Is God Punkin' the Republican Candidates?

[3fan4life]

http://news.yahoo.com/definition-jesus-candidate-203300050.html

 

And the author of the article is an expert, how ?

Christine Jenkins

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An expert in what? Is this how you consider someone else's points of view? All that is - is food for some thought. However, one has to be capable of such thought, consider the PoV and then discard or file.
Personally I think her points are bang-on. Maybe you should consider what she said, compare it to some of the views espoused by various candidates during this freak-show and connect the dots.
(Yeah right...LOL!)

When you can vote for The President of The United States then maybe I'll consider your point of view.

Right now it would seem to me that you are just another foreigner trying to tell us how our country should be ran .

I know quite a few former Canadians that immigrated to the United States because things in Canada especially "Taxes" had gotten to the point that they couldn't take it any longer.

I would suggest that you "fix" your own mess before you tell us how to fix ours.                                                                     

[Bonzo]

This is so funny! SE post a simple yet bombastic statement and gets called a everything up to a potential child molester!  I remember some folks made a big deal about John F Kennedy being a Catholic, so silly. I am sure a lot of people make a big deal over what President Obama is, but we don't use those words any more so they call him a socialist.
Fundamentalist of any religion believe they are right and everyone else is wrong, fine if it works for you.
But remember, what works for you may not work for me.

[Thespian]

Thespian You recount the Jim Jones incident and say that is why you stopped going to church. Kinda sad especially since you were at a Christian radio station too. Question where in the New Testament does God justify what happened? Are you Baptized with the Holy Spirit? Do you have discernment to hear and what God would want in a situation? Do you have the will to do what He wants? The church is supposed to be a place where people flow in the gifts of the Spirit and train others to do the same. Its not supposed to be a feel good on Sunday meeting. Jesus said I have to be about the work of my Father. Maybe you dropped the ball? This is true Christianity not the organized religion that you see so much of, but if you see it what have you done to change it? What personal things have you done to remove the teachings that have no power or are to put Christ on the back burner as a distant and uninterested God? I ask these questions of you but I also ask and answer these questions to myself sometimes everyday. For if you have the Love of God and Jesus in your heart there is no way you can sit still. Kind of like Jesus when He went into the Temple and overturned all the tables. Or maybe it all was religion to you and you dont really know the Lord or have the understanding of how and when He talks to you or has saved you from some bad situations.WHO IS HE TO YOU?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsOXtmhVQ_s&feature=related

 
 My point was that organised religion is the evil. Not anyone's faith in God. Not sure how you took away what you did from my statement.

 When leaders of the organisation called Christianity tell there congregation what to think, who to vote for, or what God want's them to do, it is the ultimate human arrogance.   

[3fan4life]

My point was that organised religion is the evil. Not anyone's faith in God. Not sure how you took away what you did from my statement.

When leaders of the organisation called Christianity tell there congregation what to think, who to vote for, or what God want's them to do, it is the ultimate human arrogance. 

Your points aren't without merit................. However, the saying..............

"Don't throw the baby out with the bath water"....... comes to mind.

[Thespian]

My point was that organised religion is the evil. Not anyone's faith in God. Not sure how you took away what you did from my statement.

When leaders of the organisation called Christianity tell there congregation what to think, who to vote for, or what God want's them to do, it is the ultimate human arrogance. 

Your points aren't without merit................. However, the saying..............

"Don't throw the baby out with the bath water"....... comes to mind.

  No offence, but we've been using the same bath water for far too long. Christianity needs to change. I believe God intended a more personal relationship with his followers. The Quote "where two or more are gathered in my name" is what I think has been lost. The larger the church, the less Christianity and more a one on one relationship with God is realized.

[3fan4life]

My point was that organised religion is the evil. Not anyone's faith in God. Not sure how you took away what you did from my statement.

When leaders of the organisation called Christianity tell there congregation what to think, who to vote for, or what God want's them to do, it is the ultimate human arrogance. 

Your points aren't without merit................. However, the saying..............

"Don't throw the baby out with the bath water"....... comes to mind.

