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[The Anvil]

TEBOW FANS TONIGHT??? 

[donaldcc]

  
  No esta aqui, ahora.

  Not his fault though.
  Brady and compatriots are too strong.

[The Anvil]

I mean I knew he was a trick-or-treat quarterback (and usually trick), but I really didn't think he was capable of being this horrible.

[BF]

Right about now, I'd imagine down on bended knee.   

[39 Chev]

I'm right here, but I'm more of a fan of the PERSON he is.  Not too bad a football player either.     Don't forget, he's a rookie, plus he does not control what the defense does.  When they got that far behind early, it took them out of their "game".  The Broncos are not the first team that the Patriots have taken apart.  They are a very good team. 

Although Tebow is not the most talented player (and I think he'd be the first one to agree with that statement), he certainly is a leader.  The team rallied around him and played better than almost everyone expected since he took over starting quarterback.  But they certainly don't have the talent of the Patriots at almost every position, including quarterback.  If I was a Broncos fan, I would be very proud of how well they did this season.

[texaninsouthfl]

I'm right here, but I'm more of a fan of the PERSON he is.  Not too bad a football player either.     Don't forget, he's a rookie, plus he does not control what the defense does.  When they got that far behind early, it took them out of their "game".  The Broncos are not the first team that the Patriots have taken apart.  They are a very good team. 

Although Tebow is not the most talented player (and I think he'd be the first one to agree with that statement), he certainly is a leader.  The team rallied around him and played better than almost everyone expected since he took over starting quarterback.  But they certainly don't have the talent of the Patriots at almost every position, including quarterback.  If I was a Broncos fan, I would be very proud of how well they did this season.


Hey Chev... I was just looking at your profile pic... I'm afraid you may need professional help. A garage that clean and neat is a sure sign of serious mental illness! 

[junior]

TEBOW FANS TONIGHT??? 

prob. crying in thier beers..............

[Hoser]

I'm praying for Advil, I mean Anvil.  Hoser 

[Karen]

39 Chevy, you are spot on.

[Robert]

Weather your up and dancing or going through the S### the Lord is still good and still there. Im not a Tebow fan or there to raise one person up because we will all have our days but up or down the one to praise is the Lord. Again the fact that Tebow is there to experience any of this is because of the life that was saved. That is the miracle, sometimes we learn about the Lord when a person is up but sometimes we learn about the man and his relationship with the Lord when hes down. This is how Christianity gets a black eye we exalt one person to a status position. Then they do something wrong and the world comes in and says see we told you so and we are left with what appears to be a bad witness. Jesus said I'm not good and there is no one good except the Father. Those that dont have a relationship with the Lord will only understand miracles, those that do will understand the daily strength, help, peace and joy that comes from knowing who's we really are.

[FloridaValkRyder]

TEBOW FANS TONIGHT??? 

Why do you need to be like that Anvil? Trying to inflame the Tebow fans? Trying to irritate those of us who are true believers that God can make a difference? There is absolutely nothing negative about Tim Tebow. He helped his team reach beyond their expectations, maybe inspired a few kids to try a little harder, help some folks to accept Christ as their savior. I defend you on here pretty often. I think you are entitled to your opinion and not nearly as liberal as you pretend to be. But why be inflammatory for no reason? Think before you push the "post" button.  and 

[ibsrp]

We are all happy that there is a person out there in the public eye which shows the rest of the world what made this country the greatest on earth. 

[FPG52]

Fans of Tebow should remain fans of Tebow; funny thing about NFL - you better have 22 good people on the field or your in trouble.  We saw who had the best 22 last night...Brady couldn't do it himself either without the blocking and weapons hes has to work with too.   Problem is the media likes to make larger that life characters out of those who often don't ask for it... then looks more tragic when they fail.  TT is a good ball player and I enjoy watching him and i am sure I will for a few years.

NOW... IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT OVER ZEALOUS, CRAZED, "WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS GUY"  PICTURE... I LIVE IN UPSTATE NY.  THEREFOR FOR MANY MANY YEARS HAVE BEEN AND STILL AM A FAN OF THE  BUFFALO BILLS!!!!

[The Anvil]

TEBOW FANS TONIGHT??? 

Why do you need to be like that Anvil? Trying to inflame the Tebow fans? Trying to irritate those of us who are true believers that God can make a difference? There is absolutely nothing negative about Tim Tebow. He helped his team reach beyond their expectations, maybe inspired a few kids to try a little harder, help some folks to accept Christ as their savior. I defend you on here pretty often. I think you are entitled to your opinion and not nearly as liberal as you pretend to be. But why be inflammatory for no reason? Think before you push the "post" button.  and 

Fair enough and let me answer the question at least in part by re-iterating what I've said before; I LIKE Tebow as a person. I think he's the real deal when it comes to the evangelical aspect of his life which is to say that I don't expect him to be caught up in any scandals. Not to say he's perfect by any means, but by all accounts he's an outstanding human being. I also like that he doesn't use his faith to look down on other people like a Swaggart or a Falwell.

But the fact is that he's just a bad NFL quarterback. He may improve over time, but he needs to work on his reads and mechanics. I think he's a couple seasons away from being a real contender in this league, but he has some raw talent (and he runs beautifully) that might see him get there someday.

What I dislike so intensely is not Tebow the man but Tebow the media created myth. All we've heard through the second half of the season (and especially over the past week) was ATATT. Why? Well no one can really explain that. He won a few games in dramatic fashion but he also stunk up the place as dramatically a few times and he backed his team into the playoffs with three straight losses and an 8-8 record. But people bought into all of this "Tebow time" crap. The NFL saw THREE QB's break the 5000 yard mark this year and you barely heard a peep about their accomplishments. Just ATATT. In the week leading up to this game those three QB's (all past Superbowl winners) were virtually forgotten about in favor of ATATT. Tom Brady has put his team in a position (along with two AMAZING tight ends) to go to a fifth Superbowl with an absolutely ATROCIOUS defense on the other side of the field. He pretty much has to score 30+ points every week to give his team a good shot to win. But did we hear about how good and consistent he's been? No, it was ATATT. Aaron Rodgers had one of the best regular seasons an NFL quarterback could ever have but did he hear about that? No, it was ATATT.

Then you have what are supposed to be impartial announcers and commentators (I'm looking at you Nantz and Simms) openly rooting for one team during the broadcast. It was like a Tim Tebow d**k-sucking contest in that booth last night as it was during the Denver/Pittsburgh game last week. You're not calling for the hometown crowd, act like professionals.

