Another cell phone loudmouth put down.

[solo1]

I am inclined to go with the well thought out comments here. All have merit and I was a little out of line.

The original start of this thread by John reminded me of a few more 'oldies'.

A gentleman, when walking with a lady on a city sidewalk will walk on the curb side.

A gentleman always opens the car door for a lady.

When dancing with a lady, his hand around her waist is to be placed in such a way as not to soil her gown with his sweaty hand (Hey, I'm just sayin'!?  )

How about this one.  The old pay phone booths had doors on them. Were the doors there to cut down outside noise or to keep people passing from hearing the conversation?)  And then we have cell phones.  Conclusion:  The doors weren't neccessary.

Final thought. As an old fogie I tend to deplore how the younger generation appears to me, and then I see decent young'uns doing good in many ways.  Thanks for the reminder, Young Pup.

[threevalks]

 Young PUP  Wrote:  Being of the younger age group here, i'll let you all know that the younger generations aren't a complete wash. I was raised to  No hats at the table or indoors. Yes sir or ma'am unless told otherwise, and no cussing around women. We're not all lost souls.                                                                                                                                                          Proud of you YoungPUP. My boys were brought up the same as you and do the same. I'm not going to argue the point. Some people are brought up right and some are not.

[Jabba]

I share the opinions of the old timers here.  I am annoyed at hats on at a dinner table.  I do not say anything to anyone in public, because it's not MY table.  I don't bust my brother-in-laws balls about it at HIS house.  When he's at MY house... I tell him to take off his hat.

My father was a WWII vet, and was airborne and jumped into the Phillipeans.  We didn't wear hats inside.  I started working on farms when I was 12.  Up thru HS graduation, and occasionally thereafter.  Many times, the farmers wife would bring us hands lunch in the field when we were working.  Cold cuts and kool-aid usually.  We put our shirts on, and took our hats off.  To this day... I can't eat a damn sandwich without a shirt on. 

I have on occasion, mentioned to whomever I was with that I thought it rude to wear a hat in a restaurant.  That's not to imply that I don't like the person that is doing so.  They have different rules than I do... and ya'll KNOW I am a LIBERTARIAN.  Just because I think something is rude, doesn't MAKE it so. 

Hats during the national anthem... I wish I could smack every one of them.  They even ask you at the beginning of it to stand, and REMOVE YOUR HATS. 

For the record, I was born in 1968, the youngest of 5.  If my Dad was alive he'd be 83.  If you're doing the math... yes.  He lied about his age and joined the army at 16 in 1944. 

So if ya'll want to wear your hats and do-rags at the table... go ahead.  You're allowed.  But I'll not be wearing mine.  If my grubby melon offends you... turnabout is fair play.  I still like ya'll and will ride with you and share good times either way.

Jabba

[Farther]

Just because I think something is rude, doesn't MAKE it so.

There you go, in a nut shell.  I couldn't have said it better.

[ricoman]

removing ones hat indoors is a sign of respect.

that is what it is about.
those who don't remove it show little respect for others yet loudly wail and sob when they get no respect. go figure!

[Hef]

I am 63 years old and was raised like most in that age group, no hat in the house nor at the table, take the hat off before entering the church and always for the playing of the national anthem. I believe that we honor or flag by standing, removing our cap and placing our hand over our heart while the anthem is being played and I do so. As an adult you will find me wearing a cap most of the time. I don't consider it an article to be used to portray a sign of respect or an insult. I am courteous to those I meet, open doors for the elderly, help them with their grocery bags when I'm at the store, and if I see anyone who needs help and I have the ability to help them I do. I have worn my cap on many occasions at the table and did not realize I might be offending someone. If I'm eating with you and you ask me to remove my cap, I probably will. I really didn't realize that wearing a cap was such and important reflection of one's character. I would rather see your good character reflected through a more meaningful way then wearing or not wearing a cap. Anyway, I am a avid rider who shares a love to ride my Valkyrie, so let's ride.
  

