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lets say ya have a million dollar health ins. policy.. ya ride yer mc. without a helmet and ya crash.. yer brain dead but still alive.. yer in intensive care for several weeks... there goes yer million bucks...now who's gonna pay??well I suppose your family could sell the house and property but how long will that money last.. so Then the hospital eats it and writes it off.. so to recoup their loss they raise their rates... so then the insurance company raises their rates and on and ON
Same story for those that were wearing their helmet. They (helmets) don't prevent that brain dead patient, they only might coulda reduced the risk of, no guarantee's.  This logic doesn't fly. There's a finite probability of getting a brain injury even while wearing a helmet, so why bother wearing one? By the same reasoning, the upstairs floor in my house doesn't prevent me from falling to the ground floor, it only might coulda reduce the risk of, no guarantees. There's a finite probability of falling through the floor, so why bother having a floor in the first place? Yes, that's an exaggeration for effect, but not as much as you might think. I don't know numbers, but the probability of a brain injury without a helmet is significantly higher than with. For low impact wrecks, probability without a helmet is in the medium range, while probability with a helmet is in the negligible range. For mid-range impact wrecks, probability without is in the high to severe range, while probability with is in the medium range. For high impact wrecks, probability without is in the "guaranteed" range, while probability with is in the high to severe range. Just because someone you know was in a high impact wreck that overwhelmed the helmet's ability to protect, doesn't mean that you should give up the benefits of one. That being said, make your own choice. I won't tell you to wear one or not. However, I don't want people to pretend there's no safety to be gained by wearing one. Pretending that is at best making excuses to yourself or others for your choice. If you have made an informed choice to not wear one ("I know the pros (safety, wind/bug protection, etc.) and the cons (hot, uncomfortable, no wind through my hair, etc.) but choose not to"), then a free country should allow that. I know the pros and cons but choose to wear one. A choice should be made accompanied by knowledge, not propaganda from EITHER side. Mark Well said. |
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I am a believer in helmet, gloves, jacket (leather or ballistic), and boots. I know my jeans won't take much of an impact, but they are better than bare skin. If I could just find a pair of comfortable riding pants that look decent for day to day wear, but protect well, I would be all set.
check out dragginjeans.com kevlar ling in knees and butt.. also there are some pretty cool lookin ones on ebay from australia.. more kevlar than the dragginjeans.. just do a search on ebay fro kevlar jeans.. i cant tell ya from experience that jeans are about 5% better than bear skin.. the disinttegrate almot instantly.. I am also gonna check out those fire hose pants i saw advertised..I 4get the manufacturer but i am sure a search would be easy..if anyone is interested I have a pair of lightly used draggin jeans 36 waist 34 length that seem to have shrunk in the closet.. pm me if yer interested |
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Most forget but yours/theirs auto insurance covers your accident medical up to a certain $$ amount then your health ins kicks in.
I'd rather pay for a injured rider then the baby factory mom that would rather mate and smoke cigs then work. These kinda of folks abuse the system. This is what needs changed, not helmet laws.
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ok lets change helmets to condoms................
and with all due respect to all the married men here...............
how would you feel if BIG BROTHER told you it was manitory to wear a rubber while bangging your wife?
try this dont tell her let it be a surprize,and when she asks tell her its for her safety, the goverment says so
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Had a lady t-bone a semi hauling steers today. She hit him in the side at 75 mph. Ripped the entire front end off the car. I had to walk around the front axle/ tire (front WD) and the entire engine with main wiring harness. It was 150' away from the car. She had minor injuries. She was not seat belted.
Had a 2 yr old get ripped out of a car by the seat belt after a minor side swipe. It was not very pretty.
Helmets, seat belts. On or off, they save lives either way.
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Rolled a Van over and down and embankment.
No seat belt.
I lived duh.
Jumped a motocross bicycle about 40 feet out and 15 feet up and landed in a roadway on pavement, no helmet. I lived.
Hit an Anthill on a Motocross Track at 45mph, this is an obstacle that you are supposed to roll up and run hard down it.
I hit it at 40 and I think if I use the adjusted theorem, I was at least 30 feet in the air and landed squarely
blowing out the seals on both rear shocks, I lived.
But slowed down on the Anthill on the next lap, I learned.
Jumped off a Rock Ledge 20ft above the water, into 90 ft of water, head first, hit a rock after entry to the water.
