Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
Member
Posts: 13848
American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God.
Beautiful east Tennessee ( GOD'S Country )
|
 |
« on: November 19, 2011, 04:47:54 AM » |
|
I'm working along the Tennessee / Kentucky border in Clinton County, Kentucky. Was talking with a old man the other day about my interest in riding my motorcycle to Civil War Battlefields. Many folks here will remember our " The Blue / Gray Ride " to Gettsburg,Pa. I've also been to Chickamauga Battlefield , Perryville Battlefield , Wildcat Battlefield, Droop Mountain , Fort Donelson and several others etc. He was telling me about Champ Ferguson, a legendary Confederate partisan ranger and guerilla fighter, was easily the most notorious among the many such men who fought to control the Upper Cumberland Plateau region along the Tennessee and Kentucky borders. He hooked me up with some information on a couple " places " to check out with information on Champ Ferguson. He also told me that a marker stands where the first Tennessee Confederate soldier was killed that will be where I ride today and see if I can find this marker. If I can beat the dark this evening coming back home I'm going to see if I can find Champ Ferguson's grave site if not that will be another ride  Some good reading below if interested...... Nominally holding the rank of Captain in the Confederate Army, Ferguson led his own company of independent cavalry. When not making the most of every opportunity to harass and intimidate Unionists in the area, Ferguson acted as a scout for Genl. John Hunt Morgan, and was for a time attached to the command of Genl. Joseph Wheeler. His company was under Wheeler's command when they took part in the Battle of Saltville (Virginia). At war's end, Ferguson and his men returned to their homes and, on 23 May, 1865, they were induced by promise of the same parole given to the officers and men of Lee's and Johnston's Confederate Armies to surrender themselves to federal military authorities. All except Ferguson were indeed released on Oath. Champ Ferguson himself was summarily arrested, and charged with over 50 counts of murder. Some of his purported victims remained nameless, and many of the other charges were wholly unsupported by either witnesses or documentation. In a trial at Nashville, lasting from 11 July through 26 September, 1865, a military tribunal called witness after unreliable witness against Ferguson, all the while denying his counsel every opportunity to present a competent case in his defense. On 10 October, General Orders affirming his conviction and sentencing him to death by hanging were issued. On Friday, 20 October, 1865, the Order of Execution was carried out while Ferguson's wife Martha and sixteen year old daughter Ann watched. Thus it came to be that Champ Ferguson joined Henry Wirz, Commandant of the Confederate prison at Camp Sumter (Andersonville) as the only two former Confederate's of any rank or position to be executed for supposed "war crimes." The following text is from an "Afterword" to the Ferguson biography mentioned below, and was writen by the son of the author: "I thought I'd found Champ back in 1941 when my father and I went looking for him in that old graveyard on the Calfkiller River. Maybe I was wrong. According to a story I read in the Cookeville Herald-Citizen, there was a conspiracy between Champ and the military. The theory is that the military felt that Champ should not be hanged because many others as guilty as he had been paroled. The story is that the military enclosed the undersection of the scaffold and that a ring of soldiers completely encircled it. When the hangman cut the rope and Champ dropped through the trap door, they quickly untied the loose knot and placed Champ in the casket alive. The casket was then placed on a waiting wagon which Champ's wife and daughter drove out of town. When they were out of Nashville, Champ climbed out of the casket and the three rode all the way to Indian Territory in Oklahoma, where they took new names and took up farming and ranching for a living." "It's an interesting story. But if it's true, who is buried in the grave I found marked "Capt. C. Furguson"? Are we to assume that his wife Martha didn't know how to spell his name? Or that someone else in on the conspiracy misspelled it and put up a stab of limestone at a fake grave so that everybody would think Champ had really been hanged? What did Colonel Shafter whisper to Champ in a low undertone that made Champ's face light up noticeably? Did he tell him about the conspiracy and that he would be saved by the military?" We'll never know, and the legend lives on...   |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
 I've seen alot of people that thought they were cool , but then again Lord I've seen alot of fools. |
|
|
scoot
Member
Posts: 909
Lifes too short Ride it hard
Grand Rapids Mi.
