Another cell phone loudmouth put down.

[John Schmidt]

Two of my pet peeves in a restaurant I've mentioned on here in the past; loudmouth on the cell phone and some dude wearing a cap at the dinner table....usually an ugly, oily thing at that. A couple weeks back I stopped in a little family owned restaurant for breakfast and was just settled when in walks "bigmouth" who was also wearing the ugly cap mentioned above.  This jerk was at least 50' away and I could hear everything he said, in fact I heard him as he was walking across the parking lot. Finally, this grandmotherly type that is the owner walked up to him and kindly asked him to tone it down or maybe step outside. And also, I ask all the men folk to remove their hats/caps in the dining area. This guy didn't even look at her, just waved her off and kept talking so she tapped him on the shoulder and repeated herself. He barked at her to just bring him a #%&*^ menu, some coffee, and leave him alone while he's conduting business. She bristled, then told him she's also conducting business and with that asked him to leave...which he refused to do. So, she said "would you like to meet my two sons?" He asked "who are they, dumb and dumber?"  She said "no, big and bigger."  From his seated position the smallest one must have looked 9' tall and 300 lbs., he visibly gulped and one of the sons asked him if he changed his shirt at least once a week. The guy answered yes. So the son suggested he do likewise with his filthy cap, then told him to either remove it and quiet down....or leave. He left and everyone in the place applauded as he walked out.

As for the cap at the table, I had a short discussion with a couple grandsons a while back on that very subject. We're eating, please remove it before coming to the table. Neither did, so I made everyone sit and wait, my daughter(their mom) lit into them and the caps came off. She then made them sit until everyone was done before leaving the table, these big galoots are 27 & 31, and mama rules the roost. I still chuckle over that one, they sat and squirmed like a couple of five year olds. That's how I taught their mother and her three sisters, and I know that's how she taught them.

[TomT]

 

[SANDMAN5]

 

[solo1]

yeah, I have the same opinion.  Also the same problem but not with my kids, just relation.

I see it in restaurants all the time too.

I learned at home in a hurry , no caps while eating, and also in the military (not sure about today's Army).  I kinda consider it a personal insult if I make the dinner and the caps are not removed.  Sorta like, gotta rush, meals not worth taking the time to take off my cap. 

[Serk]

The talking on the cell phone I get, as it interrupts others but... The caps... Really? How does that hurt you?

And yeah, I wear a cap... Just about all the time... Including when I'm eating... Never been asked or told to remove it, but if that was the rules of the place I was at, I would politely get up and leave, and never give them my business again. I wouldn't make a scene, their place their rules, but I just don't see the big deal about that one...

[The Anvil]

The phone thing I totally get but if you have a problem with my hat then that's tough s**t because unless I'm hot I'm wearing it. It's 2011.

Funny thing about the phones. One day I was at work and was standing at a urinal taking a whiz when a dude comes walking in and sidles up the the urinal next to me and starts talking.

Him: "Hey what's up."
Me: (looking around to see who he's talking to and seeing noone else) "Uh..."
Him: "It's three now, where do you want to meet?"
Me: (now getting kinda weirded out) "Do uh, do we know each other?"
 
That's when he turned to look at me and said; "What?" That's about the time I saw the bluetooth thing in his ear.

Me: "Oh nevermind dude I didn't realize you were on the phone, that was getting weird."

We actually had a good laugh about it and I could hear him telling the person on the other end about it. Good times.

[Valkahuna]

The "No Hats in the House" is a big Pet Peeve of mine! Don't know if it stems from having to do a bunch of Push Ups during Basic Training, or Tech School every time someone in our flight forgot to remove their cap indoors, or something else, but I just don't think it is right! Especially at the table during meals.  

My sons both went to Prep Schools for High School, and since we were only about 6 miles from the school, our house was always a gathering spot for some of the other boys that were boarders or during preseason sports. They were all welcome, but the rules were:

1) Hats off when coming in the house
2) Keep away from my beer in the fridge, and also the liquor cabinet
3) No dis-respect for my wife with foul language.