[Clark]

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I am 63 years old and was raised like most in that age group, no hat in the house nor at the table, take the hat off before entering the church and always for the playing of the national anthem. I believe that we honor or flag by standing, removing our cap and placing our hand over our heart while the anthem is being played and I do so. As an adult you will find me wearing a cap most of the time. I don't consider it an article to be used to portray a sign of respect or an insult. I am courteous to those I meet, open doors for the elderly, help them with their grocery bags when I'm at the store, and if I see anyone who needs help and I have the ability to help them I do. I have worn my cap on many occasions at the table and did not realize I might be offending someone. If I'm eating with you and you ask me to remove my cap, I probably will. I really didn't realize that wearing a cap was such and important reflection of one's character. I would rather see your good character reflected through a more meaningful way then wearing or not wearing a cap. Anyway, I am a avid rider who shares a love to ride my Valkyrie, so let's ride.
  
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[Ricky-D]

Most times my friends and acquaintances that fail to remove their headgear when inside involves what is going on inside.

That point not withstanding, while dining it is appropriate for men to remove their headgear.

So in the final analysis, regarding the people I know, the one's that do not remove their headgear are almost always the men wanting to hide their baldness.  They have nurtured an image, not wanting to dispel the myth. 

I think it is a self image thing, not necessarily low self esteem.

***

[Serk]

BTW, at least wearing a cap with the bill to the front serves the purpose of shading your eyes from the sun. What purpose does the bill in the back serve? Just sayin'. ???

Keeps the hair outta my eyes...

[Big Tom 10628]

Wearing it backwards keeps it from blowing off in my Vert, otherwise the Visor is shading my eyes.

[Valkahuna]

Quote from: Valkahuna on Yesterday at 08:56:06 PM
BTW, at least wearing a cap with the bill to the front serves the purpose of shading your eyes from the sun. What purpose does the bill in the back serve? Just sayin'.

Keeps the hair outta my eyes...



Re: Another cell phone loudmouth put down.
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Wearing it backwards keeps it from blowing off in my Vert, otherwise the Visor is shading my eyes.

I can buy both of those answers, they make sense.

[BF]

I can't believe that some of you will get yourselves this worked up over a ball cap.  It's just a hat.  Times change, customs change, sensitivities change.......it's just a hat. 

I don't wear one in church, I pull over to the side of the road and remove my hat when a funeral prosession goes by, I take it off at the national anthem, I show respect.  But I wear a ball cap....and if I'm at a casual dining restaurant or a breakfast joint, I'll continue to wear it. 

I'm not intruding on you, I'm not wearing tons of foo foo juice wafting over into your food, I'm not yelling into my cell phone, I'm not offending you and I'm not wearing one to piss you off........it's just a hat. 

I'm 58 years old and I was in the military.  Flame suit on. 

[Serk]

I can't believe that some of you will get yourselves this worked up over a ball cap.  It's just a hat.  Times change, customs change, sensitivities change.......it's just a hat. 

That's nothing! You wanna see 'em get worked up, mention how you outran a Harley because he didn't wave at you while riding your Valk with Mobil 1 Car oil in the engine and a darkside tire on the back and no helmet on, because the national anthem might come on the radio at any minute! 

[Jabba]

You guys feel free to maintain your hats on at the restaurant.

I'll maintain my right to think it rude of you to do so.

You probably won't even know that there are people there that think you're an asshat.

 

Jabba

[The Anvil]

You probably don't even care that there are people there that think you're an asshat.

Fixxxed. 

[John Schmidt]

Hmmmm....does anyone remember my original post? The whole thing was amusing, including the bit re. my daughter and her two boys. They could wrap her around their little finger with one hand behind them, yet sat there and "minded mom."  The mental picture of them sitting and squirming is classic.

As for the hat thing, outside of my home frankly I don't give a rip what you do. I did find it interesting to note that the majority seemed to lean toward removing it at the table as well as other places. Just remember, if our paths should cross one day and we happen to meet in a restaurant and I invite you to my table, I'll most likely ask you to remove the hat.

Guess we've hashed this enough, rather foolishly at times but it's an open forum. Let's find someone or something else to bash for a while. 

[rainman]

Hats on Hats off think about this

life is an echo
what you send out-comes back
what you sow -you reap
what you give -you get
what you see in others-exists in you
remember,life is an echo it always gets back to you

So wear your hats or take them off who cares 

[rainman]

Guess we've hashed this enough, rather foolishly at times but it's an open forum. Let's find someone or something else to bash for a while. 

agree and to just think winter hasn't even stated yet.