|
|
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2011, 05:18:50 AM » |
|
The Civil War history fasinates me. It was simply amazing what both sides did with what they had to work with. I lived in Richmond Va. growing up, but never realized the history that was around me. On a trip back there several years ago the wife and I spent a week just going to some of the most out of the way battlefields. It was breath taking just to stand where so many lost their lives in battle. You could feel the gun and cannon fire, the cry and agony. The Confederate White House isn't something to be missed, neither.
What a great reason to ride. Have fun, and get some pictures.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
 Some like to ride Fat boys, I think I'll stay with the fat lady |
|
|
|
|
Skinhead
Member
Posts: 8763
J. A. B. O. A.
Troy, MI
|
|
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2011, 07:43:21 AM » |
|
What is the area around Andersonville prison camp like? I have always been interested in the POW camps and if the riding is good, that might make for a good trip. Anyone been there?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
 Troy, MI |
|
|
|
old2soon
|
|
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2011, 07:53:13 AM » |
|
As everyone here is more than aware of war IS NOT healthy for children and other living things. The thing that will most likely never change is that the victor gets to not only write the history of the war/conflict but they also get to lay the blame at the feet of a very select few who who the victors deem guilty of "war crimes". Forgetting that the war itself was the actual crime!! History itself can be very cruel. That is a nice little twist at the end. Would be even better if we knew it were true. Joe-thanks for the small history lesson. RIDE SAFE my friend.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Today is the tommorow you worried about yesterday. If at first you don't succeed screw it-save it for nite check. 1964 1968 U S Navy. Two cruises off Nam.
VRCCDS0240 2012 GL1800 Gold Wing Motor Trike conversion
|
|
|
|
..
|
|
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2011, 07:56:56 AM » |
|
What is the area around Andersonville prison camp like? I have always been interested in the POW camps and if the riding is good, that might make for a good trip. Anyone been there?
Flat, agricultural. I have ridden Hwy 19 south from Atlanta to Steinhatchee FL. That was a ride that opened my eyes to Georgias past. A lot of small towns that haven't changed very much and some good BBQ being served up in old wooden houses |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
MacDragon
Member
Posts: 1970
My first Valk VRCC# 32095
Middleton, Mass.
|
|
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2011, 07:59:05 AM » |
|
It's too bad... War does not determine who is "right" ,... just who is "left"... War is  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
 Ride fast and take chances... uh, I mean... ride safe folks. Patriot Guard Riders |
|
|
Gear Jammer
Member
Posts: 3074
Yeah,,,,,It's a HEMI
Magnolia, Texas
|
|
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2011, 09:03:35 AM » |
|
Great post Joe Never get too much history about the War of Northern Aggression !! Keep em coming  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
 "The problems we face today exist because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living. |
|
|
|
Red Diamond
|
|
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2011, 09:55:36 AM » |
|
I've visited some of those Battle Grounds in Virginia. If I recall, leaving Manassas on Hwy 66, there are some very beautiful Memorials. I think Hwy 66 goes all the way up to the beginning of Skyline Drive of the Shanandoah mountains. We studied a lot about the Civil War in American History.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
 If you are riding and it is a must that you keep your eyes on the road, you are riding too fast. |
|
|
|
Pete
|
|
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2011, 01:29:29 PM » |
|
Andersonville is well worth visiting. You will be amazed that so many were imprisoned in such a small area.
It also a national military burial site for several wars.
The area is fine for riding, mostly two lane rural roads, small towns.
Warm Springs, GA is not to far away with the "Little White House " and mineral springs used by President Roosevelt. Nice quaint little town. Again mostly rural two lane but with ridges and curves mixed in.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
BigAl
Guest
|
|
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2011, 03:55:47 PM » |
|
Andersonville was a hell hole.