  No offence, but we've been using the same bath water for far too long. Christianity needs to change. I believe God intended a more personal relationship with his followers. The Quote "where two or more are gathered in my name" is what I think has been lost. The larger the church, the less Christianity and more a one on one relationship with God is realized.

Again your points have some merit.

But your Christian walk is not meant to be a solitary one .................


I know where you are comming from.

I spent much of my life believing in God but refusing to have anything to do with "Church".

Many of my reasons for not attending church were the same as yours.

A few years ago my life changed drastically and I realized that I needed a stronger relationship with God.

However, I knew that a traditional church still wasn't for me.

My wife and I began to attend a non-denominational, non-traditional church and have found a "home" there.

There are alternatives out there that aren't part of the "Problem".

Look around your hometown you might be surprised what's there. 


Even Jesus went to Church

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read. — Luke 4:16

And He is the Son of God

[Robert]

Thespian You are right about the relationship issue with God in fact that is one of the reasons Jesus died on the cross. As the Temple vail was torn in the Holy of Holies it was a signal that the price had been paid for us to go into the very throne room of God and talk to Him. He is our Father and if you have this relationship with Him then that is the guide in your life. This comes through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. If you have this kind of relationship then questions get answered things really do begin to happen and there are definite changes in a persons life and a definite guide. Some just dont want God to close and have never read the Bible never taken the time and persistence to find out who their Father really is. Some are afraid to hear God speak to them thinking its the devil. They are content to be sheep not lead by God but by the man in the pulpit, this is organized religion at its best. But you obviously have the desire to serve and become closer to God but without knowing what God says it is easy to be mislead. Just as SE brought up in the first post. Our example was Jesus a rebel to the Roman government and a heretic to the religious body at the time. To the worlds view seemingly off course going the wrong path. But filled with the Holy Spirit performing miracles giving up His own desires to His allotted life on earth to follow the will of the Father. Called out to whoever would listen and follow. We know that His message cut to the quick some but to those that heard and built on His message it was life. This is what I am talking about, Jesus said there is no one good not even me so how much more do we need to make sure we hear that still small voice and follow. SE and people of the world can get mislead by talk of people following God but if you are a true follower then you will know the truth. John when in prison asked his followers to find this Jesus and see who He is. When they did what was His response the blind see the lame healed the ones in bondage set free, He did not say I am the one but said look at my works then make the call. We are lead as lambs to the slaughter because our reward and home is not here. We are to be wise as serpents but innocent as doves and discern time and tides. So with all this said what man do we look at to model our life after or what man do we look at that doesn't have failings? So when we want to follow Jesus lets get our eyes off man and on the Lord do what He tells us to do and let Him worry about the rest.

[Robert]

"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat." -Theodore Roosevelt

[junior]

ok here is 5 gals of gas................

"well jumped up jesus christ" what a bunch of hipocrits can we say archie bunker? how about hank hill?
 do you guys knock on doors for a living? have a quota of souls saved before you die? and yes i know i should of clicked over this thread if i didnt want to read it. but dam i hope i never turn out like you guys when i get old......you guys need a hobbie or try to get laid. and i know this post is gonna get deleted and i am prob on thin ice and dont even know how thin it is.........

[Bonzo]

ok here is 5 gals of gas................

"well jumped up jesus christ" what a bunch of hipocrits can we say archie bunker? how about hank hill?
 do you guys knock on doors for a living? have a quota of souls saved before you die? and yes i know i should of clicked over this thread if i didnt want to read it. but dam i hope i never turn out like you guys when i get old......you guys need a hobbie or try to get laid. and i know this post is gonna get deleted and i am prob on thin ice and dont even know how thin it is.........

I don't see why it should be deleted. People in this thread have attacked a fellow member personally, Others have stated if you do not believe as they do you will not get into heaven. What did you do? Quote a sitcom and cartoon? There has been a lot of book quoting in this thread. You just voiced an opinion, like everyone else.
Keep Posting!

[3fan4life]

ok here is 5 gals of gas................

"well jumped up jesus christ" what a bunch of hipocrits can we say archie bunker? how about hank hill?
 do you guys knock on doors for a living? have a quota of souls saved before you die? and yes i know i should of clicked over this thread if i didnt want to read it. but dam i hope i never turn out like you guys when i get old......you guys need a hobbie or try to get laid. and i know this post is gonna get deleted and i am prob on thin ice and dont even know how thin it is.........

