Home of the free???

[bscrive]

Man some of you guys talk about our Canadian gov't being strict.  This is down right scary.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/29/senate-votes-to-let-military-detain-americans-indefinitely_n_1119473.html?ref=mostpopular

[The Anvil]

It paves the way for government forces to target any individual for any reason and do whatever they wish to them.

But you can relax because they'd never actually DO that.

[bscrive]

It is always baby steps with governments.  Doesn't ruffle too many feathers.  Always done for the good they say.  To preserve your freedom.

[alph]

there needs to be a "tongue-n-cheek" smiley face, meaning, i'm saying that in all sarcasm.  this one comes the closest i think.  

[The Anvil]

there needs to be a "tongue-n-cheek" smiley face, meaning, i'm saying that in all sarcasm.  this one comes the closest i think.  

We could do with a few more expressive smileys.

But I kind of thought the sarcasm would be evident either way. I mean, could you imagine?

[doubletee]

As each baby step is taken by the government, as each right is methodically squashed (and sometimes quietly, without notice by the masses), I get this horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach that a police state is slowly, inexorably sneaking up on us.

Someone mentioned, either here or on another board I frequent, that he felt the US would eventually end up in another civil war. I scoffed at the notion then. Now, I'm beginning to believe he may be right.

[DarkMeister]

Ha! Youse guyses think that's bad? Could be worse! Here's a small example of what we've been bleeding lives and money to defend:

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/02/4095588/jailed-afghan-rape-victim-wins.html

She might be freed if she agrees to marry the relative who raped her.

[BF]

Ha! Youse guyses think that's bad? Could be worse! Here's a small example of what we've been bleeding lives and money to defend:

http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/02/4095588/jailed-afghan-rape-victim-wins.html

She might be freed if she agrees to marry the relative who raped her.

They're such a friendly and peaceful people.   

[Serk]

...or our good buddies in Saudi who claim that if they were to allow women to drive, that within 10 years there would be no virgins left, driving everyone to become homosexuals!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/8930168/Allowing-women-drivers-in-Saudi-Arabia-will-be-end-of-virginity.html

[BF]

They're such a barbaric and paranoid people.   

FIXED!   

[alph]

Someone mentioned, either here or on another board I frequent, that he felt the US would eventually end up in another civil war. I scoffed at the notion then. Now, I'm beginning to believe he may be right.

if there ever were another civil war, it would be against city vs country people.  i'm pretty sure that the country people would win, mainly 'cause (and i can say this from expierence) city people can't hunt!!

[ricoman]

Someone mentioned, either here or on another board I frequent, that he felt the US would eventually end up in another civil war. I scoffed at the notion then. Now, I'm beginning to believe he may be right.

if there ever were another civil war, it would be against city vs country people.  i'm pretty sure that the country people would win, mainly 'cause (and i can say this from expierence) city people can't hunt!!

but they could strip the wheels and radio off your car in less time than it takes to go pee behind a tree!

[The Anvil]

Someone mentioned, either here or on another board I frequent, that he felt the US would eventually end up in another civil war. I scoffed at the notion then. Now, I'm beginning to believe he may be right.

if there ever were another civil war, it would be against city vs country people.  i'm pretty sure that the country people would win, mainly 'cause (and i can say this from expierence) city people can't hunt!!

Actually it will be city people vs. city people at first. If the country people are smart they'll let the city people thin themselves out. Think about it; where will they get their food and water?

Believe it or not, city people are not consumed with "country people" the way country people are consumed with city people. They are too busy fending each other off.

But don't underestimate them either. I grew up in the city and can probably out-shoot most people here. Seeing the worst that humans are capable of also has a way of dulling compassion. Hardened urban criminals will have no problem killing you in cold blood and there's more than you think.

[Hoser]

"But don't underestimate them either. I grew up in the city and can probably out-shoot most people here."  In your dreams.  A diplomatic person would have said as well as most people here.  But that's not you, is it.    ???  Hoser   

[Chrisj CMA]

"But don't underestimate them either. I grew up in the city and can probably out-shoot most people here."  In your dreams.  A diplomatic person would have said as well as most people here.  But that's not you, is it.    ???  Hoser   

OK, Thats it!   I say we get have a ride in to a shoot out and see whose money is where their mouth is.  As long  as its close to where I live North Florida where its still ridable most times of the year.......

[The Anvil]

"But don't underestimate them either. I grew up in the city and can probably out-shoot most people here."  In your dreams.  A diplomatic person would have said as well as most people here.  But that's not you, is it.    ???  Hoser   

Why does my confidence = an insult? I'm just very, very good with a gun. I wasn't named captain of my High School rifle team as a sophomore (first year of eligibility) and draw interest from the USOC because I sucked. I stand by what I said.