But should be alright for todays tourist.
Executed the commander of the place.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
BIG--T
Member
Posts: 3002
1998 Standard, 2000 Interstate
The Twilight Zone
|
|
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2011, 05:30:51 PM » |
|
Andersonville was a hell hole.
But should be alright for todays tourist.
Executed the commander of the place.
Al described it right, it is a hell hole. Graves all around and I could just feel death and torture. If you ever see it and read some history you'll never forget it! |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
Member
Posts: 13848
American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God.
Beautiful east Tennessee ( GOD'S Country )
|
|
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2011, 05:32:40 PM » |
|
Andersonville was a hell hole.
But should be alright for todays tourist.
Executed the commander of the place.
Al described it right, it is a hell hole. Graves all around and I could just feel death and torture. If you ever see it and read some history you'll never forget it! Let's get a ride up going there....I'm ready |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I've seen alot of people that thought they were cool , but then again Lord I've seen alot of fools. |
|
|
|
Farther
|
|
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2011, 06:51:18 PM » |
|
Both my mother and father are buried at Andersonville National Cemetary. I live in Northern CA and my brother lives in central MN. In about 1&1/2 years when I turn 62 I hope to talk my brother into riding down to see their graves. I was there in '84 after my father died but have not been there since my mother died in '08. It should be a good ride, we still have family in the South including my oldest daughter in Nashville, TN.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Thanks,
~Farther
|
|
|
Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
Member
Posts: 13848
American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God.
Beautiful east Tennessee ( GOD'S Country )
|
|
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2011, 07:00:03 PM » |
|
Both my mother and father are buried at Andersonville National Cemetary. I live in Northern CA and my brother lives in central MN. In about 1&1/2 years when I turn 62 I hope to talk my brother into riding down to see their graves. I was there in '84 after my father died but have not been there since my mother died in '08. It should be a good ride, we still have family in the South including my oldest daughter in Nashville, TN.
You did'nt go to your Mom's funeral ? Not really any of my business so no need to comment . |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I've seen alot of people that thought they were cool , but then again Lord I've seen alot of fools. |
|
|
|
Farther
|
|
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2011, 07:12:35 PM » |
|
My Mother's memorial was in Minnesota and I drove out for that and then her ashes were mailed to Andersonville for inturnment with my Father's ashes.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Thanks,
~Farther
|
|
|
Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
Member
Posts: 13848
American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God.
Beautiful east Tennessee ( GOD'S Country )
|
|
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2011, 07:32:00 PM » |
|
My Mother's memorial was in Minnesota and I drove out for that and then her ashes were mailed to Andersonville for inturnment with my Father's ashes.
No one in my family has ever been cremated . I have a huge field between my house and the Church cemetery where all my family is buried. I can look out my bedroom window and see the headstones.I only know one person that has been cremated he was a good friend in our younger years and was killed in a house fire.They took his remains to his Mom's gravesite and pretty much stomped out a place by her headstone and poured him out  My Grand-Mother always said " The soul does'nt rest without a headstone " . I've bought ( 4 ) headstones in my working life the one that still haunts me is the one I got Matthew my 3 year old nephew who was brutally beat to death in Ocala, Fl by some monster his whore Mom ran off with. As I stated above it was'nt any of my business I should'nt even posted that. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I've seen alot of people that thought they were cool , but then again Lord I've seen alot of fools. |
|
|
BIG--T
Member
Posts: 3002
1998 Standard, 2000 Interstate
The Twilight Zone
|
|
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2011, 04:04:00 AM » |
|
My Mother's memorial was in Minnesota and I drove out for that and then her ashes were mailed to Andersonville for inturnment with my Father's ashes.
