauling a bulldozer the opposite direction. they met on a curve with the dumptruck on the inside of the curve.
 the dumptruck driver had just picked up that bulldozer 10 minutes before this and loaded it onto a trailer that had ice on it..
 The bulldozer was chained down properly 2 chains on the blade 2 chains on the rear and 2 chains in the middle..
When that trailer went into the curve the dozer slid on the ice that was never removed from the trailer and broke every chain holding it down.
 that dozer then slid off the trailer and slid across the road and hit my driver at the left front wheel..and proceded to push my driver right off the road into a tree head-on. when the accident was investigated if my driver would have been wearing a seat belt he would've been crushed to death by the dozer..
 as it stands when the dozer hit him he hit the steering wheel and bounced to the passenger side of that cab. when he hit the tree it threw him on the passenger floor.
 He suffered a broken leg out of the deal..to this day he has a bad limp..but thats still better than being crushed to death by a bulldozer..
 Do i wear my seatbelt. sure do when i'm in maryland and they can pull you over just for that. if i'm in my state or another state where they have to have another afence before they can pull you over..no i do not.

[The Anvil]

And heres one for you anvil. and the rest of you that think seatbelts save everyones life all the time.
I used to work for a trash company hauling rolloff dumpsters. i was in charge of all drivers under me.
one of my drivers was coming up a 2-lane road and there was a dumptruck pulling a trailer hauling a bulldozer the opposite direction. they met on a curve with the dumptruck on the inside of the curve.
 the dumptruck driver had just picked up that bulldozer 10 minutes before this and loaded it onto a trailer that had ice on it..
 The bulldozer was chained down properly 2 chains on the blade 2 chains on the rear and 2 chains in the middle..
When that trailer went into the curve the dozer slid on the ice that was never removed from the trailer and broke every chain holding it down.
 that dozer then slid off the trailer and slid across the road and hit my driver at the left front wheel..and proceded to push my driver right off the road into a tree head-on. when the accident was investigated if my driver would have been wearing a seat belt he would've been crushed to death by the dozer..
 as it stands when the dozer hit him he hit the steering wheel and bounced to the passenger side of that cab. when he hit the tree it threw him on the passenger floor.
 He suffered a broken leg out of the deal..to this day he has a bad limp..but thats still better than being crushed to death by a bulldozer..
 Do i wear my seatbelt. sure do when i'm in maryland and they can pull you over just for that. if i'm in my state or another state where they have to have another afence before they can pull you over..no i do not.

The world is littered with stories about drivers who lived because they weren't wearing seat belts, some of them are even true. But it's far more likely that your life will be saved by one than taken by one. Any other opinion is ignorance and stubbornness.

Maybe that Indy car driver who just died would have lived had he not been belted in. 

[scoot]

Once while driving along Old Route 1 in Newburyport , MA I had a chunk of granite curb fall off of a truck in front of me (I was driving a ten-wheel flatbed at the time). I could not stop in time and the road is two lanes with marsh on either side and traffic coming both ways. I had no choice but to slow it down and then hit it.

 I would question whether you had your vehicle under control. If you could not stop in time to avoid hitting the object that fell off the truck in front of you.

Let's drop an 800lb piece of stone in front of you on a two lane road and see how you do.

But that's irrelevant. Fact is; the seat belt kept me in the seat where I needed to be. That's the important part.

I was just saying.....And if that was a child running out in front of you, you would have killed him....But, you would have remained in your seat. I understand.

A child would have been smeared all over the road and I may never have even felt it. Again, your point is irrelevant.

It is not irrelevant. If you had your vehicle under control you would have been able to stop or avoid hitting the object, period.

"In the collision I hit the ceiling of the cab hard enough to see stars and chipped a tooth, blew out a tire too."  I would also question how if you were wearing your seat belt properly this could have happened.

[The Anvil]

Once while driving along Old Route 1 in Newburyport , MA I had a chunk of granite curb fall off of a truck in front of me (I was driving a ten-wheel flatbed at the time). I could not stop in time and the road is two lanes with marsh on either side and traffic coming both ways. I had no choice but to slow it down and then hit it.

 I would question whether you had your vehicle under control. If you could not stop in time to avoid hitting the object that fell off the truck in front of you.

Let's drop an 800lb piece of stone in front of you on a two lane road and see how you do.

But that's irrelevant. Fact is; the seat belt kept me in the seat where I needed to be. That's the important part.

I was just saying.....And if that was a child running out in front of you, you would have killed him....But, you would have remained in your seat. I understand.

A child would have been smeared all over the road and I may never have even felt it. Again, your point is irrelevant.

It is not irrelevant. If you had your vehicle under control you would have been able to stop or avoid hitting the object, period.

"In the collision I hit the ceiling of the cab hard enough to see stars and chipped a tooth, blew out a tire too."  I would also question how if you were wearing your seat belt properly this could have happened.

It quite common for someone to ask a lot of questions when they understand nothing about the subject they're "discussing". I won't hold it against you. 