Does it make more sense now? My disdain is for the media and the people who swallow the idols they create. Granted that's not Tim Tebow's fault and somewhat unfair to him, but I'm not a Broncos or Florida fan so I don't have to love him in spite of the media. You know, you could draw a lot of parallels between the media's construction of Tebow and the media's construction of Obama. I've heard many of the same people who decried the construction of one buy into the construction of the other (on both sides of that ball). But the difference is that in football the results are immediate and laid bare on the field. In politics? Not always.

I also bristle at the idea that god might directly play a role in the outcome of a football game. I don't think anyone here has said it here but I hear it all the time. If god acts on the field it's only through the strength and confidence he gives a player. But the lord has far more pressing matters and really has no business intervening even if he didn't. Can you imagine how Vegas would react to that? Pandelirium!

And like discussions about race, I'd rather keep religion out of football.

[The Anvil]

As if to illustrate my point, the ESPN.com top story today is the Niners/Saints game, not the complete dismantling of the Tebow myth at the hands of the Patriots. In fact, that story isn't even #2 (even though it's what EVERYONE is talking about).

[alph]

well, i wish that the bronco's would have won.  why, cause i think that if the packers had to play the bronco's they'd have a much easier time winning then to beat the patriots!! 

what got me sick about the whole "te-bo" thing was that the rest of the team didn't matter, it was a one person "team". 

[The Anvil]

what got me sick about the whole "te-bo" thing was that the rest of the team didn't matter, it was a one person "team". 

That's an excellent point as well.

[Fudd]

The rivalry between two South Carolina high schools boiled over after a basketball game, with two fans of the victorious side reportedly beaten up by opposition supporters after Tebowing.
 


The Wando High School pair were attacked after their school had inflicted a 20-point defeat on West Ashley High on Tuesday in Charleston, during which they had copied the Denver Broncos quarterback's iconic prayer pose, The Post and Courier reported Saturday.
 
They were punched and kicked in a parking lot, to the point that one was left vomiting from being hit repeatedly in the stomach.
 
One victim's mother said West Ashley students felt taunted when Wando fans participated in the act of Tebowing — mimicking the pose of Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow when he prays during a game.
 
Lara Isaac, whose 17-year-old son was one of the victims, said the attack was a reprisal for the pair Tebowing.
 
"They were scared for their lives," she said. "No one was manning the exits to make sure this wouldn't happen. The kids who did this apparently knew that."

[FloridaValkRyder]

TEBOW FANS TONIGHT??? 

Why do you need to be like that Anvil? Trying to inflame the Tebow fans? Trying to irritate those of us who are true believers that God can make a difference? There is absolutely nothing negative about Tim Tebow. He helped his team reach beyond their expectations, maybe inspired a few kids to try a little harder, help some folks to accept Christ as their savior. I defend you on here pretty often. I think you are entitled to your opinion and not nearly as liberal as you pretend to be. But why be inflammatory for no reason? Think before you push the "post" button.  and 

Fair enough and let me answer the question at least in part by re-iterating what I've said before; I LIKE Tebow as a person. I think he's the real deal when it comes to the evangelical aspect of his life which is to say that I don't expect him to be caught up in any scandals. Not to say he's perfect by any means, but by all accounts he's an outstanding human being. I also like that he doesn't use his faith to look down on other people like a Swaggart or a Falwell.

But the fact is that he's just a bad NFL quarterback. He may improve over time, but he needs to work on his reads and mechanics. I think he's a couple seasons away from being a real contender in this league, but he has some raw talent (and he runs beautifully) that might see him get there someday.

What I dislike so intensely is not Tebow the man but Tebow the media created myth. All we've heard through the second half of the season (and especially over the past week) was ATATT. Why? Well no one can really explain that. He won a few games in dramatic fashion but he also stunk up the place as dramatically a few times and he backed his team into the playoffs with three straight losses and an 8-8 record. But people bought into all of this "Tebow time" crap. The NFL saw THREE QB's break the 5000 yard mark this year and you barely heard a peep about their accomplishments. Just ATATT. In the week leading up to this game those three QB's (all past Superbowl winners) were virtually forgotten about in favor of ATATT. Tom Brady has put his team in a position (along with two AMAZING tight ends) to go to a fifth Superbowl with an absolutely ATROCIOUS defense on the other side of the field. He pretty much has to score 30+ points every week to give his team a good shot to win. But did we hear about how good and consistent he's been? No, it was ATATT. Aaron Rodgers had one of the best regular seasons an NFL quarterback could ever have but did he hear about that? No, it was ATATT.

Then you have what are supposed to be impartial announcers and commentators (I'm looking at you Nantz and Simms) openly rooting for one team during the broadcast. It was like a Tim Tebow d**k-sucking contest in that booth last night as it was during the Denver/Pittsburgh game last week. You're not calling for the hometown crowd, act like professionals.

Does it make more sense now? My disdain is for the media and the people who swallow the idols they create. Granted that's not Tim Tebow's fault and somewhat unfair to him, but I'm not a Broncos or Florida fan so I don't have to love him in spite of the media. You know, you could draw a lot of parallels between the media's construction of Tebow and the media's construction of Obama. I've heard many of the same people who decried the construction of one buy into the construction of the other (on both sides of that ball). But the difference is that in football the results are immediate and laid bare on the field. In politics? Not always.

I also bristle at the idea that god might directly play a role in the outcome of a football game. I don't think anyone here has said it here but I hear it all the time. If god acts on the field it's only through the strength and confidence he gives a player. But the lord has far more pressing matters and really has no business intervening even if he didn't. Can you imagine how Vegas would react to that? Pandelirium!

And like discussions about race, I'd rather keep religion out of football.

So why didn't you just say that the first time?? I didn't appreciate that the ESPN Sportcenter crew was calling the Broncos "Tim Tebow and the Broncos"

[musclehead]

I mean I knew he was a trick-or-treat quarterback (and usually trick), but I really didn't think he was capable of being this horrible.

oh come on, he's a rookie fully capable of rookie mistakes.

I had the feeling the pats were gonna steam roll them


not a huge surprise, however if you told me last week Rodgers and Brees were gonna sit out the super bowl. well I'd call you crazy    but now, who'd a thunk it ???

[musclehead]

TEBOW FANS TONIGHT???  