No one in my family has ever been cremated . I have a huge field between my house and the Church cemetery where all my family is buried. I can look out my bedroom window and see the headstones.I only know one person that has been cremated he was a good friend in our younger years and was killed in a house fire.They took his remains to his Mom's gravesite and pretty much stomped out a place by her headstone and poured him out My Grand-Mother always said " The soul does'nt rest without a headstone " . I've bought ( 4 ) headstones in my working life the one that still haunts me is the one I got Matthew my 3 year old nephew who was brutally beat to death in Ocala, Fl by some monster his whore Mom ran off with. As I stated above it was'nt any of my business I should'nt even posted that. Joe I am sorry to hear about your 3 year old nephew, that had to be a hard pill to swallow. I know if he were mine I'd probably be in jail for murder! I assume is was you brother's son? I assume this has been a long time ago and I hope he got the electric chair!! Putting them to sleep with a needle and making their death as comfy and painless as possible just don't cut it with me! I bet a lot of terminally ill patients in constant pain would love that! JMHO. Joe I'm up for the ride, how about this Thursday -Saturday?  |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: November 20, 2011, 04:52:55 AM by BIG--T »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
Member
Posts: 13848
American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God.
Beautiful east Tennessee ( GOD'S Country )
|
|
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2011, 05:05:08 AM » |
|
My Mother's memorial was in Minnesota and I drove out for that and then her ashes were mailed to Andersonville for inturnment with my Father's ashes.
No one in my family has ever been cremated . I have a huge field between my house and the Church cemetery where all my family is buried. I can look out my bedroom window and see the headstones.I only know one person that has been cremated he was a good friend in our younger years and was killed in a house fire.They took his remains to his Mom's gravesite and pretty much stomped out a place by her headstone and poured him out My Grand-Mother always said " The soul does'nt rest without a headstone " . I've bought ( 4 ) headstones in my working life the one that still haunts me is the one I got Matthew my 3 year old nephew who was brutally beat to death in Ocala, Fl by some monster his whore Mom ran off with. As I stated above it was'nt any of my business I should'nt even posted that. Joe I am sorry to hear about your 3 year old nephew, that had to be a hard pill to swallow. I know if he were mine I'd probably be in jail for murder! I assume is was you brother's son? I assume this has been a long time ago and I hope he got the electric chair!! Putting them to sleep with a needle and making their death as comfy and painless as possible just don't cut it with me! I bet a lot of terminally ill patients in constant pain would love that! JMHO. Joe I'm up for the ride, how about this Thursday or Friday? I'm game! Matthew was murdered on June 10 , 2005. Yes he was my little brothers son . The monster that killed him was his Mom's ( <---I hate to even use the word Mom when talking about this whore ) boyfrirnd she ran off from Tennessee with....He was caught that night just down the street from where they was staying at a market still covered in Matthew's blood ....The next morning he hung himself in the Marion County jail in Ocala,Fl.....June 10, 2005 was a day Heaven got one ....June 11, 2005 was a day Hell got one. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I've seen alot of people that thought they were cool , but then again Lord I've seen alot of fools. |
|
|
BIG--T
Member
Posts: 3002
1998 Standard, 2000 Interstate
The Twilight Zone
|
|
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2011, 05:24:13 AM » |
|
My Mother's memorial was in Minnesota and I drove out for that and then her ashes were mailed to Andersonville for inturnment with my Father's ashes.