What is it about you guys in NH ?

Does everything push "Yall's" buttons ? 


You are correct that you did have the option to ignore the thread, but you didn't.


As Christians we share our faith because Jesus tells us to do so:

And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” Mark 16:15-16 (NKJV)

I've never "knocked" on doors and never will.

I don't view my posts here as "Forcing" because the option to read or ignore a post is completely at the discretion of each and every reader.

Jesus doesn't force himself on others, so who am I to do so.  

If Jesus offends you, then you have the option of ignoring him as well.

However, ignoring him will not change the fact that, He loves you.

Salvation is a gift, what you choose to do with it is entirely up to you.



 

[Robert]

Junior  
I was like you when I met my wife, I wasn't saved at the time had the same opinions and ideas. I sat in her car and open the glove compartment one day and out pops all these praise and worship tapes. I said to myself ahhhh nice girl to bad shes a Jesus freak. Well I hear you, and laugh. Its like listening to myself years ago. I can only say I wish I had known then what I know now. It wasn't my wife that got me to change, I was in a bad spot needed some help and the Lord proved Himself a friend and trustworthy. As I send people to other people who I know do good work. I would be remiss if I didn't tell how good the Lord has been to me. 

[junior]

i beleave religion is just like sleeping on a park bench.......... now get a mental image of this. now some "good samariton" decides to save your life by preforming CPR (insert fudgie) should i be offended  or should i thank him for this? i didnt ask or acted like i needed saving

and if your comparing me to that other fruitcake  that lives here? i should be offended

[RainMaker]

All of this and the original post wasn't that original, as it turns out

http://fallenfromgrace.net/tag/god-told-me-to-run/

[Robert]

Junior I understand what your saying I make no comparisons as for what your saying like anything in life you can pick it up or pass it by you make the choice but silence is not a option.

[Bonzo]

Just a point to ponder on the whole religion in politics situation. In no way do I mean to offend anyone.
We elect a President to be President of the people and for the people.
A candidate expresses that his or her G-D told them to run.
The nature, books or believes  of their  religion tells them that if you do not believe as they do, you will not get into heaven or enjoy any sort of after life (as they/you believe) .
Right away you (they) exclude anyone else who does not believe as  them.
In the past when their religion had more power the/them forcible converted tortured or killed those who did mot believe as them
Even today it goes on. In the Sudan, Christians are being persecuted for their faith, the same in Nigeria. Shi'ite kill Sunni, Hindus vs Muslim.  More politically, Israeli vs Palestinian  or what happened in the Balkans.
Keep religion out of politics. Our Founding Fathers were profoundly correct in a complete separation of church and state .

[junior]

[The Anvil]

and if your comparing me to that other fruitcake  that lives here? i should be offended

You should be so lucky.

[3fan4life]

Just a point to ponder on the whole religion in politics situation. In no way do I mean to offend anyone.
We elect a President to be President of the people and for the people.
A candidate expresses that his or her G-D told them to run.
The nature, books or believes  of their  religion tells them that if you do not believe as they do, you will not get into heaven or enjoy any sort of after life (as they/you believe) .
Right away you (they) exclude anyone else who does not believe as  them.
In the past when their religion had more power the/them forcible converted tortured or killed those who did mot believe as them
Even today it goes on. In the Sudan, Christians are being persecuted for their faith, the same in Nigeria. Shi'ite kill Sunni, Hindus vs Muslim.  More politically, Israeli vs Palestinian  or what happened in the Balkans.
Keep religion out of politics. Our Founding Fathers were profoundly correct in a complete separation of church and state .

I've been in Saudi Arabia and Government that is ran by religion is definately a bad thing.

Even though I am a Christian I would not want to see a system of Government that dictates Christianity to all its people.

For starters if God doesn't force anyone to be a Christian then by what authority should a government do so ?


Personally, I would prefer that our elected officials govern their lives and actions by traditional Judeo-Christian values. And I think that alot of the problems that exist with our government would not be there if they did.  

[3fan4life]

Now THERE is something that we can agree upon. 