Why do you need to be like that Anvil? Trying to inflame the Tebow fans? Trying to irritate those of us who are true believers that God can make a difference? There is absolutely nothing negative about Tim Tebow. He helped his team reach beyond their expectations, maybe inspired a few kids to try a little harder, help some folks to accept Christ as their savior. I defend you on here pretty often. I think you are entitled to your opinion and not nearly as liberal as you pretend to be. But why be inflammatory for no reason? Think before you push the "post" button.   and  

Fair enough and let me answer the question at least in part by re-iterating what I've said before; I LIKE Tebow as a person. I think he's the real deal when it comes to the evangelical aspect of his life which is to say that I don't expect him to be caught up in any scandals. Not to say he's perfect by any means, but by all accounts he's an outstanding human being. I also like that he doesn't use his faith to look down on other people like a Swaggart or a Falwell.

But the fact is that he's just a bad NFL quarterback. He may improve over time, but he needs to work on his reads and mechanics. I think he's a couple seasons away from being a real contender in this league, but he has some raw talent (and he runs beautifully) that might see him get there someday.

What I dislike so intensely is not Tebow the man but Tebow the media created myth. All we've heard through the second half of the season (and especially over the past week) was ATATT. Why? Well no one can really explain that. He won a few games in dramatic fashion but he also stunk up the place as dramatically a few times and he backed his team into the playoffs with three straight losses and an 8-8 record. But people bought into all of this "Tebow time" crap. The NFL saw THREE QB's break the 5000 yard mark this year and you barely heard a peep about their accomplishments. Just ATATT. In the week leading up to this game those three QB's (all past Superbowl winners) were virtually forgotten about in favor of ATATT. Tom Brady has put his team in a position (along with two AMAZING tight ends) to go to a fifth Superbowl with an absolutely ATROCIOUS defense on the other side of the field. He pretty much has to score 30+ points every week to give his team a good shot to win. But did we hear about how good and consistent he's been? No, it was ATATT. Aaron Rodgers had one of the best regular seasons an NFL quarterback could ever have but did he hear about that? No, it was ATATT.

Then you have what are supposed to be impartial announcers and commentators (I'm looking at you Nantz and Simms) openly rooting for one team during the broadcast. It was like a Tim Tebow d**k-sucking contest in that booth last night as it was during the Denver/Pittsburgh game last week. You're not calling for the hometown crowd, act like professionals.

Does it make more sense now? My disdain is for the media and the people who swallow the idols they create. Granted that's not Tim Tebow's fault and somewhat unfair to him, but I'm not a Broncos or Florida fan so I don't have to love him in spite of the media. You know, you could draw a lot of parallels between the media's construction of Tebow and the media's construction of Obama. I've heard many of the same people who decried the construction of one buy into the construction of the other (on both sides of that ball). But the difference is that in football the results are immediate and laid bare on the field. In politics? Not always.

I also bristle at the idea that god might directly play a role in the outcome of a football game. I don't think anyone here has said it here but I hear it all the time. If god acts on the field it's only through the strength and confidence he gives a player. But the lord has far more pressing matters and really has no business intervening even if he didn't. Can you imagine how Vegas would react to that? Pandelirium!

And like discussions about race, I'd rather keep religion out of football.

completely over shadowed  by Tebow was big news like the dang near perfect season green bay had, and even more impressive was that they were defending super bowl champs. when any team wins the SB they have a over sized target on their back.


I think Tebow is a good kid, but I don't think he believes his own press or what anyone else is going to say about him.

what he's really got to watch out for is he runs ALOT (and is spectacular doing so) he got to watch out for the wear and tear on his body. he'll tear himself up and be done before he really flourishes.

[The Anvil]

TEBOW FANS TONIGHT??? 

Why do you need to be like that Anvil? Trying to inflame the Tebow fans? Trying to irritate those of us who are true believers that God can make a difference? There is absolutely nothing negative about Tim Tebow. He helped his team reach beyond their expectations, maybe inspired a few kids to try a little harder, help some folks to accept Christ as their savior. I defend you on here pretty often. I think you are entitled to your opinion and not nearly as liberal as you pretend to be. But why be inflammatory for no reason? Think before you push the "post" button.  and 

Fair enough and let me answer the question at least in part by re-iterating what I've said before; I LIKE Tebow as a person. I think he's the real deal when it comes to the evangelical aspect of his life which is to say that I don't expect him to be caught up in any scandals. Not to say he's perfect by any means, but by all accounts he's an outstanding human being. I also like that he doesn't use his faith to look down on other people like a Swaggart or a Falwell.

But the fact is that he's just a bad NFL quarterback. He may improve over time, but he needs to work on his reads and mechanics. I think he's a couple seasons away from being a real contender in this league, but he has some raw talent (and he runs beautifully) that might see him get there someday.

What I dislike so intensely is not Tebow the man but Tebow the media created myth. All we've heard through the second half of the season (and especially over the past week) was ATATT. Why? Well no one can really explain that. He won a few games in dramatic fashion but he also stunk up the place as dramatically a few times and he backed his team into the playoffs with three straight losses and an 8-8 record. But people bought into all of this "Tebow time" crap. The NFL saw THREE QB's break the 5000 yard mark this year and you barely heard a peep about their accomplishments. Just ATATT. In the week leading up to this game those three QB's (all past Superbowl winners) were virtually forgotten about in favor of ATATT. Tom Brady has put his team in a position (along with two AMAZING tight ends) to go to a fifth Superbowl with an absolutely ATROCIOUS defense on the other side of the field. He pretty much has to score 30+ points every week to give his team a good shot to win. But did we hear about how good and consistent he's been? No, it was ATATT. Aaron Rodgers had one of the best regular seasons an NFL quarterback could ever have but did he hear about that? No, it was ATATT.

Then you have what are supposed to be impartial announcers and commentators (I'm looking at you Nantz and Simms) openly rooting for one team during the broadcast. It was like a Tim Tebow d**k-sucking contest in that booth last night as it was during the Denver/Pittsburgh game last week. You're not calling for the hometown crowd, act like professionals.

Does it make more sense now? My disdain is for the media and the people who swallow the idols they create. Granted that's not Tim Tebow's fault and somewhat unfair to him, but I'm not a Broncos or Florida fan so I don't have to love him in spite of the media. You know, you could draw a lot of parallels between the media's construction of Tebow and the media's construction of Obama. I've heard many of the same people who decried the construction of one buy into the construction of the other (on both sides of that ball). But the difference is that in football the results are immediate and laid bare on the field. In politics? Not always.