No one in my family has ever been cremated . I have a huge field between my house and the Church cemetery where all my family is buried. I can look out my bedroom window and see the headstones.I only know one person that has been cremated he was a good friend in our younger years and was killed in a house fire.They took his remains to his Mom's gravesite and pretty much stomped out a place by her headstone and poured him out My Grand-Mother always said " The soul does'nt rest without a headstone " . I've bought ( 4 ) headstones in my working life the one that still haunts me is the one I got Matthew my 3 year old nephew who was brutally beat to death in Ocala, Fl by some monster his whore Mom ran off with. As I stated above it was'nt any of my business I should'nt even posted that. Joe I am sorry to hear about your 3 year old nephew, that had to be a hard pill to swallow. I know if he were mine I'd probably be in jail for murder! I assume is was you brother's son? I assume this has been a long time ago and I hope he got the electric chair!! Putting them to sleep with a needle and making their death as comfy and painless as possible just don't cut it with me! I bet a lot of terminally ill patients in constant pain would love that! JMHO. Joe I'm up for the ride, how about this Thursday or Friday? I'm game! Matthew was murdered on June 10 , 2005. Yes he was my little brothers son . The monster that killed him was his Mom's ( <---I hate to even use the word Mom when talking about this whore ) boyfrirnd she ran off from Tennessee with....He was caught that night just down the street from where they was staying at a market still covered in Matthew's blood ....The next morning he hung himself in the Marion County jail in Ocala,Fl.....June 10, 2005 was a day Heaven got one ....June 11, 2005 was a day Hell got one. I sure am sorry for your loss especially under those gruesome circumstances. I'm glad they caught him and he saved the taxpayers money, always a possibility of getting off or waitng over 20 years for his execution. Yes Matthew is with Jesus and that guy is in hell even as we speak!..and forever!! |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Skinhead
Member
Posts: 8763
J. A. B. O. A.
Troy, MI
|
|
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2011, 06:19:37 AM » |
|
I've seen several movies (not very realistic I'm sure), and read a few books about Andersonville, but it's been awhile. The place has always interested me. I find 3 things that happened there fascinating, 1) that the prisoners there, who were on the same side, could turn on each other the way they did, 2) That humans can survive truly appalling situations (Holocaust survivors are another example), and 3) That people can treat each other the way they did and do.
I realize that the south didn't have enough to supply their own forces, yet alone POW's, but keeping men in captivity under those conditions, with out meeting even their most basic needs, is just wrong.
The camp commander was tried and I believe executed as a war criminal, and I have mixed feelings about that. He was following orders, with no support to provide for the prisoners. cursed if you do cursed if you don't.
I'd be interested in riding there.
Joe, I'm really sorry about your nephew, I'm also sorry that his killer got off lightly, a little payback would have been nice. It's too bad there wasn't an Andersonville around to put him in for a few years before delivering final justice.
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: November 20, 2011, 06:21:44 AM by Skinhead »
|
Logged
|
Troy, MI |
|
|
|
BigAl
Guest
|
|
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2011, 07:01:24 AM » |
|
The Prison Camps were a second thought.
Most of the Prisoners were usually exchanged.
But the Civilised Northern Army thought it might be extending the war.
In a brilliant flash of thought, The Union, they discontiued the exchange.
Well both sides suffered for this discision. Andersonville was a direct result of this decision.
So naturally the conquerers decided to hang the camp commander for their mistaken policy of no more exchanges.
William Tecumseh Sherman,,,,may his soul not rest until Kingdom Come, may his bones lay in a swampy place until then.
He was instrumental in more innocents death than any other Commander in the Union.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Bama Red
|
|
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2011, 07:55:00 AM » |
|
Joe, just curious - did either one of those graves have a metal CSA grave marker? The reason I ask is I have one and would gladly donate it for y'all to place at either one of those grave sites. Let me know what you think.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Never corner anything meaner than yourself.
VRCC Member #32561
|
|
|
Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
Member
Posts: 13848
American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God.
Beautiful east Tennessee ( GOD'S Country )
|
|
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2011, 08:09:15 AM » |
|
Joe, just curious - did either one of those graves have a metal CSA grave marker? The reason I ask is I have one and would gladly donate it for y'all to place at either one of those grave sites. Let me know what you think.
No they did not ....Is this marker you speak of something someone would steal ? Can you post or send me a picture of it ? jojovols@comcast.net  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I've seen alot of people that thought they were cool , but then again Lord I've seen alot of fools. |
|
|
Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
Member
Posts: 13848
American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God.