[The Anvil]

Why is it not rude to ask someone to take off their hat when it's no frigging business of yours?

I'm annoyed when women with nice bewbs wear shirts whether indoors or out, but I'd never presume to ask them to remove them*.


*Unless I've been drinking.

[solo1]

Redvalk I agree with you 100%.  However, today is here, yesterday is gone.  Respect for anything is just about gone.

'Nuff said.

[John Schmidt]

I'm annoyed when women with nice bewbs wear shirts whether indoors or out, but I'd never presume to ask them to remove them*.

Apples and oranges!   

[Thulsa Doom]

I'm annoyed when women with nice bewbs wear shirts whether indoors or out, but I'd never presume to ask them to remove them*.

Apples and oranges!   

... And melons.

[art]

The hat thing dosen't bother me .I wear one because my dam balding gets cold or my hair is a mess.The cell phone really pisses me off .It'svery rude in public places an very dangerous on the road.Use it private or shut up and don't drive with it stuck to you ear.My life depends on it and maybe yours.Art

[The Anvil]

Redvalk I agree with you 100%.  However, today is here, yesterday is gone.  Respect for anything is just about gone.

'Nuff said.

I'm so sick of hearing this lament about the "good old days". It's a load of horseshit.

In the "good old days" it was common to come home, pound a few Schlitz's or PBR's and then take out the day's worth of frustration on the wife and kids by beating the crap out of them. Of course, that still happens, but the society does it's best to police that kind of thing. Back in the "good old days" the law pretty much looked the other way.

In the "good old days" black people routinely went missing and nobody bothered to look for them except maybe their own families. Blacks also couldn't use white restrooms or drinking fountains or call at the front door...

In "the good old days" if you cut off your hand while while doing a dangerous job for your employer you were SOL. You also didn't get breaks, safety equipment etc.

I can think of so many ways in which we're better off now than we were 50 years ago. Are people less observant of archaic customs and more crude in language? Sure. But overall as a society we are not less respectful where it COUNTS.

Take off your hat indoors or...

[art]

Redvalk I agree with you 100%.  However, today is here, yesterday is gone.  Respect for anything is just about gone.

'Nuff said.

I'm so sick of hearing this lament about the "good old days". It's a load of horseshit.

In the "good old days" it was common to come home, pound a few Schlitz's or PBR's and then take out the day's worth of frustration on the wife and kids by beating the crap out of them. Of course, that still happens, but the society does it's best to police that kind of thing. Back in the "good old days" the law pretty much looked the other way.

In the "good old days" black people routinely went missing and nobody bothered to look for them except maybe their own families. Blacks also couldn't use white restrooms or drinking fountains or call at the front door...

In "the good old days" if you cut off your hand while while doing a dangerous job for your employer you were SOL. You also didn't get breaks, safety equipment etc.

I can think of so many ways in which we're better off now than we were 50 years ago. Are people less observant of archaic customs and more crude in language? Sure. But overall as a society we are not less respectful where it COUNTS.

Take off your hat indoors or...

Your right  and I agree the good old days were not that good but there were some good memories.we do have it much better today an It could be even better than it is.Art

[Gryphon Rider]

So, whether melons should be covered depend on the gender of their owners, or should they all just be uncovered in a restaurant?  Okay, I'll be back from 7th grade in a minute!

[The Anvil]

Your right  and I agree the good old days were not that good but there were some good memories.we do have it much better today an It could be even better than it is.Art

I think that to some degree it's a zero-sum game. We gain civility in some areas while losing it in others.

Remember that during WWII the "greatest generation" wouldn't let Black Americans into combat companies with white Americans. As late as the 1970's the US government was still using them as human guinea pigs in medical experiments. Women STILL make less than their male counterparts.

I'm sorry but I just can't get worked up over someone not taking their hat off when under a roof. And what if it's a carport? How many walls are necessary for it to qualify as "indoors"? Does the garage count?