[Novavalker]

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You should be so lucky.
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Congratulations Anvil! You have exceeded 3000 posts since registering in June 2011. 

[SANDMAN5]

Yes, religion should be kept out of politics....but it never will. Remember when Huckabee
was running? The media promised to keep religion out of it...but every debate I watched
had at least one religious question asked of him. And I'll say it AGAIN....RELIGION and
CHRISTIANITY are two different things. Don't believe me? Look in the Bible and try to find where Jesus says to attend a Baptist church...or Presbyterian...Episcopalian...etc. He doesn't. He only
tells us to have a relationship with the Father through Him. Like 3fan, I grew up in a
denominational church. Some really good teaching there about right and wrong, but they
missed out on so much other teachings. If you're in a church, just pick out some fo their
teachings/doctrines and compare them to the Word. You might be surprised!! If you're looking
for a church, my advice is to start with a non-denominational one. Or watch some of those on
tv (yes, I know about the reputation of televangelists!). The ones I watch are Joseph Prince,
Joyce Meyer, Jesse Duplantis and Bill Winston. Watch a few of them if you are so inclined and hear
what they have to say. I'm not saying you have to believe them...that's entirely up to you.   

[3fan4life]

and if your comparing me to that other fruitcake  that lives here? i should be offended

You should be so lucky.

They always say that it's the "dawg" that gets hit by the rock that yelps the loudest.  

[junior]

and if your comparing me to that other fruitcake  that lives here? i should be offended

You should be so lucky.

and why do you think it should be you? you aint the only other one in this state that belongs to this board

[The Anvil]

and if your comparing me to that other fruitcake  that lives here? i should be offended

You should be so lucky.

and why do you think it should be you? you aint the only other one in this state that belongs to this board

That's what I meant. That Matt guy is one sexy motherf**ker.

[Robert]

Now thats good

I've been in Saudi Arabia and Government that is ran by religion is definately a bad thing.
Even though I am a Christian I would not want to see a system of Government that dictates Christianity to all its people.
For starters if God doesn't force anyone to be a Christian then by what authority should a government do so ?
Personally, I would prefer that our elected officials govern their lives and actions by traditional Judeo-Christian values. And I think that alot of the problems that exist with our government would not be there if they did.
 
 

[junior]

and if your comparing me to that other fruitcake  that lives here? i should be offended

You should be so lucky.

and why do you think it should be you? you aint the only other one in this state that belongs to this board

That's what I meant. That Matt guy is one sexy motherf**ker.

if its the same Matt? he lives in mass

[Romeo]

"The ManKind Project has a set of core values: integrity, respect, generosity, accountability, multicultural awareness, and compassion."

Maybe you need some refresher training.

Explain.  I put up a post to make people think... about how God's name is used by those only for their own personal aggrandizement.  It is a fundamental reason why these people cannot and will not ever win... besides apparently hearing voices, they exhibit the kind of hubris only those chosen by God can exhibit.  And I am in violation of what?

Why do you feel YOU are needed to make "us" think? That's so condescending to the members of the board that I truly don't understand why you're even here.

[Romeo]

Just a point to ponder on the whole religion in politics situation. In no way do I mean to offend anyone.
We elect a President to be President of the people and for the people.
A candidate expresses that his or her G-D told them to run.
The nature, books or believes  of their  religion tells them that if you do not believe as they do, you will not get into heaven or enjoy any sort of after life (as they/you believe) .
Right away you (they) exclude anyone else who does not believe as  them.
In the past when their religion had more power the/them forcible converted tortured or killed those who did mot believe as them
Even today it goes on. In the Sudan, Christians are being persecuted for their faith, the same in Nigeria. Shi'ite kill Sunni, Hindus vs Muslim.  More politically, Israeli vs Palestinian  or what happened in the Balkans.
Keep religion out of politics. Our Founding Fathers were profoundly correct in a complete separation of church and state .

I've been in Saudi Arabia and Government that is ran by religion is definately a bad thing.

Even though I am a Christian I would not want to see a system of Government that dictates Christianity to all its people.

For starters if God doesn't force anyone to be a Christian then by what authority should a government do so ?