Beautiful east Tennessee ( GOD'S Country )
|
|
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2011, 08:19:44 AM » |
|
I've seen several movies (not very realistic I'm sure), and read a few books about Andersonville, but it's been awhile. The place has always interested me. I find 3 things that happened there fascinating, 1) that the prisoners there, who were on the same side, could turn on each other the way they did, 2) That humans can survive truly appalling situations (Holocaust survivors are another example), and 3) That people can treat each other the way they did and do.
I realize that the south didn't have enough to supply their own forces, yet alone POW's, but keeping men in captivity under those conditions, with out meeting even their most basic needs, is just wrong.
The camp commander was tried and I believe executed as a war criminal, and I have mixed feelings about that. He was following orders, with no support to provide for the prisoners. cursed if you do cursed if you don't.
I'd be interested in riding there.
Joe, I'm really sorry about your nephew, I'm also sorry that his killer got off lightly, a little payback would have been nice. It's too bad there wasn't an Andersonville around to put him in for a few years before delivering final justice.
Joe whenever you plan this ride please let me know with a couple weeks heads up. I'd like to ride down with you .If the northern PMS sets in and you have a trailer come on down you can park at my home and we'll ride down from here.Its about 370 miles from my house to Andersonville ,Ga on the blue roads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andersonville_National_Historic_Site |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: November 20, 2011, 08:24:19 AM by Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005 »
|
Logged
|
I've seen alot of people that thought they were cool , but then again Lord I've seen alot of fools. |
|
|
|
Bama Red
|
|
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2011, 08:29:57 AM » |
|
Joe, unfortunately, it is something that could be stolen. It is a cast iron marker, formed into a stake and is simply stuck in the ground. I'll try to get a pic posted tomorrow.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Never corner anything meaner than yourself.
VRCC Member #32561
|
|
|
Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
Member
Posts: 13848
American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God.
Beautiful east Tennessee ( GOD'S Country )
|
|
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2011, 08:39:58 AM » |
|
Joe, unfortunately, it is something that could be stolen. It is a cast iron marker, formed into a stake and is simply stuck in the ground. I'll try to get a pic posted tomorrow.
It would be my honor to place it on James M. Saufley grave however this cemetery is out in the middle of nowhere and its obvious low-life redneck vandalism has been here before I'd really like to see what you are talking about so if possible please post or send me a picture when you can  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I've seen alot of people that thought they were cool , but then again Lord I've seen alot of fools. |
|
|
KY,Dave (AKA Misunderstood)
Member
Posts: 4146
Specimen #30838 DS #0233
Williamsburg, KY
|
|
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2011, 10:34:29 AM » |
|
Joe, just curious - did either one of those graves have a metal CSA grave marker? The reason I ask is I have one and would gladly donate it for y'all to place at either one of those grave sites. Let me know what you think.
No they did not ....Is this marker you speak of something someone would steal ? Can you post or send me a picture of it ? jojovols@comcast.net One of these ? http://www.flickr.com/photos/30514064@N04/3183197843/# |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
Member
Posts: 13848
American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God.
Beautiful east Tennessee ( GOD'S Country )
|
|
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2011, 10:41:23 AM » |
|
Joe, just curious - did either one of those graves have a metal CSA grave marker? The reason I ask is I have one and would gladly donate it for y'all to place at either one of those grave sites. Let me know what you think.
No they did not ....Is this marker you speak of something someone would steal ? Can you post or send me a picture of it ? jojovols@comcast.net One of these ? http://www.flickr.com/photos/30514064@N04/3183197843/#Yeah that would be gone the next day I'd like to have one of those .I found one on flea-bay ....Thinking about it  |
|
|
|
« Last Edit: November 20, 2011, 10:50:35 AM by Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005 »
|
Logged
|
I've seen alot of people that thought they were cool , but then again Lord I've seen alot of fools. |
|
|
Jack
Member
Posts: 1889
VRCC# 3099, 1999 Valk Standard, 2006 Rocket 3
Benton, Arkansas
|
|
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2011, 02:53:39 PM » |
|
The local CW hero around here is David O Dodd. He was a 15 y/o hung for being a spy SW of Little Rock. He has a street and school named after him. A memorial plaque is located on Hwy 5 not far from here.