I lived.
Rode the Dragon over 250 times, sometimes with clean underwear, I lived.
If it's your time, well then it's been good knowing yah, see you on the other side.
Ten Helmets and Ten seat belts will not keep you here if it is your time.
Sorry if you think it will.
But by all means wear them if you get a warm fuzzy from the fact you are doing all you can to be safe.
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Seems like there may have been some misinterpretation over the intent of my previous post under this thread.
I'll try to clarify:
Wearing a helmet will not prevent a brain injury but may reduce the risk, depending on the trauma.
I do believe helmets can provide some protection vs not wearing one.
By all means, wear one if this makes you feel safe. Be sure to get the right one as not all are as safe as others.
I have been in a couple of accidents during my time; going down on I-5 on one, and the bike going end over end on another. As someone else mentioned, I feel when its your time, helmet or not, its just that.
The question was asked: would I not want to be wearing a helmet when taking a blow to the head? Yes, by all means, just as I would prefer to be wearing some bullet proof protective gear if ever taking on gunfire, but I won't wear a suit of armour 24/7 just in case.
I'm very pleased to live in a state, and be surrounded by states where they still allow you to decide when to don your protective gear vs mandate it.
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BOTTOM LINE.. first tho let me say I sometimes dont wear a helmet but not often..BUT .. the state could give a RATSASS if you die in a mc. accident.. what they are dealing with is the HIGH COSTS of dealing with the aftermath of people who are in accidents and are brain dead.. so they are going w statistics and trying to reduce those COSTS to the state and the taxpayers.. it is CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDABLE..when I was 17 living in ohio they enacted a helmet law.. I PISSED AND MOANED...ITS UNCONSTITUTIONAL and all that. 2 weeks later I was takin my buddy home on my mc. he fliiped off a carload of dipshits from a neighboring town and the chase was on. a car pulled in front uf us and we were doin 70 in a 25.. took out the right front fender and flew 47 frt. over the car. hit forehead first. I am CONVINCED if it werent fo a helmet I wouldnt be here.. I guess that mighta made Willow's life a bit easier but he'll just have to DEAL WITH IT   Seems like there may have been some misinterpretation over the intent of my previous post under this thread. I'll try to clarify: Wearing a helmet will not prevent a brain injury but may reduce the risk, depending on the trauma. I do believe helmets can provide some protection vs not wearing one. By all means, wear one if this makes you feel safe. Be sure to get the right one as not all are as safe as others. I have been in a couple of accidents during my time; going down on I-5 on one, and the bike going end over end on another. As someone else mentioned, I feel when its your time, helmet or not, its just that. The question was asked: would I not want to be wearing a helmet when taking a blow to the head? Yes, by all means, just as I would prefer to be wearing some bullet proof protective gear if ever taking on gunfire, but I won't wear a suit of armour 24/7 just in case. I'm very pleased to live in a state, and be surrounded by states where they still allow you to decide when to don your protective gear vs mandate it. |
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I'll try to clarify: Wearing a helmet will not prevent a brain injury but may reduce the risk, depending on the trauma. With all due respect, to clarify further I think you ment that a helmet will not eliminate brain injury but may, and probably will, reduce the effect of trauma on the head. |
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One of the summary conclusions from the 1981 Hurt report (still the most comprehensive motorcycle accident study conducted): "Helmeted riders and passengers showed significantly lower head and neck injury for all types of injury, at all levels of injury severity. " The summary can be found here: http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle-Safety/Hurt-study-summary.htmThe full report can be read here: http://people.delphiforums.com/barnettdh/013695.pdfA very sobering interview with Harry Hurt discussing brain trauma as related to motorcycle accidents can be read here: http://people.delphiforums.com/barnettdh/200502Hurt.pdfNote that there are no claims that helmets will totally prevent or eliminate head injury or death, just that they will improve your chances. A lot. Wear one or don't, that should be your decision. Just don't rationalize that there's no safety advantage to wearing one when you make your decision. |
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« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2012, 02:01:27 PM » |
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For those who live in SC, or maybe someone who travels here frequently and like the freedom, they are trying to pass a mandatory helmet law this Tuesday the 10th. I hope there's a good turnout in Columbia. I live in SC and hope no one but the legislators show up.....  IMO < That seems to cover everything. I don't now nor will I ever buy into the "one more freedom lost" bull crap...... For the record I don't care if you do or don't wear a helmet.....However I am sick to death of seeing grown adult men and women ride around with rags wrapped around their heads thinking it makes them look cool.....It doesn't. IMO.....maybe even with an H thrown in for good measure. |
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In a not too distant past, I was one of those who believed that it was right for the Gov't to make these laws... But I have come to see the REAL issue here...