[Cruzen]

MANners
I was raised to take my hat off indoors (like a house or church, ok to wear at the mall)
No hat at the dinner table (home or resturaunt)
Remove when being introduced to a female.
Remove in reverence to the flag.
Don't put feet up on other people's furniture.
Watch foul language in front of women.

+1

[solo1]

Hey Anvil, I didn't say that they were the good ole days, you did.  I simply said that times have changed, Quit putting words in my mouth!

[The Anvil]

Hey Anvil, I didn't say that they were the good ole days, you did.  I simply said that times have changed, Quit putting words in my mouth!

Okay, but were you NOT implying that they have changed for the worse? Because it sure seems like you were.

[solo1]

Anvil, I've been around long enough to know that nothing is black and white , just various shades of grey.

Yes, there's been a lot of accomplishments and we've come a long way, my computer is an example.  Who would've thought back in my day that I could find so much information without going to the library. I could go on and on. I never would've thought that that my vision of some 70 years would go from 'couldn't see the big E on the chart without glasses' to 20/20 without glasses after my recent cataract surgery!  Amazing !!!!!

The measurement for success in todays society, however, is much different and more complicated.  I never thought that I'd be working with my computer at age 83 but I am.  All of us could write a book on our ideas of success and a satisfying life from our experiences. 

So keep in mind that us old fogies remember with fondness times in the past, when we were being raised and raising our own.  Those days weren't perfect and neither are the present days...............................................EXCEPT for riding motorcycles.  Ride with a helmet, don't ride with a helmet, wear a cap or don't wear a cap, I don't care.

[ricoman]

I am saddened by many of the responses to John's original post.
Taking your hat off while having dinner in a restaurant (or in someones home) is a sign of respect to the others who see you. (unless you only eat where you carry the food to the table yourself).
Not talking loudly on a cell phone (or at all) in a group of strangers is also a sign of respect (in a restaurant, coffee shop, or wherever).
What saddens me is the number of responders who do not seem to have respect for others. "I'll do what I damn well please and to hell with you!" There is not room in this country, or on this planet, for every one to take that position.
I read these responses and I realize there are many who would not be welcome in my home or with me in public- in fact I'd rather not acknowledge I even know them.
The attitude of saying  "whatever you do is okay" is disturbing also. It is not okay to be rude and disrespectful and untruthful-period.
There are too many people in the world for all of us to "do whatever".  
Like solo said, "respect for anything is just about gone".
That is very very sad.
What if we actually did respect others? Could it be better for all of us?
  

[donaldcc]

  I like to think of myself as a tolerant person as was John Lennon.  RIP

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  But . . . if this guy sat next to me in restaurant, I could see my tolerance tested.



Give Peace A Chance
 John Lennon And The Plastic Ono Band
 
Two, one two three four
 Ev'rybody's talking about
 Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism
 This-ism, that-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m.

All we are saying is give peace a chance
 All we are saying is give peace a chance

c'mon
 Ev'rybody's talking about Ministers,
 Sinisters, Banisters and canisters
 Bishops and Fishops and Rabbis and Pop eyes,
 And bye bye, bye byes.

All we are saying is give peace a chance
 All we are saying is give peace a chance

Let me tell you now
 Ev'rybody's talking about
 Revolution, evolution, masturbation,
 Flagellation, regulation, integrations,
 Meditations, United Nations,
 Congratulations.

Ev'rybody's talking about
 John and Yoko, Timmy Leary, Rosemary,
 Tommy Smothers, Bobby Dylan, Tommy Cooper,
 Derek Taylor, Norman Mailer,
 Alan Ginsberg, Hare Krishna,
 Hare, Hare Krishna

[fudgie]

Whats wrong with PBR?  Thems fightin words here in the midwest. 

[The Anvil]

I am saddened by many of the responses to John's original post.
Taking your hat off while having dinner in a restaurant (or in someones home) is a sign of respect to the others who see you. (unless you only eat where you carry the food to the table yourself).
Not talking loudly on a cell phone (or at all) in a group of strangers is also a sign of respect (in a restaurant, coffee shop, or wherever).
What saddens me is the number of responders who do not seem to have respect for others. "I'll do what I damn well please and to hell with you!" There is not room in this country, or on this planet, for every one to take that position.
I read these responses and I realize there are many who would not be welcome in my home or with me in public- in fact I'd rather not acknowledge I even know them.
The attitude of saying  "whatever you do is okay" is disturbing also. It is not okay to be rude and disrespectful and untruthful-period.
There are too many people in the world for all of us to "do whatever".  
Like solo said, "respect for anything is just about gone".
That is very very sad.
What if we actually did respect others? Could it be better for all of us?
  