I also bristle at the idea that god might directly play a role in the outcome of a football game. I don't think anyone here has said it here but I hear it all the time. If god acts on the field it's only through the strength and confidence he gives a player. But the lord has far more pressing matters and really has no business intervening even if he didn't. Can you imagine how Vegas would react to that? Pandelirium!

And like discussions about race, I'd rather keep religion out of football.

So why didn't you just say that the first time?? I didn't appreciate that the ESPN Sportcenter crew was calling the Broncos "Tim Tebow and the Broncos"

Well if you've been following what I've been saying all along you'd see that I have more or less said that. But since you may not have seen previous posts I decided to clarify (which is actually easier than searching out other posts).

MH, It's going to be a very interesting next few weeks because there's this fight between the old guard "defense wins championships" (Giants school) NFL and the new guard offense heavy "pinball" NFL of which the Patriots are now the last team standing. San Fran and New York are both defensive teams that have competent offenses and I think that's going to be a low-scoring dogfight. Baltimore has a terrific defense but a suspect offense (Flacco has regressed). The Patriots offense is a WAGON but the defense (don't be fooled by what you saw against Denver) has been absolutely awful for the entire year, especially the secondary.

The Superbowl? Who knows. I expect the Patriots to beat the Ravens but both the Niners and Giants scare me. My hope rests with Brady and his tight ends (along with Welker underneath) making the difference and the fact that both the Giants and Niners offenses can be shut down. But I'm not terribly confident as a Pats fan.

This might surprise people but I actually feel sympathy for Tim Tebow the man. I think it was terribly unfair to him that the media and the American public thrust this mantle. Tebow, being the standup guy that he is, took it and didn't look back. But I do stand and gloat over the body of his myth.

[WamegoRob]

As if to illustrate my point, the ESPN.com top story today is the Niners/Saints game, not the complete dismantling of the Tebow myth at the hands of the Patriots. In fact, that story isn't even #2 (even though it's what EVERYONE is talking about).

A rookie behind a decent team got beat by a super talented 11-year veteran with an awesome team.. where's the news in that?

Also, I doubt he asked for all the sports reporters to give him the sort of attention he's getting.
So, as the saying goes... don't hate the player, hate the game.

[fon1961]

... But I do stand and gloat over the body of his myth.

anvil,

just curious what's "the body of his myth"?  sounds kind of weird.

you recognize he's a good kid and give him credit for that. 

everyone knows that his numbers have been poor as far as qb ratings go; nothing new revealed in the ne game.

everyone knows that  his team experienced success and wins that they weren't expected to experience with him playing qb.

i've never heard him (or anyone else for that matter) say that the teams success was due to him alone.

i've listened to just as many "subject matter experts" bash him (if not more) than praise him.

[Chattanooga Mark]

39 Chev,

     You are spot on!

Mark

[MacDragon]

The Pats did just bury them...as I thought they would.  But what I thought was great was the interview with Brady afterwards... He spoke eloquently and did not say one dirogatory remark about the Broncos.  Very diplomatic.  In fact, he praised Tebow for being a good, up and coming QB that has plenty of potential.  At least that's the way I interpreted it.

[The Anvil]

So, as the saying goes... don't hate the player, hate the game.

I thought I kind of made it clear that I don't hate him. Please read my posts. And it's absolutely news that the Patriots not only beat the Broncos but DISMANTLED them in the most embarrassing fashion. All you heard about leading UP TO the game was Tebow so now is the time of reckoning. "Tebow Time" wound up being confusion, disarray and 14 plays for negative yardage against one of the worst defenses in the NFL.

Well you can't have it both ways. You can't shove him down people's throats for months on end, carefully crafting a paper tiger and then act surprised or indignant when the people who saw through it say "I told you so". Just take your medicine.



The "body of his myth" is just that. Tim Tebow the man lives on and will play another day. But anyone still riding "Tebow Time" is a necrophiliac.

[alph]

TEBOW FANS TONIGHT??? 

Why do you need to be like that Anvil? Trying to inflame the Tebow fans? Trying to irritate those of us who are true believers that God can make a difference? There is absolutely nothing negative about Tim Tebow. He helped his team reach beyond their expectations, maybe inspired a few kids to try a little harder, help some folks to accept Christ as their savior. I defend you on here pretty often. I think you are entitled to your opinion and not nearly as liberal as you pretend to be. But why be inflammatory for no reason? Think before you push the "post" button.  and 

Fair enough and let me answer the question at least in part by re-iterating what I've said before; I LIKE Tebow as a person. I think he's the real deal when it comes to the evangelical aspect of his life which is to say that I don't expect him to be caught up in any scandals. Not to say he's perfect by any means, but by all accounts he's an outstanding human being. I also like that he doesn't use his faith to look down on other people like a Swaggart or a Falwell.

But the fact is that he's just a bad NFL quarterback. He may improve over time, but he needs to work on his reads and mechanics. I think he's a couple seasons away from being a real contender in this league, but he has some raw talent (and he runs beautifully) that might see him get there someday.

What I dislike so intensely is not Tebow the man but Tebow the media created myth. All we've heard through the second half of the season (and especially over the past week) was ATATT. Why? Well no one can really explain that. He won a few games in dramatic fashion but he also stunk up the place as dramatically a few times and he backed his team into the playoffs with three straight losses and an 8-8 record. But people bought into all of this "Tebow time" crap. The NFL saw THREE QB's break the 5000 yard mark this year and you barely heard a peep about their accomplishments. Just ATATT. In the week leading up to this game those three QB's (all past Superbowl winners) were virtually forgotten about in favor of ATATT. Tom Brady has put his team in a position (along with two AMAZING tight ends) to go to a fifth Superbowl with an absolutely ATROCIOUS defense on the other side of the field. He pretty much has to score 30+ points every week to give his team a good shot to win. But did we hear about how good and consistent he's been? No, it was ATATT. Aaron Rodgers had one of the best regular seasons an NFL quarterback could ever have but did he hear about that? No, it was ATATT.

Then you have what are supposed to be impartial announcers and commentators (I'm looking at you Nantz and Simms) openly rooting for one team during the broadcast. It was like a Tim Tebow d**k-sucking contest in that booth last night as it was during the Denver/Pittsburgh game last week. You're not calling for the hometown crowd, act like professionals.

