Overpaid teachers?

[B-Taz]

What Do teachers make...

Taylor Mali on "What Teachers Make"	powered by Aeva

[Fudd]

We need more teachers with his attitude.

He can get fired up over making a difference!

[SargeDawn]

Thanks for posting this!!!! Many of our teachers in Michigan have gotten second jobs and some have kids that qualify for free or reduced lunch. These people have a Masters Degree. Don't tell me they do it for the pay. They do it because they care. And yes they are OVERWORKED. It is not a 6 hour day. When the kids go home the teacher is there often 10 or more hours in a day. If they do go home early then they are back on the weekend.

[Devl]

Make a difference yes...and so can B-Taz, I know because he's my son and he makes a difference in someone's life everyday.  I am very proud of him for the career choice he has made and NO, he doesn't make enough money for what he does.  I know for a fact that he could be making far more doing some other kind of work, but he chose to teach our youth and I thank and respect him for that.  Every teacher, in every school out there is making a difference and is (or was) just as excited as my son and the guy in the video.  But when you have parents who won't pass mileages, or school boards who put 35 kids in a classroom, or a state legislature that strips them of anyway to better themselves or get raises, they can get jaded and lose that enthusiasm...who wouldn't.  We need to value our Teachers, give them the respect they deserve and teach our kids and Grandkids to respect them also.  For they are an ASSET and we need them to teach our youth to be excited and passionate about something other than a Nintendo or a Iphone.  Off my soap box now.....Thank You to all the Teachers out there, may you keep making those difference's in young lives!!

[Jabba]

Trouble is... most schools (and parents) won't let our teachers who care, make the difference that they want to make.  And you're right... they don't make enough to be babysitters without authority to control the subjects in their care.

Now... I'll be the turd in the punchbowl too.  In Indiana teachers make an average of $48K per year.  And they work a lot during the 180 days of school... but they also get 14 weeks per year off, if they CHOOSE to not teach summer school.  That ain't so bad...

When a teacher calls me about my son... the 1st 2 things I say to them is... "What did he do wrong, and how can I help correct it?"

I make this promise to my sons teachers on the 1st day of school, and promise to back them up.

And I do.

Jabba

[alph]

i had a lot, and i do mean a lot of lousy teachers growing up, i did have a few that i liked, Mrs Taylor my art teacher, Mrs Campbell my 3rd grade teacher, Mrs Lowell my high school business teacher, and Mr Alberoto my wood shop/drivers ed teacher.  what did these teachers all have in commen?  they all once said something to encurage me, or said something "nice" about what i was working on. 

here in wisconsin our current governer has gotten a lot of flack over the "collective bargaining" with the teachers unions, but the one good thing that has come out of it is that the crusty, old, worthless teachers are now retiring, giving way for teachers that WANT to teach!  not the ones that are just waiting to retire.

[bigguy]

Thanks for posting that. My son is teaching now. He doesn't leave the school most evening until after 8:00 and often goes in on the weekend. When he comes home for a visit, he brings his laptop and spends a lot of time working. I never realized how long teachers stayed after we went home.
And he cares. It breaks his heart to see a kid with potential not supported by parents. I'm so proud of the man he has become, and the way he fights this lopsided battle to give every kid he can every opportunity he can.

[Jess from VA]

Not relevant to pay, but I had a fair number of good and a couple great teachers (and a bunch who were just terrible and couldn't teach at all).

My observation is that in general (and with exceptions), my earliest teachers were the best (elementary, lifetime old ladies all) and as I proceeded thru Jr. Hi, HS, undergrad, and law school, they got worse.  This is not the same as liking them, some buffoons are likable.

I remember a typing teacher (Jr Hi) somewhere between 80 to 120yo with Alzheimers, bless her heart she tried.  We typed to elevator music, that speeded up as the class progressed.

Then there was the speech teacher who wore tight miniskirts of the time (HS) and sat on her desk all day, who was so hot I could never remember anything she said (impure thoughts). She was a great teacher to boot.

Then an English teacher (HS) who could not speak proper English.... his favorite quote was "without ink, ya stink."  Ain't and you'uns was in his dictionary.

Had an aged tenured Torts teacher in law school who was so bad, I skipped the entire 2d semester.  Class was a complete waste of time, and I used all class periods to study for the final.