I wear a helmet ALL the time. For the same reason that the author of the article does... I have 6 daughters that are going to need me to bury the boyfriends when they break their hearts, so I need to make sure I stick around. But that is MY CHOICE!!!
Our legislators need to start focusing on managing themselves better before they start telling the people how to live.
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For those who live in SC, or maybe someone who travels here frequently and like the freedom, they are trying to pass a mandatory helmet law this Tuesday the 10th. I hope there's a good turnout in Columbia. I live in SC and hope no one but the legislators show up..... IMO < That seems to cover everything. I don't now nor will I ever buy into the "one more freedom lost" bull crap...... For the record I don't care if you do or don't wear a helmet.....However I am sick to death of seeing grown adult men and women ride around with rags wrapped around their heads thinking it makes them look cool.....It doesn't. IMO.....maybe even with an H thrown in for good measure. I guess you'll never join ABATE then! lol. This is America and we should have the freedom to choose. It is a personal choice and if one dies from no helmet they are not endangering anyone else. There are times i wear helmets and times I don't, but want it to be my choice- not to be told and force to! As far as the rag head wrapped stuff, I don't wear them and prefer to go naked!  When it's 90+ degrees, I want all the wind I can get. But if someone likes doo-rags that's their choice. As far as looking cool, I'm well past those years and and opt for comfort rather than cool!  |
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In a not too distant past, I was one of those who believed that it was right for the Gov't to make these laws... But I have come to see the REAL issue here...
I wear a helmet ALL the time. For the same reason that the author of the article does... I have 6 daughters that are going to need me to bury the boyfriends when they break their hearts, so I need to make sure I stick around. But that is MY CHOICE!!!
Our legislators need to start focusing on managing themselves better before they start telling the people how to live.
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Rolled a Van over and down and embankment.
No seat belt.
I lived duh.
Jumped a motocross bicycle about 40 feet out and 15 feet up and landed in a roadway on pavement, no helmet. I lived.
Hit an Anthill on a Motocross Track at 45mph, this is an obstacle that you are supposed to roll up and run hard down it.
I hit it at 40 and I think if I use the adjusted theorem, I was at least 30 feet in the air and landed squarely
blowing out the seals on both rear shocks, I lived.
But slowed down on the Anthill on the next lap, I learned.
Jumped off a Rock Ledge 20ft above the water, into 90 ft of water, head first, hit a rock after entry to the water.
I lived.
Rode the Dragon over 250 times, sometimes with clean underwear, I lived.
If it's your time, well then it's been good knowing yah, see you on the other side.
Ten Helmets and Ten seat belts will not keep you here if it is your time.
Sorry if you think it will.
But by all means wear them if you get a warm fuzzy from the fact you are doing all you can to be safe.
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Lost my 18 year old son may 26 2011...he just turned 18 on the 17 of may....last day of high school....signed his letter of intent to play college baseball around 11 that morning...had his senior picnic and didnt make it home....died 1/4of a mile from the house.He was wearing a dot approved full coverage helmet and it didnt do him any good....died from head trauma...the helmet actually split...so i believe it should be the riders choice to make what he wears or chooses not to wear....when your time is up it doesnt matter what you have on...we are never promised tomorrow so live life to the fullest and tell the people you love everyday that you love them....definitly the hardest thing me and my wife have ever done was making arrangements to bury our baby boy....ride safe and thank God for each day.....
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SORRY for your loss Mike.. I personally am not concerned about death.. its not dyin and having a brain injury that prompts me to wear a lid.. I have 2 friends in rest homes now from mc. accidents and brain injury and it has devestated the families finances..RIDE SAFE
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« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2012, 04:48:54 AM » |
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Lost my 18 year old son may 26 2011...he just turned 18 on the 17 of may....last day of high school....signed his letter of intent to play college baseball around 11 that morning...had his senior picnic and didnt make it home....died 1/4of a mile from the house.He was wearing a dot approved full coverage helmet and it didnt do him any good....died from head trauma...the helmet actually split...so i believe it should be the riders choice to make what he wears or chooses not to wear....when your time is up it doesnt matter what you have on...we are never promised tomorrow so live life to the fullest and tell the people you love everyday that you love them....definitly the hardest thing me and my wife have ever done was making arrangements to bury our baby boy....ride safe and thank God for each day.....