Does it make more sense now? My disdain is for the media and the people who swallow the idols they create. Granted that's not Tim Tebow's fault and somewhat unfair to him, but I'm not a Broncos or Florida fan so I don't have to love him in spite of the media. You know, you could draw a lot of parallels between the media's construction of Tebow and the media's construction of Obama. I've heard many of the same people who decried the construction of one buy into the construction of the other (on both sides of that ball). But the difference is that in football the results are immediate and laid bare on the field. In politics? Not always.

I also bristle at the idea that god might directly play a role in the outcome of a football game. I don't think anyone here has said it here but I hear it all the time. If god acts on the field it's only through the strength and confidence he gives a player. But the lord has far more pressing matters and really has no business intervening even if he didn't. Can you imagine how Vegas would react to that? Pandelirium!

And like discussions about race, I'd rather keep religion out of football.

So why didn't you just say that the first time?? I didn't appreciate that the ESPN Sportcenter crew was calling the Broncos "Tim Tebow and the Broncos"

Well if you've been following what I've been saying all along you'd see that I have more or less said that. But since you may not have seen previous posts I decided to clarify (which is actually easier than searching out other posts).

MH, It's going to be a very interesting next few weeks because there's this fight between the old guard "defense wins championships" (Giants school) NFL and the new guard offense heavy "pinball" NFL of which the Patriots are now the last team standing. San Fran and New York are both defensive teams that have competent offenses and I think that's going to be a low-scoring dogfight. Baltimore has a terrific defense but a suspect offense (Flacco has regressed). The Patriots offense is a WAGON but the defense (don't be fooled by what you saw against Denver) has been absolutely awful for the entire year, especially the secondary.

The Superbowl? Who knows. I expect the Patriots to beat the Ravens but both the Niners and Giants scare me. My hope rests with Brady and his tight ends (along with Welker underneath) making the difference and the fact that both the Giants and Niners offenses can be shut down. But I'm not terribly confident as a Pats fan.

This might surprise people but I actually feel sympathy for Tim Tebow the man. I think it was terribly unfair to him that the media and the American public thrust this mantle. Tebow, being the standup guy that he is, took it and didn't look back. But I do stand and gloat over the body of his myth.

i didn't want to add anything, just wanted to click on the "quote" button so that it would seem like a supper long quote that i would coment on.....     yeah, i'm just a jerk that way......

[musclehead]

TEBOW FANS TONIGHT??? 

Why do you need to be like that Anvil? Trying to inflame the Tebow fans? Trying to irritate those of us who are true believers that God can make a difference? There is absolutely nothing negative about Tim Tebow. He helped his team reach beyond their expectations, maybe inspired a few kids to try a little harder, help some folks to accept Christ as their savior. I defend you on here pretty often. I think you are entitled to your opinion and not nearly as liberal as you pretend to be. But why be inflammatory for no reason? Think before you push the "post" button.  and 

Fair enough and let me answer the question at least in part by re-iterating what I've said before; I LIKE Tebow as a person. I think he's the real deal when it comes to the evangelical aspect of his life which is to say that I don't expect him to be caught up in any scandals. Not to say he's perfect by any means, but by all accounts he's an outstanding human being. I also like that he doesn't use his faith to look down on other people like a Swaggart or a Falwell.

But the fact is that he's just a bad NFL quarterback. He may improve over time, but he needs to work on his reads and mechanics. I think he's a couple seasons away from being a real contender in this league, but he has some raw talent (and he runs beautifully) that might see him get there someday.

What I dislike so intensely is not Tebow the man but Tebow the media created myth. All we've heard through the second half of the season (and especially over the past week) was ATATT. Why? Well no one can really explain that. He won a few games in dramatic fashion but he also stunk up the place as dramatically a few times and he backed his team into the playoffs with three straight losses and an 8-8 record. But people bought into all of this "Tebow time" crap. The NFL saw THREE QB's break the 5000 yard mark this year and you barely heard a peep about their accomplishments. Just ATATT. In the week leading up to this game those three QB's (all past Superbowl winners) were virtually forgotten about in favor of ATATT. Tom Brady has put his team in a position (along with two AMAZING tight ends) to go to a fifth Superbowl with an absolutely ATROCIOUS defense on the other side of the field. He pretty much has to score 30+ points every week to give his team a good shot to win. But did we hear about how good and consistent he's been? No, it was ATATT. Aaron Rodgers had one of the best regular seasons an NFL quarterback could ever have but did he hear about that? No, it was ATATT.

Then you have what are supposed to be impartial announcers and commentators (I'm looking at you Nantz and Simms) openly rooting for one team during the broadcast. It was like a Tim Tebow d**k-sucking contest in that booth last night as it was during the Denver/Pittsburgh game last week. You're not calling for the hometown crowd, act like professionals.

Does it make more sense now? My disdain is for the media and the people who swallow the idols they create. Granted that's not Tim Tebow's fault and somewhat unfair to him, but I'm not a Broncos or Florida fan so I don't have to love him in spite of the media. You know, you could draw a lot of parallels between the media's construction of Tebow and the media's construction of Obama. I've heard many of the same people who decried the construction of one buy into the construction of the other (on both sides of that ball). But the difference is that in football the results are immediate and laid bare on the field. In politics? Not always.

I also bristle at the idea that god might directly play a role in the outcome of a football game. I don't think anyone here has said it here but I hear it all the time. If god acts on the field it's only through the strength and confidence he gives a player. But the lord has far more pressing matters and really has no business intervening even if he didn't. Can you imagine how Vegas would react to that? Pandelirium!

And like discussions about race, I'd rather keep religion out of football.

So why didn't you just say that the first time?? I didn't appreciate that the ESPN Sportcenter crew was calling the Broncos "Tim Tebow and the Broncos"

Well if you've been following what I've been saying all along you'd see that I have more or less said that. But since you may not have seen previous posts I decided to clarify (which is actually easier than searching out other posts).

MH, It's going to be a very interesting next few weeks because there's this fight between the old guard "defense wins championships" (Giants school) NFL and the new guard offense heavy "pinball" NFL of which the Patriots are now the last team standing. San Fran and New York are both defensive teams that have competent offenses and I think that's going to be a low-scoring dogfight. Baltimore has a terrific defense but a suspect offense (Flacco has regressed). The Patriots offense is a WAGON but the defense (don't be fooled by what you saw against Denver) has been absolutely awful for the entire year, especially the secondary.