[SargeDawn]

hmmm! Teachers right out of college start out in Michigan at $34000 a year. Four to five years of college debt. Would you go into a field knowing that this is what you will be making at the end of the year?  $48000 after many, many years of teaching. Then  you also ,need by law, to take classes each and every year until you get your Masters Degree. An eight hour day is unheard of. Lesson plans that require a student to really give their best is a long process. Those lessons don't just magically appear. Teachers are now evaluated on HOW MUCH THEIR STUDENTS ACHIEVE AND ARE EXPECTED TO VOLUNTEER in order to get a good evaluation. How many would return to work after a day of teaching, then meetings and phone calls to volunteer to work at games, go to open houses and plays for no extra pay. Years ago the average classroom budget was $350 a year. Today it is $65.  An average teacher will pay out of their own pocket supplies for the classroom, field trips for those that can't pay, and even lunch. It is not unusual for a teacher to buy coats and boots etc for a child in need.  Yes, teaching is hard but so worth it when that one child has that light bulb moment. I wish each and everyone of you could experience a day in the life of a teacher.  I wouldn't trade it for anything.

[alph]

Then there was the speech teacher who wore tight miniskirts of the time (HS) and sat on her desk all day, who was so hot I could never remember anything she said (impure thoughts). She was a great teacher to boot.

we had a teacher that i later (several years later) found out slept with some of the guys in our class!  and here i thought she was a good teacher!  i never slept with her, so i guess she wasn't!

[Jeff K]

Everyone always has a favorite teacher, or maybe a few. I Hated every minute of school. And don't have a single teacher that I can even remember their name, more like a favorite. Most of my teachers told me I wouldn't amount to anything in life. Great morale builders. But oddly enough, I did just fine all on my own.


I absolutely HATED school, and teachers, they bored me to death. Now they call it ADD.

[Chattanooga Mark]

Watch the documentary called Waiting For Superman to see where the problems are in the US education system. It's an eye opening truth telling bit of education.

Mark

[gregc]

Come to south eastern Pennsylvania, we have some of highest paid teachers around. My school taxes  will reflect their new contract. Six figures for a masters degree is the norm.

[RUDE DOG - Steelers]

My wife is a teacher with a Bachelors degree, ESL certification and speaks 4 languges.  10 years later, still makes under $58k.  There is a total lack of respect for teachers anymore, from politicians, to parents and especially kids.  Another area of where this country values are totally screwed up. 

[bigguy]

My wife is a teacher with a Bachelors degree, ESL certification and speaks 4 languges.  10 years later, still makes under $58k.  There is a total lack of respect for teachers anymore, from politicians, to parents and especially kids.  Another area of where this country values are totally screwed up.  

+1

If I were king of the forest, we'd pay cops, teachers, and firefighters the way we pay sports and movie stars, and we'd pay sports and movie stars they way we currently pay teachers, cops, and firefighters.
I don't blame the celebs for taking what they can get. I would too. The problem is that we value the celebs more than we do firefighters, teachers and cops. What ever rational somebody wants to use, we as a nation demonstrate our priorities with our money. It's a sad indictment on values.

[fast black]

One of our boys is a teacher in Lincoln, Ne.  He makes between $250.00-$300.00 per day.  He also gets some added income from gifts, and such.  He was going to change careers and go to private sector, but he has become used to having the vacation at christmas, spring break, summers off, snow days, etc.  He still needs to work 180 days out of 365 though. 
All in all he is pretty happy with his profession. 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

I had some very good and some very bad teachers over the years as did my children. One of my brothers was a collage professor and my two sister in laws were both high school teachers, one at Tech in Indy which was, I think a pretty tough school.

In third grade I saw a teacher tie a student up with a jump rope, gag him and leave him in the boys restroom all day. I also saw her break a ruler over his head once. In 2'nd grade I had a teacher who constantly used the N word, I felt pretty badly for the lone black girl in the class who had to listen to it.

I saw a 6'th grader get 25 whacks with a paddle once in the same school. I probably got 40 whacks total there but never got more than 5 at once and I deserved every one of them. Setting off fireworks in the milk line and teaching other kids how to shoot pins with spitwads wrapped around the heads through straws were a couple of reasons for my whacks. 

In 9'th grade while skipping out of school to party in the park in nearby Terre Haute we drove by our typing teacher making out on a blanket with one of the senior students. We stopped the car, honked and waved till they saw us. That was one class I didn't have any trouble passing after that.