Personally, I would prefer that our elected officials govern their lives and actions by traditional Judeo-Christian values. And I think that alot of the problems that exist with our government would not be there if they did.  

[junior]

[The Anvil]

and if your comparing me to that other fruitcake  that lives here? i should be offended

You should be so lucky.

and why do you think it should be you? you aint the only other one in this state that belongs to this board

That's what I meant. That Matt guy is one sexy motherf**ker.

if its the same Matt? he lives in mass

Actually you might be right.

Nevermind then, I was talking about myself. 

[3fan4life]

Actually you might be right.

Nevermind then, I was talking about myself. 

Hold on a minute.............

Anvil actually admits that:

1. He could be wrong.

2. Someone else might be right.

Yep, it has apparently happened.............



      

[3fan4life]

HEY,  quit draggin' RELIGION into this.       

[junior]

HEY,  quit draggin' RELIGION into this.       

 my bad 

[fudgie]

i beleave religion is just like sleeping on a park bench.......... now get a mental image of this. now some "good samariton" decides to save your life by preforming CPR (insert fudgie) should i be offended  or should i thank him for this? i didnt ask or acted like i needed saving

and if your comparing me to that other fruitcake  that lives here? i should be offended

Alright, but no mouth to mouth, no matter how hard you try.

[Farther]

All of this and the original post wasn't that original, as it turns out

http://fallenfromgrace.net/tag/god-told-me-to-run/

Since Strong Eagles post predates the blog you cited, who's do you think is more original?

[DarkMeister]

[quote author=3fan4life

When you can vote for The President of The United States then maybe I'll consider your point of view.

Right now it would seem to me that you are just another foreigner trying to tell us how our country should be ran .

I know quite a few former Canadians that immigrated to the United States because things in Canada especially "Taxes" had gotten to the point that they couldn't take it any longer.

I would suggest that you "fix" your own mess before you tell us how to fix ours.                                                                     

Ah yes; wrap yourself in the flag and start chest-beating. Was going to say that was original, but in your case it is not. chest-thumper - two; furrinner - zero.
Even if I didn't have close family members who are American, I'd still have a horse in this race - simply by virtue of living in a world impacted by US policies. Whether the person in the driver's seat is an informed, educated diplomat or a war-mongerer bought and paid for by special interests - it reveberates on the rest of us. So suck it up with the ticked-off crap. Nobody's telling you how to vote or run the country but others can certainly have an opinion about the state of the affairs.
Damn' furrinners...

[DarkMeister]

"And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” Mark 16:15-16 (NKJV)"

Therein lies one of the key elements that makes a non-believer out of me. The way I read that is, be a kind, caring and loving person, do everything right - but if you don't "believe", off to Hades with you. Wicked...

[SANDMAN5]

"And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” Mark 16:15-16 (NKJV)"

Therein lies one of the key elements that makes a non-believer out of me. The way I read that is, be a kind, caring and loving person, do everything right - but if you don't "believe", off to Hades with you. Wicked...

Doesn't matter if you like it or not, that's the way it is. "The Law condemns even the best of us.
Grace saves even the worst of us." Joseph Prince
"...Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" Acts 10:34

[3fan4life]

Ah yes; wrap yourself in the flag and start chest-beating.

As a Gulf War vet, the brother of 2 Vietnan Vets, the son of a WWII vet and the grandson of a WWI vet, I will "wrap" myself in the flag if I so choose and be PROUD of it. 

Even if I didn't have close family members who are American, I'd still have a horse in this race - simply by virtue of living in a world impacted by US policies.

I can see where you may feel that you have a "Horse" in this race but quite frankly you don't.

You have no more of a say in American politics than I do in Canadian politics.

Whether the person in the driver's seat is an informed, educated diplomat or a war-mongerer bought and paid for by special interests - it reveberates on the rest of us. So suck it up with the ticked-off crap.

Unless that "War Monger" is threatening to invade Canada, you still don't have a say in who we choose, how we choose them or why we chose them.

Maybe I could've used a few less..........  , but if I want to be ticked off, I will be.

Nobody's telling you how to vote or run the country but others can certainly have an opinion about the state of the affairs.

You can have an oppinion about our political system, but without a vote it doesn't count.

Damn' furrinners...

Yep.