Never had a problem with any of the boys, and this went on for eight years straight (both sons were 4 years apart in school). I still have a collection of hats that were never picked up, even though the boys were told that they had been left behind and were there to be picked up.

Don't know why, but "hats indoors" still bothers me today. Unfortunately, the practice is getting more common. In the overall scope of things, its a relatively small transgression, that's why I don't know why it is so offensive to me.   Must be the "Military" thing, or maybe since you don't wear it in church either? Dunno, but it does bother me, especially in my home.

[sandy]

Serk: It's just one of those table rules most of us were taught as kids or while in the military.

[rainman]

do you fill the same way about a due-rag???

[R J]

The talking on the cell phone I get, as it interrupts others but... The caps... Really? How does that hurt you?

And yeah, I wear a cap... Just about all the time... Including when I'm eating... Never been asked or told to remove it, but if that was the rules of the place I was at, I would politely get up and leave, and never give them my business again. I wouldn't make a scene, their place their rules, but I just don't see the big deal about that one...

Apparently, you never served time in the Military.   Only time you wore a cap indoors,  is if you were armed.

Another time I'm pissed at wearing cap is during the playing of the National Anthem,  A good example of ignorance is that 1/2 breed on the big hill.   

[The Anvil]

No possibility at all that maybe you're a bit of a control freak? I see no reason why anyone should either be offended by or think they have any say regarding my head wear. Are you going to start bitching me out if I wear white after labor day?

I've got news; if someone doesn't take their hat off indoors or in the holy presence of a meal you made then it's not necessarily a personal slight or a lack of consideration. If I've been wearing a hat all day and it's the time of year when I have hair (like now) then your hair is a silly looking mat. If it's during the height of summer then the hat is likely very sweaty and grubby and taking it off is likely to bring the funk of 40,000 years that Vincent Price spoke of in Thriller.



I will say this though; I will openly mock a man who wears capri pants so I might be a little bit of a hypocrite on this.

[RDAbull]

One of my Grandfathers was from Medina, Texas.  When I was a young sprout, he told me that no
self-respecting man would walk out the door without putting a hat on, and that no self-respecting man would ever wear one indoors.  That was just my Granddad for you, and I know things have changed a bit in the last 60 years, but that still works for me. As for the phones, my first question would be 'why do you want someone listening in on a private conversation?'

[The Anvil]

One of my Grandfathers was from Medina, Texas.  When I was a young sprout, he told me that no
self-respecting man would walk out the door without putting a hat on, and that no self-respecting man would ever wear one indoors.  That was just my Granddad for you, and I know things have changed a bit in the last 60 years, but that still works for me. As for the phones, my first question would be 'why do you want someone listening in on a private conversation?'

Was he a haberdasher by any chance?

[Jess from VA]

He asked "who are they, dumb and dumber?"  She said "no, big and bigger."

Hahahahahahahaha (choke).  

I knew a highly skilled waitress once who could walk by with a tray of full beer mugs, and spill one right on your head without slowing down.  

Yep, hats aren't worn indoors  (except when I go into a 7-11 and never take my helmet off for a quick in and out.

I got tricked into wearing my flight cap into an O Club casual bar (first time ever in one) with an armload of coats.  Someone rang the bell, and I owed for a round of drinks for EVERYONE in the Club. Second day on active duty.  

[big d]

removing ones hat indoors is a sign of respect.

[The Anvil]

A good example of ignorance is that 1/2 breed on the big hill.   

Stupendous ignorance in a thread about respect. Gotta love it. 

[RDAbull]

One of my Grandfathers was from Medina, Texas.  When I was a young sprout, he told me that no
self-respecting man would walk out the door without putting a hat on, and that no self-respecting man would ever wear one indoors.  That was just my Granddad for you, and I know things have changed a bit in the last 60 years, but that still works for me. As for the phones, my first question would be 'why do you want someone listening in on a private conversation?'

Was he a haberdasher by any chance?

No, but that would have fit nicely.  He was retired navy and a small rancher.

[fudgie]

Apparently, you never served time in the Military.   Only time you wore a cap indoors,  is if you were armed.