Teachers are just like the rest of us, there on good teachers, moderately good teachers, moderately bad teachers and teachers who could never make it in the real world.

I got married the 2'nd week of my senior year of high school, my wife was in the same class. She was the first girl in our town to go to school visibly pregnant. The year was 1975 and until then pregnant girls would just disappear amid rumors and come back afterwards occasionally but usually not. One of our older teachers flunked my wife and gave me a D even though we both had B's or A's in his class. When I went to the administrator about it he said that "right or wrong, he had tenure, was near retirement and could do what ever he wanted". That seems like a good example of a "bad one" to me.

That was a long time ago, I guess forgiveness isn't one of my strong points.

[fast black]

Well my son doesn't work 7 to 5 and he doesn't spend 3 hr. a night correcting  assignments either.  Four of my neighbors are teachers and they aren't  at work from 7-5  either.  Now I don't know if they are correcting papers at night or not. 
You couldn't pay me enough money to be a teacher.  I could not handle the students.  It takes a special  person  to put up with some of those kids.                                   

[RoadKill]

I have not had time to read every post in this thread...Sorry if I am redundant or step on any toes here.  

I hate the description  "Public Servant", but that is how I view our teachers. Same as I see Law enforcement, emergency medical,Firemen, U.S. SOLDIERS  etc...   Every one of them is doing a job that can make an incredible difference in our lives (and our loved ones lives !) with out near enough credit or pay. They are the necessary services in society just as farmers and repairmen are.  

With out marketing executives and sports announcers,Justin Bieber and Britney Spears or Tom Cruise or Oprah...we will survive !  Sports hero,politician,travel broker,salesman,or what ever...ask your self, are you necessary to survival?  "Public Servants" ARE NECESSARY  !  All the rest are just Zombies waiting for rescue. If you do not have skills helpful to public you are Zombie food!   Will you be necessary when there is chaos and disorder? Teachers will be more necessary than EVER !  

Every one of those services I mentioned (and MANY more) are fundamental to our standard of living and yet Oprah and the NFL get all the money ! That is a broken system  

[wastingtime]

Do the janitors in your school system make MORE than the teachers do?  Most of the ones in our tiny rural school do.  At least a fair amount more than the starting teachers do.  I don't know why I was shocked when I discovered this way back when my kids were in school but I was.  Of course the school needs janitors--but for the broom pusher to make MORE than the person with the 4 or 5 year degree seemed wrong then and it still seems wrong now.

Most of the teachers here either have a second job in the summer---camp counselor;  local amusement park work or local race track and concert venue.  Of course it IS cool to be able to meet rock stars but surely these people would rather be sitting on the lawn listening instead of working in the heat or rain to make ends meet.

Or they have their own business.  On the side. 

My son's fiance just graduated with a degree--at the very top of her class 4.0 the entire way thru---and she will be paying her loans back forever.  And she---and several other people we know with teaching degrees---cannot find a job in the school systems.  Oh there are jobs out there---one friend has been a "floating substitute" for years now---and another took a job in the "Inner City" of Baltimore for the write down on his and his wifes' loans---my future daughter in law is lucky to have found a job at a private "school" and also to have a second job tutoring.  She now has something like a 13 hour day.  Do YOU work a 13 hour day---or would you be HAPPY working like that?  But sadly this is what it takes for a passionate excellent skilled teacher to just pay the bills today.  Oh---and NO BENEFITS either. 

Hey---maybe we could put a system in place that bankers bonus' are taxed to provide education funds!    Just sayin'

[GreenLantern57]

Two words that should not be spoken or be put in the same sentence. Overpaid, teacher.
Teachers I know also spend thier summertime in class getting thier manditory training done.  So techically they don't get that summer off.

[Jeff K]

I know this will make some people mad, but I have to ask?

Why would someone spend tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to get an education in a field that is not known to be a well paying position? Was it a surprise?

I did not go to college. I went to a tech school. I knew I wouldn't find suitable pay in my field in my home town, so I moved to where the money was. I'm not a 1%er but I'm doing fine. And I didn't have any school loans to pay off. It was the choice I made.

As I tell the guys on our production floor that complain about their jobs, "we are all exactly where we wanted to be, because if you really wanted to be doing something else you would make it happen."

Some people compromise pay to stay in their home town, some give up home for a better living, some compromise pay because they don't want to work weekends or nights. We all made our own choices.