The Superbowl? Who knows. I expect the Patriots to beat the Ravens but both the Niners and Giants scare me. My hope rests with Brady and his tight ends (along with Welker underneath) making the difference and the fact that both the Giants and Niners offenses can be shut down. But I'm not terribly confident as a Pats fan.

This might surprise people but I actually feel sympathy for Tim Tebow the man. I think it was terribly unfair to him that the media and the American public thrust this mantle. Tebow, being the standup guy that he is, took it and didn't look back. But I do stand and gloat over the body of his myth.

i didn't want to add anything, just wanted to click on the "quote" button so that it would seem like a supper long quote that i would coment on.....     yeah, i'm just a jerk that way......

oh yeah? well two (or more) can play this game!    your turn.....

[alph]

well,  you can do this, then;

TEBOW FANS TONIGHT???  

Why do you need to be like that Anvil? Trying to inflame the Tebow fans? Trying to irritate those of us who are true believers that God can make a difference? There is absolutely nothing negative about Tim Tebow. He helped his team reach beyond their expectations, maybe inspired a few kids to try a little harder, help some folks to accept Christ as their savior. I defend you on here pretty often. I think you are entitled to your opinion and not nearly as liberal as you pretend to be. But why be inflammatory for no reason? Think before you push the "post" button.   and  

Fair enough and let me answer the question at least in part by re-iterating what I've said before; I LIKE Tebow as a person. I think he's the real deal when it comes to the evangelical aspect of his life which is to say that I don't expect him to be caught up in any scandals. Not to say he's perfect by any means, but by all accounts he's an outstanding human being. I also like that he doesn't use his faith to look down on other people like a Swaggart or a Falwell.

But the fact is that he's just a bad NFL quarterback. He may improve over time, but he needs to work on his reads and mechanics. I think he's a couple seasons away from being a real contender in this league, but he has some raw talent (and he runs beautifully) that might see him get there someday.

What I dislike so intensely is not Tebow the man but Tebow the media created myth. All we've heard through the second half of the season (and especially over the past week) was ATATT. Why? Well no one can really explain that. He won a few games in dramatic fashion but he also stunk up the place as dramatically a few times and he backed his team into the playoffs with three straight losses and an 8-8 record. But people bought into all of this "Tebow time" crap. The NFL saw THREE QB's break the 5000 yard mark this year and you barely heard a peep about their accomplishments. Just ATATT. In the week leading up to this game those three QB's (all past Superbowl winners) were virtually forgotten about in favor of ATATT. Tom Brady has put his team in a position (along with two AMAZING tight ends) to go to a fifth Superbowl with an absolutely ATROCIOUS defense on the other side of the field. He pretty much has to score 30+ points every week to give his team a good shot to win. But did we hear about how good and consistent he's been? No, it was ATATT. Aaron Rodgers had one of the best regular seasons an NFL quarterback could ever have but did he hear about that? No, it was ATATT.

Then you have what are supposed to be impartial announcers and commentators (I'm looking at you Nantz and Simms) openly rooting for one team during the broadcast. It was like a Tim Tebow d**k-sucking contest in that booth last night as it was during the Denver/Pittsburgh game last week. You're not calling for the hometown crowd, act like professionals.

Does it make more sense now? My disdain is for the media and the people who swallow the idols they create. Granted that's not Tim Tebow's fault and somewhat unfair to him, but I'm not a Broncos or Florida fan so I don't have to love him in spite of the media. You know, you could draw a lot of parallels between the media's construction of Tebow and the media's construction of Obama. I've heard many of the same people who decried the construction of one buy into the construction of the other (on both sides of that ball). But the difference is that in football the results are immediate and laid bare on the field. In politics? Not always.

I also bristle at the idea that god might directly play a role in the outcome of a football game. I don't think anyone here has said it here but I hear it all the time. If god acts on the field it's only through the strength and confidence he gives a player. But the lord has far more pressing matters and really has no business intervening even if he didn't. Can you imagine how Vegas would react to that? Pandelirium!

And like discussions about race, I'd rather keep religion out of football.

So why didn't you just say that the first time?? I didn't appreciate that the ESPN Sportcenter crew was calling the Broncos "Tim Tebow and the Broncos"

Well if you've been following what I've been saying all along you'd see that I have more or less said that. But since you may not have seen previous posts I decided to clarify (which is actually easier than searching out other posts).

MH, It's going to be a very interesting next few weeks because there's this fight between the old guard "defense wins championships" (Giants school) NFL and the new guard offense heavy "pinball" NFL of which the Patriots are now the last team standing. San Fran and New York are both defensive teams that have competent offenses and I think that's going to be a low-scoring dogfight. Baltimore has a terrific defense but a suspect offense (Flacco has regressed). The Patriots offense is a WAGON but the defense (don't be fooled by what you saw against Denver) has been absolutely awful for the entire year, especially the secondary.

The Superbowl? Who knows. I expect the Patriots to beat the Ravens but both the Niners and Giants scare me. My hope rests with Brady and his tight ends (along with Welker underneath) making the difference and the fact that both the Giants and Niners offenses can be shut down. But I'm not terribly confident as a Pats fan.

This might surprise people but I actually feel sympathy for Tim Tebow the man. I think it was terribly unfair to him that the media and the American public thrust this mantle. Tebow, being the standup guy that he is, took it and didn't look back. But I do stand and gloat over the body of his myth.

add that......

TEBOW FANS TONIGHT???  

Why do you need to be like that Anvil? Trying to inflame the Tebow fans? Trying to irritate those of us who are true believers that God can make a difference? There is absolutely nothing negative about Tim Tebow. He helped his team reach beyond their expectations, maybe inspired a few kids to try a little harder, help some folks to accept Christ as their savior. I defend you on here pretty often. I think you are entitled to your opinion and not nearly as liberal as you pretend to be. But why be inflammatory for no reason? Think before you push the "post" button.   and  

Fair enough and let me answer the question at least in part by re-iterating what I've said before; I LIKE Tebow as a person. I think he's the real deal when it comes to the evangelical aspect of his life which is to say that I don't expect him to be caught up in any scandals. Not to say he's perfect by any means, but by all accounts he's an outstanding human being. I also like that he doesn't use his faith to look down on other people like a Swaggart or a Falwell.

But the fact is that he's just a bad NFL quarterback. He may improve over time, but he needs to work on his reads and mechanics. I think he's a couple seasons away from being a real contender in this league, but he has some raw talent (and he runs beautifully) that might see him get there someday.