My greatgrandfather was in the Confederate Army. He never spoke of it and we only found out when my uncle was doing a geneology search and found the discharge papers.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"It takes a certain kind of nut to ride a motorcycle, and I am that motorcycle nut," Lyle Grimes, RIP August 2009.   |
|
|
Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
Member
Posts: 13848
American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God.
Beautiful east Tennessee ( GOD'S Country )
|
|
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2011, 03:04:56 PM » |
|
The local CW hero around here is David O Dodd. He was a 15 y/o hung for being a spy SW of Little Rock. He has a street and school named after him. A memorial plaque is located on Hwy 5 not far from here.
My greatgrandfather was in the Confederate Army. He never spoke of it and we only found out when my uncle was doing a geneology search and found the discharge papers.
Maybe we'll try to swing that way going to InZane in July 2012...Thanks for sharing the story Jack |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I've seen alot of people that thought they were cool , but then again Lord I've seen alot of fools. |
|
|
Skinhead
Member
Posts: 8763
J. A. B. O. A.
Troy, MI
|
|
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2011, 06:14:15 PM » |
|
I've seen several movies (not very realistic I'm sure), and read a few books about Andersonville, but it's been awhile. The place has always interested me. I find 3 things that happened there fascinating, 1) that the prisoners there, who were on the same side, could turn on each other the way they did, 2) That humans can survive truly appalling situations (Holocaust survivors are another example), and 3) That people can treat each other the way they did and do.
I realize that the south didn't have enough to supply their own forces, yet alone POW's, but keeping men in captivity under those conditions, with out meeting even their most basic needs, is just wrong.
The camp commander was tried and I believe executed as a war criminal, and I have mixed feelings about that. He was following orders, with no support to provide for the prisoners. cursed if you do cursed if you don't.
I'd be interested in riding there.
Joe, I'm really sorry about your nephew, I'm also sorry that his killer got off lightly, a little payback would have been nice. It's too bad there wasn't an Andersonville around to put him in for a few years before delivering final justice.
Joe whenever you plan this ride please let me know with a couple weeks heads up. I'd like to ride down with you .If the northern PMS sets in and you have a trailer come on down you can park at my home and we'll ride down from here.Its about 370 miles from my house to Andersonville ,Ga on the blue roads. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andersonville_National_Historic_SiteThanks, I'll let you know. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Troy, MI |
|
|
|
Bama Red
|
|
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2011, 05:44:06 PM » |
|
Joe, sorry it took so long for me to get back to you. Yes mine is just like the one in the photo - at least it was - my wife took it and sold it at our booth at an antique mall. The girl who rang it up said the buyer was a descendant of a Civil War Vet, so at least it is going to a proper grave (for how ever long it lasts).
I apologize again, but I've been spending more and more time at the bone docs up at Vandy and have not been getting good news from them - may be a year or more before I can ride again - long story...
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Never corner anything meaner than yourself.
VRCC Member #32561
|
|
|
Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
Member
Posts: 13848
American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God.
Beautiful east Tennessee ( GOD'S Country )
|
|
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2011, 06:10:33 PM » |
|
Joe, sorry it took so long for me to get back to you. Yes mine is just like the one in the photo - at least it was - my wife took it and sold it at our booth at an antique mall. The girl who rang it up said the buyer was a descendant of a Civil War Vet, so at least it is going to a proper grave (for how ever long it lasts).
I apologize again, but I've been spending more and more time at the bone docs up at Vandy and have not been getting good news from them - may be a year or more before I can ride again - long story...
I wish you the best with the health problems and thanks for letting me know about the CSA marker ....That would be gone the next day at the Travisville Cemetery its plain to see that vandals have been there before |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I've seen alot of people that thought they were cool , but then again Lord I've seen alot of fools. |
|
|
|