I have nothing against teachers, but it was a chosen profession, no one forced them to be low paid teachers.

Donning flame proof suit.

[Valker]

Yeppers, I knew what I was getting in to. I took a 50% pay
cut to go back to teaching 30 years ago. I wanted to travel in the summers. I'm happy.

[Skinhead]

+1

If I were king of the forest, we'd pay cops, teachers, and firefighters the way we pay sports and movie stars, and we'd pay sports and movie stars they way we currently pay teachers, cops, and firefighters.
I don't blame the celebs for taking what they can get. I would too. The problem is that we value the celebs more than we do firefighters, teachers and cops. What ever rational somebody wants to use, we as a nation demonstrate our priorities with our money. It's a sad indictment on values.

I could not agree with you more.  The whole pro sports thing and the contracts the players get, I can't believe there isn't more of a ruckus made about it.  Then there are the owners and what they are able to fleece from people willing to support their teams.  I for one will not do it.  There is no way I would pay for tickets to any of their events.  And don't even get me started on the Superbowl tickets. 

[Jeff K]

+1

If I were king of the forest, we'd pay cops, teachers, and firefighters the way we pay sports and movie stars, and we'd pay sports and movie stars they way we currently pay teachers, cops, and firefighters.
I don't blame the celebs for taking what they can get. I would too. The problem is that we value the celebs more than we do firefighters, teachers and cops. What ever rational somebody wants to use, we as a nation demonstrate our priorities with our money. It's a sad indictment on values.

I could not agree with you more.  The whole pro sports thing and the contracts the players get, I can't believe there isn't more of a ruckus made about it.  Then there are the owners and what they are able to fleece from people willing to support their teams.  I for one will not do it.  There is no way I would pay for tickets to any of their events.  And don't even get me started on the Superbowl tickets. 

Tickets? I'll bet there is more money in licensed merchandise than seats. I don't care much for sports, the 1%ers in the sports business never get any of my money, because I chose not to support them. Grown men playing games for millions of dollars.

[x]

Now... I'll be the turd in the punchbowl too.  In Indiana teachers make an average of $48K per year.  And they work a lot during the 180 days of school... but they also get 14 weeks per year off, if they CHOOSE to not teach summer school.  That ain't so bad...

Wow!  Four grand a month!  I'd be on easy street with that kind of dough.

[Momz]

I have to agree with Jeff K.
Why would you frustrate your life and go broke doing it?

I also believe that our Public Education System is a form of socialism.
Remember the Bush "The No Child Left Behind"? Well why not? why should taxpayers pay for children of illiegal immigrants and welfare baby makers?

We should get rid of Socialized Education and make it a "pay to learn" system. If you can't pay or don't want to learn, then dig ditches or sort through garbage.

When was the last time a Teachers union made any contractual consessions? Many other workers have had to make severe sacrifices to keep their jobs.

Flame Away!

[G-Man]

What's the problem with education?.............

The kids on the Maury show, who's mother thinks the father could be one of a dozen scumbags, are in the classroom.  Then they go home to that wonderful mother, if she's not out banging a dozen other "men" who could be the second kid's father.

The other thing,... we're spending TOO much tax money on public education.  We need to have parents pay something so they have a skin in the game.  Maybe then, they'll care a little bit.  My school taxes for this year hit $6,000.  I was discussing this with my wife and we figured that there "may be" one kid in the school system for every 5 houses in the town.  We thought this was a conservative figure.  5 houses is $30,000 for each kid in the public school system.  One of the more expensive private schools in the area (Hackley), costs about that same $30,000, but the graduates are going on to Yale, Harvard, Cornell, etc. at a 100% graduation rate.  What's the difference, parents pay for private school, and mom is sure who the kids father is.

[Tony Z]

Toot, toot, toot……...  Sure teachers are a valuable asset and they do make a difference in society, but so do most everyone else who is working. EVERY JOB EVERYONE HAS IS JUST AS IMPORTANT.  In this country we get to choose what profession or career path we want to pursue. The cost of higher education is necessary to some, and should be considered a sound career investment. A lot of us had to pay off student loans and continue to pay for ongoing education in the field we have chosen, and it takes time out of our lives,,, SO WHAT…
   
They claim to be overworked and underpaid ???   Teachers are more fortunate than most when it comes to the salaries they make in contrast to the actual time they put in.  Michigan starts them at 35K, 48K average, and upwards of 100K for higher education positions (not to mention retirement pension and benefits).  Not bad for around 180 days per year of work, no matter how many hours a day. 

