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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2011, 08:04:01 PM » |
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I would think that would be a fairly obvious condition (missing pads). At least they aren't trying to hide or deny it.
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2011, 06:38:59 AM » |
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We have not seen any yet. But I would imagine a tech should find that when they perform the PDI (pre-dilevery Inspection). We have to test drive the cars when we are done. Like Skinhead said. It SHOULD be pretty obvious.......
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2011, 06:42:16 AM » |
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Brakes are an extra cost option.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2011, 06:49:00 AM » |
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You might not be laughing if you rented one and wound up under a tractor trailer. It's also made less funny by the fact that they were assembled here in the US.
And it doesn't actually say that they "forgot to install them". More likely the pads failed and fell out.
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Skinhead
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2011, 08:56:16 AM » |
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You might not be laughing if you rented one and wound up under a tractor trailer. It's also made less funny by the fact that they were assembled here in the US.
And it doesn't actually say that they "forgot to install them". More likely the pads failed and fell out.
Very True, doesn't say that they weren't installed. I'm sure the pads come POA of the caliper and possibly of the whole steering knuckle to the assembly plant, so it is probably a supplier issue. There is a brake force test as part of the dynamic vehicle test at the end of assembly, and if it wasn't caught there, would lead me to think they fell out after leaving the plant. I'll try to post the root cause of the problem if I can find out. BTW, the vehicle was assembled here, no telling where the brake assemblies were made. Anyone want too guess? |
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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2011, 11:37:36 AM » |
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In the comments for that article, someone was blaming Obama for it! Imagine how sweet life in the USA would be if you didn't have presidents hiding in every nook an cranny, waiting for the opportunity to mess something up!
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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2011, 12:22:05 PM » |
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In the comments for that article, someone was blaming Obama for it! Imagine how sweet life in the USA would be if you didn't have presidents hiding in every nook an cranny, waiting for the opportunity to mess something up!
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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2012, 05:21:01 PM » |
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I knew a guy who put the brake pads on backwards with the metal against the rotor. He heard about metal master pads and thought that is what they were.  |
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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2012, 06:03:20 PM » |
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You might not be laughing if you rented one and wound up under a tractor trailer. It's also made less funny by the fact that they were assembled here in the US.
And it doesn't actually say that they "forgot to install them". More likely the pads failed and fell out.
Very True, doesn't say that they weren't installed. I'm sure the pads come POA of the caliper and possibly of the whole steering knuckle to the assembly plant, so it is probably a supplier issue. There is a brake force test as part of the dynamic vehicle test at the end of assembly, and if it wasn't caught there, would lead me to think they fell out after leaving the plant. I'll try to post the root cause of the problem if I can find out. BTW, the vehicle was assembled here, no telling where the brake assemblies were made. Anyone want too guess? This is correct. In the 3 different assembly plants that I have worked at this part is preassembled outside the facility at a supplier. Unfortunately this is what happens when things get shipped out and not done in house. This is an unfortunate event that happened because this car is the new "future" car for GM. I know that both GM and the UAW worked very hard to get this product brought to the U.S. from Korea and a supplier issue gives it a black eye. It is a shame. |
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« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2012, 05:34:25 PM » |
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I worked 7 years for a supplier to GM. Without those low cost suppliers there would be no way the UAW jobs in the assembly plants would exist.
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2012, 04:52:47 AM » |
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I worked 7 years for a supplier to GM. Without those low cost suppliers there would be no way the UAW jobs in the assembly plants would exist.
I don't want to start a war here but I see things the opposite way. Without the assembly jobs there would be no need for suppliers. I too worked for a supplier for 6 years before I went to assembly. |
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2012, 11:32:47 AM » |
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You might not be laughing if you rented one and wound up under a tractor trailer. It's also made less funny by the fact that they were assembled here in the US.
And it doesn't actually say that they "forgot to install them". More likely the pads failed and fell out.
Somehow I think the missing pads would be noticed before the vehicle became a rental. I think they are driven onto trucks and off again at the dealers lot. Maybe some one would notice? |
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2012, 11:34:42 AM » |
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whoever put the things on should have noticed something aint right
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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2012, 11:53:42 AM » |
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You might not be laughing if you rented one and wound up under a tractor trailer. It's also made less funny by the fact that they were assembled here in the US.
And it doesn't actually say that they "forgot to install them". More likely the pads failed and fell out.
Somehow I think the missing pads would be noticed before the vehicle became a rental. I think they are driven onto trucks and off again at the dealers lot. Maybe some one would notice? Naa they are used to driving General Mess'o Craps where the brakes kinda work, probably stops about the same.  |
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2012, 03:32:32 PM » |
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I am GM tech at a Chevy dealer. I read the recall the other day. Yep, in just a few cars one pad was left out of the caliper. For a car to get off of the assembly line with missing brake pads is stupid. If it gets to the buyer like that it is just plain inexcusable.
After a new car is delivered to the dealer it is sent to the service department to be PDI'd. (Pre-Dilivery Inspection). Where we look them over,check lights,accessories and test the battery. After that we drive them (my test drive is typically 6 miles). Check and make sure everything is working and listen for any abnormal noises and such. All this is documented on the PDI sheet that we sign. The battery test for instance,the tester has a printout that MUST be stapled to the repair order. If any problems are found they are to be repaired prior to the car going on the lot. After the car is checked over it is sent to clean up for its first clean,than to the lot. So you see there are many opportunities to find potential problems before the customer buys the vehicle. Sure somethings can get missed BUT missing brake pads, please that should be found BEFORE the customer EVER even sees that car.
Oh by the way. The Sonic is assembled in Michigan. So no one can blame that on China. Yep it was made in a Union shop. One car is a mistake. Two a bigger mistake. More than that. Someone is not doing their freeking job.
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