Another time I'm pissed at wearing cap is during the playing of the National Anthem,  A good example of ignorance is that 1/2 breed on the big hill.   

Guess that means I can wear a hat all the time. 

Agree on the anthem. No head wear.

[RoadKill]

I am not big on manners...BUT I do firmly believe every one should know what they are and NEVER assume they are exempt from them.  You can wear a hat at my diner table,but if my momma (or any other guest) asks you politely to do otherwise you'd better prove you know what manners are. They asked you to take off your sunglasses indoors...Not relinquish your firearm!  Showing some respect is ALWAYS the first step in earning some for yourself!

[shortleg]

  Anvil
   It is just showing that some of us were raised by different
rules. You may feel the hat thing is strange. Alot of us served or
were raised by those that served. And that is just the way it
is with us.
                Shortleg[Dave]

[RoadKill]

  Anvil
   It is just showing that some of us were raised by different
rules. You may feel the hat thing is strange. Alot of us served or
were raised by those that served. And that is just the way it
is with us.
                Shortleg[Dave]

My Dad did 23yrs Army,raised us to know manners and also taught us to know when and where....we fried catfish for diner when we camped and ate with our fingers,Unless Mom came along! and if we took off our hats while Grand-dad was camping with us he'd call us girls (unless Grandma showed up)!

[The Anvil]

  Anvil
   It is just showing that some of us were raised by different
rules. You may feel the hat thing is strange. Alot of us served or
were raised by those that served. And that is just the way it
is with us.
                Shortleg[Dave]

I recognize that's it's somewhat generational, but I think it's kind of ironic that a lot of people will complain to you about the big bad gubmint interfering with their lives and telling them how to live it while in the same breath trying to shove their own ideas about morality and manners down your throat. To me manners have nothing to do with headwear. You can be the most polite person and though your etiquette may be impeccable, your manners can still suck.

[Serk]

The hat thing seems to be very generational.

I was never in the military, but I was born on an Air Force base and was raised by a Captain that was an instructor at OTS in the late 60's, early 70's. Talk about a disciplinarian! That is, until he got RIF'ed by Jimmy Carter (How to make a life long Republican, step one).

I was raised to know my manners, I say please, thank you, yes ma'am, no sir; I hold doors for ladies (Or anyone else that looks like they could use a hand.). I say excuse me, pardon me, I apologize for bumping into someone.

But dictating headdress based on location or situation just seems..... foreign.... to me... I don't get it.

I wear a hat 99% of the time (And unless the sun is in my eyes, I wear it "backwards" too). I've eaten in very up scale restaurants with my hat on many times, the only time I ever had ANYONE comment on it was a high end Thai place we were at asked me to turn my hat around, which I did.

[solo1]

It's sorta like riding.  If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand. 

Evidently the new generation was raised differently.  So be it, I won't argue with it.

Reminds me of an old joke which the younger generation won't get either.

An old gentleman was in an elevator in a public building.  Two young ladies got on at the next floor .  The old gentleman removed his hat.  The two ladies started talking using many four letter words that, at the time, were only heard in public in the Service.   The old gentleman put his hat back on.

[John Schmidt]

Wow, a person can sure tell the age difference just by reading these posts. I was just relating an amusing event, including my table at home, never expected some of the "hat/cap" trash.

As for "who does it hurt?" Nobody....but you knew that.
As for "being a control freak?"  Has nothing to do with it....but you know that.
As for it being "a generational thing!"  Nope, just an excuse....but you also know that.
As for it being "good manners or etiquette?"  That's all it is, pure and simple, nothing more....but you apparently don't know that.

Wayne, I love that joke and you're right, the comments support it 100%.

Moving on!

[The Anvil]

Wow, a person can sure tell the age difference just by reading these posts. I was just relating an amusing event, including my table at home, never expected some of the "hat/cap" trash.

As for "who does it hurt?" Nobody....but you knew that.
As for "being a control freak?"  Has nothing to do with it....but you know that.
As for it being "a generational thing!"  Nope, just an excuse....but you also know that.
As for it being "good manners or etiquette?"  That's all it is, pure and simple, nothing more....but you apparently don't know that.