Amongst many others, the ones that you never hear tooting their own horn, or singing the “woe is me” tune are the self employed, small businessman.  They make their own salaries, depending on the amount of time and energy we devote to the job.  They don’t have a set pay, and certainly cannot take 2 or more consecutive months off without major ramifications.  When work dries up, most cannot collect unemployment, and they actually have to create their own retirement pension.

You chose your profession knowing full well what the good and bad points were.  Stop looking for accolades and feeling more entitled than the next.  In today’s economy, stop the “toot-toot-toot“ and be thankful the majority of us still have jobs.

[The Anvil]

I also believe that our Public Education System is a form of socialism.

You're right, it is. But it's one area where the socialists have it right.

It's going to be a great deal of fun listening to people like you complain when you're bedridden and dying that the generation changing your diapers doesn't give a crap about you. If I believed in karma I'd say something pithy like "ain't karma a bitch". But I don't so I won't.

Sure, let's add paying for school on TOP OF high taxes (because you know they ain't going down).  I don't think some of you people realize just how ignorant and retarded (in the "backwards" sense of the word) you sound sometimes. Let's create a perpetual class of "garbage diggers" who can never rise above their station in life. The class/caste system works so well for India, so why not here too? Just take the one thing that makes America truly great (the sky-is-the-limit opportunity for anyone) and toss it out the window like so much bathwater. That will make us so much stronger as a nation. Great idea.

ORRRRRR, we could just concentrate on making the current system effective and efficient. But why do that? Then a black man might be in the White House someday. Ooops! Too late.

[Momz]

I hate to respond to this post but I will,....ANVIL, YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP!
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I have paid dearly in property taxes while living in the city of Detroit. Detroit has the distinction of a HS graduation rate of below 25%. The latest statistic on graduating senior females last summer was that 55% were pregnant. Are the schools supposed to teach morality, and birth control too?

The Detroit education department has been under federal investigation for years now because of all the corrupt administators on down to individual school principles as well as teachers.

Detroit is financialy broke due not only to corruption but the lack of money coming into the city due to the shrinking tax base.

I now reside in Dearborn Hts. but my taxes have skyrocketed due to having to pay for both Dearborn and Dearborn Hts. schools, along with monies going to the "Star Acadamies" wich are muslim based charter schools. At the "Star Acadamies" english is taught as a second language and these schools stress the importance of Sharia Law, not constitutional law. American history can be an elective, not a requirement.

We're putting our daughter through a private Universary currently. But she started taking college lasses at age 12 at Wayne State University. Before my daughter graduated HS she had completed 27 college credit hours.

Some were from Wayne State, U of M, and HFCC as well as also attending the Dearborn Center for Math, Science, and Technology.

My wife and I paid to send our daughter to college classes without re-imbursment (except HFCC).

Property taxes pay for schools, whether you have one child or ten. The taxes on a 100K house don't increase because you have one or a dozen kids.

Just this last summer it was dicovered in Allen Park MI. that a third grade teacher was making over 80K per year. Why so much? Because she had a Masters Degree. You do not need a Masters to teach 3rd graders.

[Tony Z]

I hate to respond to this post but I will,....ANVIL, YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP!

 

[The Anvil]

I hate to respond to this post but I will,....ANVIL, YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP!

No I'm 100% right.

Please note: I didn't say that the system isn't in need of drastic overhaul. It's clearly broken. But public education served this country very well for many decades. The answer is not to throw the baby out with the bathwater but rather to get it back to what it used to be.

"Just this last summer it was dicovered in Allen Park MI. that a third grade teacher was making over 80K per year. Why so much? Because she had a Masters Degree. You do not need a Masters to teach 3rd graders."

That one is a highly polished nugget of ignorance. While the subject matter may not require a master's degree there's a big difference between simply understanding the subject matter in the lesson plan and knowing how to properly educate young minds. That should REQUIRE a master's degree IMO. Third grade is a highly formative and critical age. The fact that too many teachers are under-qualified is a big part of the reason we're in this mess. A teacher making 80k a year (not really a lot these days BTW) with a degree they probably paid 80k (or more) to acquire is not a problem in my book if the teacher in question is good at their job.