Mike I am so very sorry to hear about your son and as a father I can just only imagine. For you to write this, this carries more weight and is spot on more than anyone's opinion on any forum IMHO!! I am a firm believer that we all have our appointed time. Again, so sorry for your loss. |
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if a woman has a right to have an abortion, i should have the right to ride without a helmet. i stopped wearing my seatbelt when it became manditory.
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Yes Alph I too run around without a seatbelt when I am alone and not influencing anyone else.
Sometimes I ride my bike in my own yard with no helmet.
Can I get a ticket for that? I don't really know.
But I always and Fudgie told me too,,,RUN WITH SCISSORS IN MY HAND.
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But I always and Fudgie told me too,,,RUN WITH SCISSORS IN MY HAND.
Support your local EMTs and ride, drive, without safety equipment, and always run with scissors.
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if a woman has a right to have an abortion, i should have the right to ride without a helmet. i stopped wearing my seatbelt when it became manditory.
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Seems like there may have been some misinterpretation over the intent of my previous post under this thread.
I'll try to clarify:
Wearing a helmet will not prevent a brain injury but may reduce the risk, depending on the trauma.
I do believe helmets can provide some protection vs not wearing one.
By all means, wear one if this makes you feel safe. Be sure to get the right one as not all are as safe as others.
I have been in a couple of accidents during my time; going down on I-5 on one, and the bike going end over end on another. As someone else mentioned, I feel when its your time, helmet or not, its just that.
The question was asked: would I not want to be wearing a helmet when taking a blow to the head? Yes, by all means, just as I would prefer to be wearing some bullet proof protective gear if ever taking on gunfire, but I won't wear a suit of armour 24/7 just in case.
I'm very pleased to live in a state, and be surrounded by states where they still allow you to decide when to don your protective gear vs mandate it.
If you acknowledge the facts, and make your choice, do what you want. I just don't want to mix the political/legal discussion with the safety discussion. Whether or not I choose to wear a helmet has NO bearing on whether I think the state should make the choice for me. |
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Rolled a Van over and down and embankment.
No seat belt.
I lived duh.
Jumped a motocross bicycle about 40 feet out and 15 feet up and landed in a roadway on pavement, no helmet. I lived.
Hit an Anthill on a Motocross Track at 45mph, this is an obstacle that you are supposed to roll up and run hard down it.
I hit it at 40 and I think if I use the adjusted theorem, I was at least 30 feet in the air and landed squarely
blowing out the seals on both rear shocks, I lived.
But slowed down on the Anthill on the next lap, I learned.
Jumped off a Rock Ledge 20ft above the water, into 90 ft of water, head first, hit a rock after entry to the water.
I lived.
Rode the Dragon over 250 times, sometimes with clean underwear, I lived.
If it's your time, well then it's been good knowing yah, see you on the other side.
Ten Helmets and Ten seat belts will not keep you here if it is your time.
Sorry if you think it will.
But by all means wear them if you get a warm fuzzy from the fact you are doing all you can to be safe.
Once again, that logic doesn't fly. I don't have a "time to go" that cannot be changed by any choices I make. If I walk up the stairs, and step out on the second floor, no amount of flooring or support beams are going to prevent me from falling through if it's "my time to go". Conversely, I could step off the 15th floor balcony, but there's no way I would die, because "my time to go" isn't until next Tuesday when I'm riding with my helmet on. Life is a risk/reward equation. I know the risk of riding, but I choose to accept it to gain the reward of enjoying the ride. I know the risk of walking upstairs, but I choose to accept it to gain the reward of going to the bathroom up there when the downstairs bathroom is occupied. I make an informed choice each time. I regard the probability of the floor collapsing as low enough to not piss my pants. I regard the probability of me needing the helmet as high enough to wear one when I ride. Just because you came out on the positive end of some dangerous situations without a helmet, and other people came out on the negative end of dangerous situations WITH a helmet, doesn't change the facts. Your chances are better WITH the helmet. If you accept that, then do what you like. If you choose to lie to yourself about the facts, then you're not making an informed choice. Mark |
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I'm very sorry for your loss. No parent should ever have to do that. My condolences to your family. I,d like to tell you it will get better, but it won,t, been near twenty years for me, and I still greive everyday. I'm so sorry. Hoser |
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« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2012, 11:37:30 AM » |
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I wear a helmet when I feel like wearing one. I will not debate that with those that would not be affected in the slightest by my choice. It is between myself , loved ones and my God, legislators are not on that list so they can piss off!