Moving on!

 

Perhaps the "control freak" thing does not apply to you (and it's wasn't directed at anyone in particular) but it's absolutely a factor for some people.

As for whether someone should care whether or not another person has material covering their head, well they should probably concentrate that concern elsewhere.

[fudgie]

As for whether someone should care whether or not another person has material covering their head, well they should probably concentrate that concern elsewhere.

Unless its a turban. 

[The Anvil]

As for whether someone should care whether or not another person has material covering their head, well they should probably concentrate that concern elsewhere.

Unless its a turban. 

Well, duh. Could be hiding a bomb...

[rainman]

While in the army I was told…….where to go, how long to stay, what to wear, and how to wear if you get the picture. Now I am a big boy and I do what I want when I want. There are times when I have head gear on that I will remove. But if I have been ridding all day I will leave the head gear on (due-rag) after all I think a hat or due-rag looks better sometimes than a head of hair that looks like a rats nest.
Sounds like we should all wear are Sunday best just to go out to eat a grease hamburger.
As for the loud talker on cell phone I agree drives me nuts.  The next time that happens to me I will just get up and go set with that person and help him or her with whatever they are talking about that is if management doesn’t shut them up.
And really hats on or off is in the eyes of the beholder what you believe is not what everyone believes you live you’r life and stop trying to wanting everyone do what you think is right.  To many other thing’s going on in life than to get upset about someone wearing hats in doors. 

[solo1]

A good example of ignorance is that 1/2 breed on the big hill.   

Stupendous ignorance in a thread about respect. Gotta love it. 

Anvil, you could've just disagreed with RJ, you didn't have to take it farther.   Probably 30 years before you were born, RJ  was coming home in a body cast after  serving as a Marine in Korea in 1951.  Five Purple Hearts, IMO, rates a simple "No, I don't agree with what you said", not an equally insulting comment.  Talk about respect!

I could mention what I perceive you are, but I won't.  Perceptions are only in the mind of those that perceive but they're darn hard to change.

[The Anvil]

As for the loud talker on cell phone I agree drives me nuts.  The next time that happens to me I will just get up and go set with that person and help him or her with whatever they are talking about that is if management doesn’t shut them up.
And really hats on or off is in the eyes of the beholder what you believe is not what everyone believes you live you’r life and stop trying to wanting everyone do what you think is right.  To many other thing’s going on in life than to get upset about someone wearing hats in doors. 

That's legitimately annoying and imposing on other people, especially in a movie or something like that.

[The Anvil]

A good example of ignorance is that 1/2 breed on the big hill.   

Stupendous ignorance in a thread about respect. Gotta love it. 

Anvil, you could've just disagreed with RJ, you didn't have to take it farther.   Probably 30 years before you were born, RJ  was coming home in a body cast after  serving as a Marine in Korea in 1951.  Five Purple Hearts, IMO, rates a simple "No, I don't agree with what you said", not an equally insulting comment.  Talk about respect!

I could mention what I perceive you are, but I won't.  Perceptions are only in the mind of those that perceive but they're darn hard to change.

Perhaps my best friend in this world is mulatto. I don't appreciate comments like that and will not apologize for them. It's ignorance and I will point it out when I see it.

[Farther]

I think that RJ is to be respected for his service to this country but any service person knows that the President is the Commander and Chief and does not deserve to be called a half breed by anyone.  You may not respect the person but do not disrespect the rank.  What RJ has done in the past may deserve respect but that does not give him carte blanche to disrespect whomever he choses.

[Thulsa Doom]

MANners
I was raised to take my hat off indoors (like a house or church, ok to wear at the mall)
No hat at the dinner table (home or resturaunt)
Remove when being introduced to a female.
Remove in reverence to the flag.
Don't put feet up on other people's furniture.
Watch foul language in front of women.

I just questioned my son (15) and he knew.