[scoot]

Once while driving along Old Route 1 in Newburyport , MA I had a chunk of granite curb fall off of a truck in front of me (I was driving a ten-wheel flatbed at the time). I could not stop in time and the road is two lanes with marsh on either side and traffic coming both ways. I had no choice but to slow it down and then hit it.

 I would question whether you had your vehicle under control. If you could not stop in time to avoid hitting the object that fell off the truck in front of you.

Let's drop an 800lb piece of stone in front of you on a two lane road and see how you do.

But that's irrelevant. Fact is; the seat belt kept me in the seat where I needed to be. That's the important part.

I was just saying.....And if that was a child running out in front of you, you would have killed him....But, you would have remained in your seat. I understand.

A child would have been smeared all over the road and I may never have even felt it. Again, your point is irrelevant.

It is not irrelevant. If you had your vehicle under control you would have been able to stop or avoid hitting the object, period.

"In the collision I hit the ceiling of the cab hard enough to see stars and chipped a tooth, blew out a tire too."  I would also question how if you were wearing your seat belt properly this could have happened.

It quite common for someone to ask a lot of questions when they understand nothing about the subject they're "discussing". I won't hold it against you. 

Or just a tall tail they are asking about.

[3W-lonerider]

It quite common for someone to ask a lot of questions when they understand nothing about the subject they're "discussing". I won't hold it against you

ROFLMAO.. anvil..you've got an answer for everything..sad part about it is..in your mind your always right..there are those of us that look at issues and life from both sides and those that only look at one side.
 you remind me of a hampster i used to have..he'd get in his little wheel and run till he could'nt run no more..and even though that wheel would go either direction he'd always run the same direction.

[RoadKill]

Mandatory seat belts and helmets are just as bad as the warning label on your new toaster that says "WARNING do not use in bath tub" !  If you want to bath with an appliance I encourage that it be done before you reproduce,and if you have already polluted the gene pool, then I encourage it even more! We need population control and signs along the road that state "Road slippery when wet" are fighting Darwinism!

[The Anvil]

It quite common for someone to ask a lot of questions when they understand nothing about the subject they're "discussing". I won't hold it against you

ROFLMAO.. anvil..you've got an answer for everything..sad part about it is..in your mind your always right..there are those of us that look at issues and life from both sides and those that only look at one side.
 you remind me of a hampster i used to have..he'd get in his little wheel and run till he could'nt run no more..and even though that wheel would go either direction he'd always run the same direction.

What a coincidence. You remind me of a gerbil I once knew.

[RoadKill]

It quite common for someone to ask a lot of questions when they understand nothing about the subject they're "discussing". I won't hold it against you

ROFLMAO.. anvil..you've got an answer for everything..sad part about it is..in your mind your always right..there are those of us that look at issues and life from both sides and those that only look at one side.
 you remind me of a hampster i used to have..he'd get in his little wheel and run till he could'nt run no more..and even though that wheel would go either direction he'd always run the same direction.

What a coincidence. You remind me of a gerbil I once knew.

We DO NOT want to know what happened to your gerbil!  T.M.I!

[Momz]

How many school buses have seat belts?
Detroits school buses never had and proably never will. School buses are being eliminated.

[The Anvil]

It quite common for someone to ask a lot of questions when they understand nothing about the subject they're "discussing". I won't hold it against you

ROFLMAO.. anvil..you've got an answer for everything..sad part about it is..in your mind your always right..there are those of us that look at issues and life from both sides and those that only look at one side.
 you remind me of a hampster i used to have..he'd get in his little wheel and run till he could'nt run no more..and even though that wheel would go either direction he'd always run the same direction.

What a coincidence. You remind me of a gerbil I once knew.

We DO NOT want to know what happened to your gerbil!  T.M.I!

I stopped at an appropriate point, now you're drawing your own conclusions. You're a sick individual. 

[RoadKill]

As if you have NO fault in leading towards such conclusions?    But,yes,I agree that you stopping short of an explanation was probably the most appropriate thing we've seen out of you lately!

[f6gal]

But like riding a motorcycle without a helmet will not be the cause of an accident, riding without eye protection could be. Eye protection (not helmets) and seatbelts are spiritual cousins.

??? What??  Spiritual cousins?  Exactly how does not wearing a seatbelt CAUSE an accident?

I already explained that a couple posts ago.

Actually, you didn't.  What you said was, "not wearing a seatbelt can actually contribute to the carnage in an accident."  Which would make it more of a spiritual cousin to the helmet, not eye protection.  It's absence couldn't possibly cause an accident. Rather, it's absence may increase the risk of damage to human organs and tissues if an accident occurs from another cause.

[The Anvil]

But like riding a motorcycle without a helmet will not be the cause of an accident, riding without eye protection could be. Eye protection (not helmets) and seatbelts are spiritual cousins.

??? What??  Spiritual cousins?  Exactly how does not wearing a seatbelt CAUSE an accident?

I already explained that a couple posts ago.

Actually, you didn't. 

Yes, I did.

[The Anvil]

But,yes,I agree that you stopping short of an explanation was probably the most appropriate thing we've seen out of you lately!

Don't get used to it.