What I dislike so intensely is not Tebow the man but Tebow the media created myth. All we've heard through the second half of the season (and especially over the past week) was ATATT. Why? Well no one can really explain that. He won a few games in dramatic fashion but he also stunk up the place as dramatically a few times and he backed his team into the playoffs with three straight losses and an 8-8 record. But people bought into all of this "Tebow time" crap. The NFL saw THREE QB's break the 5000 yard mark this year and you barely heard a peep about their accomplishments. Just ATATT. In the week leading up to this game those three QB's (all past Superbowl winners) were virtually forgotten about in favor of ATATT. Tom Brady has put his team in a position (along with two AMAZING tight ends) to go to a fifth Superbowl with an absolutely ATROCIOUS defense on the other side of the field. He pretty much has to score 30+ points every week to give his team a good shot to win. But did we hear about how good and consistent he's been? No, it was ATATT. Aaron Rodgers had one of the best regular seasons an NFL quarterback could ever have but did he hear about that? No, it was ATATT.

Then you have what are supposed to be impartial announcers and commentators (I'm looking at you Nantz and Simms) openly rooting for one team during the broadcast. It was like a Tim Tebow d**k-sucking contest in that booth last night as it was during the Denver/Pittsburgh game last week. You're not calling for the hometown crowd, act like professionals.

Does it make more sense now? My disdain is for the media and the people who swallow the idols they create. Granted that's not Tim Tebow's fault and somewhat unfair to him, but I'm not a Broncos or Florida fan so I don't have to love him in spite of the media. You know, you could draw a lot of parallels between the media's construction of Tebow and the media's construction of Obama. I've heard many of the same people who decried the construction of one buy into the construction of the other (on both sides of that ball). But the difference is that in football the results are immediate and laid bare on the field. In politics? Not always.

I also bristle at the idea that god might directly play a role in the outcome of a football game. I don't think anyone here has said it here but I hear it all the time. If god acts on the field it's only through the strength and confidence he gives a player. But the lord has far more pressing matters and really has no business intervening even if he didn't. Can you imagine how Vegas would react to that? Pandelirium!

And like discussions about race, I'd rather keep religion out of football.

So why didn't you just say that the first time?? I didn't appreciate that the ESPN Sportcenter crew was calling the Broncos "Tim Tebow and the Broncos"

Well if you've been following what I've been saying all along you'd see that I have more or less said that. But since you may not have seen previous posts I decided to clarify (which is actually easier than searching out other posts).

MH, It's going to be a very interesting next few weeks because there's this fight between the old guard "defense wins championships" (Giants school) NFL and the new guard offense heavy "pinball" NFL of which the Patriots are now the last team standing. San Fran and New York are both defensive teams that have competent offenses and I think that's going to be a low-scoring dogfight. Baltimore has a terrific defense but a suspect offense (Flacco has regressed). The Patriots offense is a WAGON but the defense (don't be fooled by what you saw against Denver) has been absolutely awful for the entire year, especially the secondary.

The Superbowl? Who knows. I expect the Patriots to beat the Ravens but both the Niners and Giants scare me. My hope rests with Brady and his tight ends (along with Welker underneath) making the difference and the fact that both the Giants and Niners offenses can be shut down. But I'm not terribly confident as a Pats fan.

This might surprise people but I actually feel sympathy for Tim Tebow the man. I think it was terribly unfair to him that the media and the American public thrust this mantle. Tebow, being the standup guy that he is, took it and didn't look back. But I do stand and gloat over the body of his myth.

i didn't want to add anything, just wanted to click on the "quote" button so that it would seem like a supper long quote that i would coment on.....    yeah, i'm just a jerk that way......

oh yeah? well two (or more) can play this game!    your turn.....

to make an anoyingly long quote!!  but, then you might feel obligated to read it all!!    doesn't matter to me though, my weekends are now free since the PACKERS DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY FOOTBALL THIS LAST WEEKEND!!!

[junior]

well,  you can do this, then;

TEBOW FANS TONIGHT???  

Why do you need to be like that Anvil? Trying to inflame the Tebow fans? Trying to irritate those of us who are true believers that God can make a difference? There is absolutely nothing negative about Tim Tebow. He helped his team reach beyond their expectations, maybe inspired a few kids to try a little harder, help some folks to accept Christ as their savior. I defend you on here pretty often. I think you are entitled to your opinion and not nearly as liberal as you pretend to be. But why be inflammatory for no reason? Think before you push the "post" button.   and  

Fair enough and let me answer the question at least in part by re-iterating what I've said before; I LIKE Tebow as a person. I think he's the real deal when it comes to the evangelical aspect of his life which is to say that I don't expect him to be caught up in any scandals. Not to say he's perfect by any means, but by all accounts he's an outstanding human being. I also like that he doesn't use his faith to look down on other people like a Swaggart or a Falwell.

But the fact is that he's just a bad NFL quarterback. He may improve over time, but he needs to work on his reads and mechanics. I think he's a couple seasons away from being a real contender in this league, but he has some raw talent (and he runs beautifully) that might see him get there someday.

What I dislike so intensely is not Tebow the man but Tebow the media created myth. All we've heard through the second half of the season (and especially over the past week) was ATATT. Why? Well no one can really explain that. He won a few games in dramatic fashion but he also stunk up the place as dramatically a few times and he backed his team into the playoffs with three straight losses and an 8-8 record. But people bought into all of this "Tebow time" crap. The NFL saw THREE QB's break the 5000 yard mark this year and you barely heard a peep about their accomplishments. Just ATATT. In the week leading up to this game those three QB's (all past Superbowl winners) were virtually forgotten about in favor of ATATT. Tom Brady has put his team in a position (along with two AMAZING tight ends) to go to a fifth Superbowl with an absolutely ATROCIOUS defense on the other side of the field. He pretty much has to score 30+ points every week to give his team a good shot to win. But did we hear about how good and consistent he's been? No, it was ATATT. Aaron Rodgers had one of the best regular seasons an NFL quarterback could ever have but did he hear about that? No, it was ATATT.

Then you have what are supposed to be impartial announcers and commentators (I'm looking at you Nantz and Simms) openly rooting for one team during the broadcast. It was like a Tim Tebow d**k-sucking contest in that booth last night as it was during the Denver/Pittsburgh game last week. You're not calling for the hometown crowd, act like professionals.