FWIW I was not able to serve. I was just raised that way and I'm passing along the MANners to my son. Someone once said that's man doesn't have to be smart but as long as he's clean and has good manners he'll always get by.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

While in the army I was told…….where to go, how long to stay, what to wear, and how to wear if you get the picture. Now I am a big boy and I do what I want when I want. There are times when I have head gear on that I will remove. But if I have been ridding all day I will leave the head gear on (due-rag) after all I think a hat or due-rag looks better sometimes than a head of hair that looks like a rats nest.
Sounds like we should all wear are Sunday best just to go out to eat a grease hamburger.
As for the loud talker on cell phone I agree drives me nuts.  The next time that happens to me I will just get up and go set with that person and help him or her with whatever they are talking about that is if management doesn’t shut them up.
And really hats on or off is in the eyes of the beholder what you believe is not what everyone believes you live you’r life and stop trying to wanting everyone do what you think is right.  To many other thing’s going on in life than to get upset about someone wearing hats in doors. 

Couldn't agree more.

I usually carry a hat in my saddlebags so I have something to cover my sweaty helmet hair with before I go into a restaurant. And, I do it to be polite.

Otherwise, until I started cutting my hair really short I looked like I was imitating the uni-bomber when I'd take my helmet off.

[YoungPUP]

Being of the younger age group here, i'll let you all know that the younger generations aren't a complete wash. I was raised to  No hats at the table or indoors. Yes sir or ma'am unless told otherwise, and no cussing around women. We're not all lost souls.....

[Valkahuna]

Wow, a person can sure tell the age difference just by reading these posts. I was just relating an amusing event, including my table at home, never expected some of the "hat/cap" trash.

As for "who does it hurt?" Nobody....but you knew that.
As for "being a control freak?"  Has nothing to do with it....but you know that.
As for it being "a generational thing!"  Nope, just an excuse....but you also know that.
As for it being "good manners or etiquette?"  That's all it is, pure and simple, nothing more....but you apparently don't know that.


Moving on!

 


Perhaps the "control freak" thing does not apply to you (and it's wasn't directed at anyone in particular) but it's absolutely a factor for some people.

As for whether someone should care whether or not another person has material covering their head, well they should probably concentrate that concern elsewhere.

Funny thing is that the hat itself really has nothing to do with it! Depending on when and how you were raised, there were certain things you just did or did not do. Not having your elbows on the table when eating; not taking a short-cut across the corner of some one else's lot; those are just two examples. Like Solo1 said, if it has to be explained...

We actually used to do things just because that is how we were taught. Some served no real purpose other than to show respect. Kind of like being in the military, getting ready to work on a dirty aircraft, and reporting for work with shined boots and creased pants. Now, it's all about "me" (no, not me,  but you get that). Some of the things we were taught were an inconvenience, but we did not (nor do now) mind, because that was the "right" way. Not wearing hats indoors is another one of those seemingly useless things.
 
BTW, at least wearing a cap with the bill to the front serves the purpose of shading your eyes from the sun. What purpose does the bill in the back serve? Just sayin'. ???

[donaldcc]

I think that RJ is to be respected for his service to this country but any service person knows that the President is the Commander and Chief and does not deserve to be called a half breed by anyone.  You may not respect the person but do not disrespect the rank.  What RJ has done in the past may deserve respect but that does not give him carte blanche to disrespect whomever he choses.

  I always like to see RJ's posts and have read about his moto experience and travels.  Really respect his service and views.  Have to assume this one slipped out without being processed through the mind.    I know for sure that a Marine, current or past, should not rebuke his CO in a public forum.

   Give me 20 pushups right now RJ.  

[The Anvil]

Like Solo1 said, if it has to be explained...

Yeah but that's condescending. I DO understand it. Some people have antiquated notions regarding the value of a gesture. That's really not hard to grasp. But you can understand something without agreeing with it.

BTW, at least wearing a cap with the bill to the front serves the purpose of shading your eyes from the sun. What purpose does the bill in the back serve? Just sayin'. ???

Covering a bald spot? 

[LilAbner]

  I agree with everone, here. I take my hat off and if i am using my cell, i will talk in a low voice or
go outside.
  Here in Denver Co. alot of young kits, wear there pants below there butts, and would be eating
at a table with there underwear showing. I let the manager know about this.