And I said "most people here", not ALL (I've lost a little bit in the past ten years or so). Count yourself among the minority if it makes you feel better.

[RoadKill]

"But don't underestimate them either. I grew up in the city and can probably out-shoot most people here."  In your dreams.  A diplomatic person would have said as well as most people here.  But that's not you, is it.    ???  Hoser   

Why does my confidence = an insult? I'm just very, very good with a gun. I wasn't named captain of my High School rifle team as a sophomore (first year of eligibility) and draw interest from the USOC because I sucked. I stand by what I said.

And I said "most people here", not ALL (I've lost a little bit in the past ten years or so). Count yourself among the minority if it makes you feel better.

I think you may be surprised at the skill level of many here....what experience do you have with valk riders and their shooting ability that would make you think otherwise? You obviously know 1 valk rider that can shoot....

[Chattanooga Mark]

Stock up on common ammo (9mm, .45, 12guage etc) folks. Events in the US in the next 10 to 20 years may prove it's equal to or even better than cash.

Just a thought,

Mark

[RoadKill]

Stock up on common ammo (9mm, .45, 12guage etc) folks. Events in the US in the next 10 to 20 years may prove it's equal to or even better than cash.

Just a thought,

Mark

Do you really want to barter ammo ? It could come back to 'bite' you...literally! 

[Quicksilver]

These little changes in law remind me of the Frog story, put a frog in a pot of cool water and gradually increase the heat, it will sit there until it boils to death. Throw it into a pot of boiling water and it will jump out immediately. In many ways we are like the frog, we adjust.

[Tundra]

Except we frogs is croakin...and movin around a little

[Hoser]

"But don't underestimate them either. I grew up in the city and can probably out-shoot most people here."  In your dreams.  A diplomatic person would have said as well as most people here.  But that's not you, is it.    ???  Hoser   

Why does my confidence = an insult? I'm just very, very good with a gun. I wasn't named captain of my High School rifle team as a sophomore (first year of eligibility) and draw interest from the USOC because I sucked. I stand by what I said.

And I said "most people here", not ALL (I've lost a little bit in the past ten years or so). Count yourself among the minority if it makes you feel better.

You miss the whole point of the post.  I would never denegrate most of the posters here by assuming that I was better at a certain skill than them.  I don't claim to be a better shooter than anyone.  But it seems to be automatic for you. You may not even realize that you are offending a lot of folks with these off the wall claims on many of your posts, which is kinda sad.  Actually, I could be wrong about that, which is even more sad.  Hoser 

[The Anvil]

"But don't underestimate them either. I grew up in the city and can probably out-shoot most people here."  In your dreams.  A diplomatic person would have said as well as most people here.  But that's not you, is it.    ???  Hoser   

Why does my confidence = an insult? I'm just very, very good with a gun. I wasn't named captain of my High School rifle team as a sophomore (first year of eligibility) and draw interest from the USOC because I sucked. I stand by what I said.

And I said "most people here", not ALL (I've lost a little bit in the past ten years or so). Count yourself among the minority if it makes you feel better.

I think you may be surprised at the skill level of many here....what experience do you have with valk riders and their shooting ability that would make you think otherwise? You obviously know 1 valk rider that can shoot....

What makes you think Valk riders are (on average) better shots than average motorcyclists? 

I think it's likely that the skill level of the members here represents the skill level of the rest of the shooters I encounter out there and I'm better than 80% of them (the number would be closer to 90% if I weren't out of practice).

[Hoser]

OK, you win, you are the best shot of 80 percent of the Valkyrie riders alive today.  Now will you STFU?  You act like 10 year old braggart.  Now that's IMHO, which I'm entitled to, so don't get upset.  Hoser 
 

[x]

OK, you win, you are the best shot of 80 percent of the Valkyrie riders alive today.  Now will you STFU?  You act like 10 year old braggart.  Now that's IMHO, which I'm entitled to, so don't get upset.  Hoser 
 

Gee, Anvil... now you and I are going to have to share the "piss off Hoser" prize.

[x]

It paves the way for government forces to target any individual for any reason and do whatever they wish to them.

But you can relax because they'd never actually DO that.

Fortunately, Obama has threatened to veto the appropriations bill which contains this blatantly unconstitutional military grab for power.

[The Anvil]

Now will you STFU?  You act like 10 year old braggart.

Nope. What can I say, I'm in touch with my inner child.

[Skinhead]

Hey Advil, just curious, Where is you signature quote from?

Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.

[Hoser]

Hey Advil, just curious, Where is you signature quote from?

Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.

I'm gonna need more than a Advil if I don't stop reading his dumb ass posts!    Hoser 

[Serk]

Hey Advil, just curious, Where is you signature quote from?

Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.

Clutch, White's Ferry...

Clutch - White's Ferry	powered by Aeva

[RoadKill]

"But don't underestimate them either. I grew up in the city and can probably out-shoot most people here."  In your dreams.  A diplomatic person would have said as well as most people here.  But that's not you, is it.    ???  Hoser   

Why does my confidence = an insult? I'm just very, very good with a gun. I wasn't named captain of my High School rifle team as a sophomore (first year of eligibility) and draw interest from the USOC because I sucked. I stand by what I said.

And I said "most people here", not ALL (I've lost a little bit in the past ten years or so). Count yourself among the minority if it makes you feel better.

I think you may be surprised at the skill level of many here....what experience do you have with valk riders and their shooting ability that would make you think otherwise? You obviously know 1 valk rider that can shoot....

What makes you think Valk riders are (on average) better shots than average motorcyclists? 

I think it's likely that the skill level of the members here represents the skill level of the rest of the shooters I encounter out there and I'm better than 80% of them (the number would be closer to 90% if I weren't out of practice).

Members of this board seem to be anything but 'average' IMHO. Even the trolls we keep seem to be above average 

[stude31]

Members of this board seem to be anything but 'average' IMHO. Even the trolls we keep seem to be above average 

Sure wish we had a "like" button on here 

[The Anvil]

Hey Advil, just curious, Where is you signature quote from?

Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to the rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.

Clutch, White's Ferry...

Clutch - White's Ferry

Jes! Great song.

Seems I should give a credit in the signature.

Full transcription:

Only the dirt I do believe.
As memory vanishes among the leaves.

Wizard of tickets is always glad to charge a pilgrim's fare.
Jubilee's generally early. Let's take the country air.
Mistreating granite, limestone, and clay. It's a shameful soil.
But all grows well on the floodplain tract if you can afford the toil.

Cradled in ivy, we will allow
the moss to prosper upon our brows.

Boxer rebellion, the Holy Child. They all pay their rent.
But none together can testify to rhythm of a road well bent.
Saddles and zip codes, passports and gates, the Jones' keep.
In August the water is trickling, in April it's furious deep.

Wizard of tickets is always glad to charge a pilgrim's fare.
Jubilee's generally early. Let's take the country air.
Mistreating granite, limestone, and clay. It's a shameful soil.
But all grows well on the floodplain tract if you can afford the toil.

Only the dirt I do believe.
Divinity vanishes among the leaves.

Neil Fallon on the song's meaning: "Every once in a while I go out on a drive through some old country roads in Maryland and Virginia. One of these routes goes over the Potomac via White's Ferry. This song is about some of the sights and experiences of one particular drive in September of 2006."

[Psychotic Bovine]

If you guys want to see how the senators voted for s.1867, here is the list.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00218

I really hope the Pres does the right thing and vetoes it.  I won't bet on it, though.

[3fan4life]

I really hope the Pres does the right thing and vetoes it.  I won't bet on it, though.

Hopefully the POTUS will honor his word and veto the bill.

However, I don't have much faith that those in power will do anything that limits their power.

[MNBill]

OK, who defines what a terrorist organization is? I believe the "Goverment" now includes animal rights groups that release animals, the Hells Angels and several of the constutionalist groups. This is more than a start down a path we do not want to walk down. I never thought I would agree with Obama but I am with him on this one.

[Serk]

It don't happen often, but when it does, I'll give the man credit. I'm with Obama on this one. I really hope he actually sticks to his word and vetos this bill as it currently stands...

[hubcapsc]

OK, who defines what a terrorist organization is? I believe the "Goverment" now includes animal rights groups that release animals, the Hells Angels and several of the constutionalist groups. This is more than a start down a path we do not want to walk down. I never thought I would agree with Obama but I am with him on this one.

The government, and even more chillingly, the police, use some truly dreadful "authorities" to
identify "terrorists" and "hate groups"... The Southern Poverty Law Center and the Anti Defamation League
are a couple of the terrorist-defining-organizations I'm referring to. According to them I have the
qualities of a "neo-Confederate", practically the worst of the worst... don't turn your back around me!

-Mike 

[The Anvil]

      (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

            (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

Note that is says  "the requirement to detain a person (specifically a citizen in this case) in military custody" but to me that leaves the option to do so wide open. It's just not required. Am I the only one who interprets it that way?

[3fan4life]

... don't turn your back around me!

-Mike 

Some of us have known that for a long time.