Everybody's actually in agreement that the phone part of it is out of line. You're up a tree on that one. The rest is just absurdity at the the idea that anyone should be offended simply by someone's manner of dress. I might think that white people dressing like black people look ridiculous, but I don't get ANGRY about it. If that day ever comes then I hope I have the good sense to jump head-first into a wood chipper. I'll wait until they do something worthy of contempt (like using ebonics) before getting wound up like a top.

You know who else gets all bent about how people dress? Muslims.

[The Anvil]

Whats wrong with PBR?  Thems fightin words here in the midwest. 

I am not slandering PBR!

[Full_Throttle]

so, just a quick question for all of the anti-hat crowd;
Do you require women to remove hats as well or just men?
What about Jewish men who wear the little "circle" hat thing?
What about Arab "towel heads"?
What about Nun head garb?

WHY is it offensive for someone to have on a hat???? 

Why does the hat offend but not a scarf?

Gloves??

Scooby Doo Pajamas?

My point is, what makes it offensive?  It is just because you were raised that it is offensive?  Or is there some other reason?  That is like saying you are offended at all religions EXCEPT yours because you were raised a ______ (fill in the blank).

( I am a 43 year old Baptist who was also raised to take off my hat at the table, which I do)

I understand not liking it, because you were TRAINED to not like it.
Either the military or your mom/dad trained you to react to a hat (or men wearing earings, long hair, ect.), pure and simple.

RJ,  I liked your original post, and understand completely how you felt.  I have the same feelings about lots of issues.  Sometimes it is hard to change with the times.

Peace out...

[BF]

I'm still having a hard time trying to figure out why some of you are so worked up over a ball cap. 

I'm not having dinner at YOUR table.  I'm not having dinner in YOUR house.  I'm not wearing any kind of uniform where some kind of protocal is required.  I'm in a public place minding my own damn business in a restaurant that doesn't require formal attire. 

So again, please tell me why your so damn upset at my headgear. 

Or does the guy in a turbin escorting several women in burqas (I've seen just that recently) eating in the same restaurant as me just fly over your head like a two base hit and you just zero in on my ball cap?   

Does the kid with the droopy pants get a pass, or you just upset at my wearing a hat?

It's just a hat people......get a grip. 

[scoot]

I have been reading this for a couple days, now I guess I'll pipe in. I was raised not to wear a hat in doors, period, especially at the dinner table. It was disrespectful to my mother, and later to any woman that is in the room with me. When you refer to someone's religous attire that just shows the disrepect that I would expect from someone who doesn't understand. As far as the baggy pants hanging around the kids ankles sitting at the table along side me, well, that's his parents problem.
 I'm not going to ask you to leave the resturant, I understand it's your right to be there, but don't be upset when I stand up and don't have any pants on. Remember its only attire and my right to be comfortable 

[scoot]

The phone thing I totally get but if you have a problem with my hat then that's tough s**t because unless I'm hot I'm wearing it. It's 2011.

This was your reply in another thread regarding men and earings, just say'in this 2011.
 "I take mine out at work too. We're not supposed to wear them per policy"
Funny thing about the phones. One day I was at work and was standing at a urinal taking a whiz when a dude comes walking in and sidles up the the urinal next to me and starts talking.

Him: "Hey what's up."
Me: (looking around to see who he's talking to and seeing noone else) "Uh..."
Him: "It's three now, where do you want to meet?"
Me: (now getting kinda weirded out) "Do uh, do we know each other?"
 
That's when he turned to look at me and said; "What?" That's about the time I saw the bluetooth thing in his ear.

Me: "Oh nevermind dude I didn't realize you were on the phone, that was getting weird."

We actually had a good laugh about it and I could hear him telling the person on the other end about it. Good times.

 Good times in the restroom with another man, WOW