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« Reply #70 on: January 08, 2012, 12:00:07 PM » |
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I wear a helmet when I feel like wearing one. I will not debate that with those that would not be affected in the slightest by my choice. It is between myself , loved ones and my God, legislators are not on that list so they can piss off!
I concur with all of the above. Ya'll may have noticed that at NO point have I tried to debate anyone's choice. I am debating facts, and once facts are established, then leaving the choice up to the individual. Unfortunately, helmet laws are designed with the opposite in mind. Thus, I love helmets, but hate helmet laws. Mark |
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« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2012, 12:03:09 PM » |
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if a woman has a right to have an abortion, i should have the right to ride without a helmet. i stopped wearing my seatbelt when it became manditory.
That is about the stupidest thing I have heard in my life. I guess your mother lost her opportunity. why do some people have the right to do what ever they want with their bodies, and others don't? if a woman can abort her child, why shouldn't i have the right to not wear a helmet? what right does the government have to tell me what i can or cannot do with my own body? i don't see why you can't make the connection? maybe you had a head injury and you can't think things through? did your mom drop you on your head as a child, maybe she should have been forced to put a helmet on you as an infant....... |
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Promote world peace, ban all religion. Ride Safe, Ride Often!! |
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« Reply #72 on: January 08, 2012, 01:59:08 PM » |
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Apples & oranges my friend. I wonder what the financial and emotional cost are for the care and feeding of a government mandated helmet for the rest of your life? What is the cost of education for that government mandated helmet? Are the health care cost of that government mandated helmet affordable?
One thing you do have right is: "what right does the government have to tell me what i can or cannot do with my own body?" Just for the record, I am not in favor of helmet laws or abortion laws but I do wear a helmet and am opposed to abortion.
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« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2012, 02:28:50 PM » |
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Should taxpayers support all the children or just your old ass because you wear a helmet to live long enough to become eligible for S.S. dollars that could have been misappropriated elsewhere ? Sad but true!
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« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2012, 03:24:16 PM » |
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Apples & oranges my friend. I wonder what the financial and emotional cost are for the care and feeding of a government mandated helmet for the rest of your life? What is the cost of education for that government mandated helmet? Are the health care cost of that government mandated helmet affordable?
One thing you do have right is: "what right does the government have to tell me what i can or cannot do with my own body?" Just for the record, I am not in favor of helmet laws or abortion laws but I do wear a helmet and am opposed to abortion.
so there! we do think alike!!! |
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Promote world peace, ban all religion. Ride Safe, Ride Often!! |
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« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2012, 03:29:51 PM » |
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Once you get to the point that you accept that it's okay for the government to force motorcyclists to wear a helmet because it's the safe thing to do, you must be prepared to accept the next step and be willing to give up riding a motorcycle entirely because it's the safe thing to do.
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« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2012, 06:39:48 PM » |
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I wear a helmet when I feel like wearing one. I will not debate that with those that would not be affected in the slightest by my choice. It is between myself , loved ones and my God, legislators are not on that list so they can piss off!
Ditto! +1 ...all about personal choice and there are enough laws on the books, some not enforced! |
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« Reply #77 on: January 08, 2012, 07:48:56 PM » |
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My son chose to wear a helmet every time he got on his bike.....would he be alive if he wasn't wearing it...no not at all...the goverment dictates to much of what we can and cant do .....all i want is the choice to wear it or not.....thinking about trying to put a bike run for a baseball scholarship in Cody Kyzer's name to be used for a player to help with the cost of going to college.....not familiar with putting a ride on might have to look for help to get it organized.....buy also wanted to thank the people who offered their condolences.....past 7 months have tested our faith but the only way we keep going is put it in Gods hands and he takes care of us...ride safe and may God watch over us all.....Mike Kyzer
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