[Monkey Boy]

I hate to respond to this post but I will,....ANVIL, YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP!

No I'm 100% right.

Please note: I didn't say that the system isn't in need of drastic overhaul. It's clearly broken. But public education served this country very well for many decades. The answer is not to throw the baby out with the bathwater but rather to get it back to what it used to be.

"Just this last summer it was dicovered in Allen Park MI. that a third grade teacher was making over 80K per year. Why so much? Because she had a Masters Degree. You do not need a Masters to teach 3rd graders."

That one is a highly polished nugget of ignorance. While the subject matter may not require a master's degree there's a big difference between simply understanding the subject matter in the lesson plan and knowing how to properly educate young minds. That should REQUIRE a master's degree IMO. Third grade is a highly formative and critical age. The fact that too many teachers are under-qualified is a big part of the reason we're in this mess. A teacher making 80k a year (not really a lot these days BTW) with a degree they probably paid 80k (or more) to acquire is not a problem in my book if the teacher in question is good at their job.

 

[michaelyoung254]

I've been following this thread from the beginning, and tried to keep my opinions to myself, but I have to throw in my two-cents worth into the fray. I'm always reading (not just here, but in news, and other sites as well) how teachers are overpaid for how long they work each year. I really can't speak about anywhere outside of Texas, but I know a lot of teachers, and I don’t know any of them that make anywhere near $80,000 or more per year. Typically, the closer to the war zones, the higher the salary. I do however have a friend who teaches math at an inner-city school in Houston that makes a little over $60,000, but his salary has a lot to do with the fact that he has a Masters Degree, tutors three days a week, plus he teaches summer school every summer. If you teach out in the sticks as I do, your salary will not be anywhere close to that. I have a Masters Degree as well, but unfortunately his salary is substantially more than mine. I know that some are going to chime in about how we also have such great benefits too, but that’s not necessarily true either. In Texas, while our retirement is fairly decent, our health insurance is outrageously expensive. I have the medium policy (all I can afford) which isn’t all that bad, but it costs about $1,000 per month.  If I went with the top policy which is much better, the cost would be almost $1,600 per month.

[The Anvil]

Nobody bitches when a truck driver pulls down 80 grand (nor should they, odds are you are underpaid no matter what you do) but teachers seem to be favorite targets of certain groups. 80 grand is NOT a lot of money in 2011. It's just not. Are there teachers who suck? Sure (though I must honestly say that I can't recall meeting one recently). But the good ones are worth their weight in gold.

But even so, what's so wrong with getting a good education, applying that education in a noble field and then earning a decent living wage doing it, maybe even enough so that your own spouse can raise your children without having to work full time themselves? If that concept bothers you then you should re-examine your values because they're not really compatible with the American dream.

Or maybe some people are just jealous because some other people made something of their lives and don't toil at something they hate.

[RoadKill]

Any one that makes more than I do should have their asses taxed off ! ! !

[The Anvil]

Any one that makes more than I do should have their asses taxed off ! ! !

Yeah that too.

[Jeff K]

Any one that makes more than I do should have their asses taxed off ! ! !

Add to that

No one should get a refund higher than the amount they actually PAID IN.

[Momz]

America was not founded on Socialism.

If you want to pay for your childs education and pay exhorbadant salaries,...go ahead. That is free enterprize (the basis of our government).

I'm no flaming conservative nor am I some bleeding heart, so my opinions are based on Constitutional Law and the fact that as a taxpayer and a product of the public school system and I have strong opinions based on personal experiences.

I grew up poor and in our school system the "less than fortunate" were not encouraged to persue higher education, but rather find work in the auto plants and supplier industries.

My wife grew up in the more affuent side of Dearborn and there was a distinct dispairity in teaching styles and career and professional development for the students.

My parents would have liked to send my brother and I to a private school or at least cross-town.

We payed dearly for our daughters education and we would sacrifice again if we had to. However the pay that is given as compensation to inept teachers and the salaries of the school administrators is sinful to say the least.

I firmly believe that any presidential candidate worth even worth listening to should address the abolition of Socialized Education. How many of the people on this board want Socialized Healthcare? It would be a start a fixing our nations economic problems as well and as a disinsentive for illegal immigration. Paying to educate those that refuse to learn is just throwing taxpayer money away.

Like I said before FLAME AWAY!