Does it make more sense now? My disdain is for the media and the people who swallow the idols they create. Granted that's not Tim Tebow's fault and somewhat unfair to him, but I'm not a Broncos or Florida fan so I don't have to love him in spite of the media. You know, you could draw a lot of parallels between the media's construction of Tebow and the media's construction of Obama. I've heard many of the same people who decried the construction of one buy into the construction of the other (on both sides of that ball). But the difference is that in football the results are immediate and laid bare on the field. In politics? Not always.

I also bristle at the idea that god might directly play a role in the outcome of a football game. I don't think anyone here has said it here but I hear it all the time. If god acts on the field it's only through the strength and confidence he gives a player. But the lord has far more pressing matters and really has no business intervening even if he didn't. Can you imagine how Vegas would react to that? Pandelirium!

And like discussions about race, I'd rather keep religion out of football.

So why didn't you just say that the first time?? I didn't appreciate that the ESPN Sportcenter crew was calling the Broncos "Tim Tebow and the Broncos"

Well if you've been following what I've been saying all along you'd see that I have more or less said that. But since you may not have seen previous posts I decided to clarify (which is actually easier than searching out other posts).

MH, It's going to be a very interesting next few weeks because there's this fight between the old guard "defense wins championships" (Giants school) NFL and the new guard offense heavy "pinball" NFL of which the Patriots are now the last team standing. San Fran and New York are both defensive teams that have competent offenses and I think that's going to be a low-scoring dogfight. Baltimore has a terrific defense but a suspect offense (Flacco has regressed). The Patriots offense is a WAGON but the defense (don't be fooled by what you saw against Denver) has been absolutely awful for the entire year, especially the secondary.

The Superbowl? Who knows. I expect the Patriots to beat the Ravens but both the Niners and Giants scare me. My hope rests with Brady and his tight ends (along with Welker underneath) making the difference and the fact that both the Giants and Niners offenses can be shut down. But I'm not terribly confident as a Pats fan.

This might surprise people but I actually feel sympathy for Tim Tebow the man. I think it was terribly unfair to him that the media and the American public thrust this mantle. Tebow, being the standup guy that he is, took it and didn't look back. But I do stand and gloat over the body of his myth.

add that......

TEBOW FANS TONIGHT???  

Why do you need to be like that Anvil? Trying to inflame the Tebow fans? Trying to irritate those of us who are true believers that God can make a difference? There is absolutely nothing negative about Tim Tebow. He helped his team reach beyond their expectations, maybe inspired a few kids to try a little harder, help some folks to accept Christ as their savior. I defend you on here pretty often. I think you are entitled to your opinion and not nearly as liberal as you pretend to be. But why be inflammatory for no reason? Think before you push the "post" button.   and  

Fair enough and let me answer the question at least in part by re-iterating what I've said before; I LIKE Tebow as a person. I think he's the real deal when it comes to the evangelical aspect of his life which is to say that I don't expect him to be caught up in any scandals. Not to say he's perfect by any means, but by all accounts he's an outstanding human being. I also like that he doesn't use his faith to look down on other people like a Swaggart or a Falwell.

But the fact is that he's just a bad NFL quarterback. He may improve over time, but he needs to work on his reads and mechanics. I think he's a couple seasons away from being a real contender in this league, but he has some raw talent (and he runs beautifully) that might see him get there someday.

What I dislike so intensely is not Tebow the man but Tebow the media created myth. All we've heard through the second half of the season (and especially over the past week) was ATATT. Why? Well no one can really explain that. He won a few games in dramatic fashion but he also stunk up the place as dramatically a few times and he backed his team into the playoffs with three straight losses and an 8-8 record. But people bought into all of this "Tebow time" crap. The NFL saw THREE QB's break the 5000 yard mark this year and you barely heard a peep about their accomplishments. Just ATATT. In the week leading up to this game those three QB's (all past Superbowl winners) were virtually forgotten about in favor of ATATT. Tom Brady has put his team in a position (along with two AMAZING tight ends) to go to a fifth Superbowl with an absolutely ATROCIOUS defense on the other side of the field. He pretty much has to score 30+ points every week to give his team a good shot to win. But did we hear about how good and consistent he's been? No, it was ATATT. Aaron Rodgers had one of the best regular seasons an NFL quarterback could ever have but did he hear about that? No, it was ATATT.

Then you have what are supposed to be impartial announcers and commentators (I'm looking at you Nantz and Simms) openly rooting for one team during the broadcast. It was like a Tim Tebow d**k-sucking contest in that booth last night as it was during the Denver/Pittsburgh game last week. You're not calling for the hometown crowd, act like professionals.

Does it make more sense now? My disdain is for the media and the people who swallow the idols they create. Granted that's not Tim Tebow's fault and somewhat unfair to him, but I'm not a Broncos or Florida fan so I don't have to love him in spite of the media. You know, you could draw a lot of parallels between the media's construction of Tebow and the media's construction of Obama. I've heard many of the same people who decried the construction of one buy into the construction of the other (on both sides of that ball). But the difference is that in football the results are immediate and laid bare on the field. In politics? Not always.

I also bristle at the idea that god might directly play a role in the outcome of a football game. I don't think anyone here has said it here but I hear it all the time. If god acts on the field it's only through the strength and confidence he gives a player. But the lord has far more pressing matters and really has no business intervening even if he didn't. Can you imagine how Vegas would react to that? Pandelirium!

And like discussions about race, I'd rather keep religion out of football.

So why didn't you just say that the first time?? I didn't appreciate that the ESPN Sportcenter crew was calling the Broncos "Tim Tebow and the Broncos"

Well if you've been following what I've been saying all along you'd see that I have more or less said that. But since you may not have seen previous posts I decided to clarify (which is actually easier than searching out other posts).

MH, It's going to be a very interesting next few weeks because there's this fight between the old guard "defense wins championships" (Giants school) NFL and the new guard offense heavy "pinball" NFL of which the Patriots are now the last team standing. San Fran and New York are both defensive teams that have competent offenses and I think that's going to be a low-scoring dogfight. Baltimore has a terrific defense but a suspect offense (Flacco has regressed). The Patriots offense is a WAGON but the defense (don't be fooled by what you saw against Denver) has been absolutely awful for the entire year, especially the secondary.

The Superbowl? Who knows. I expect the Patriots to beat the Ravens but both the Niners and Giants scare me. My hope rests with Brady and his tight ends (along with Welker underneath) making the difference and the fact that both the Giants and Niners offenses can be shut down. But I'm not terribly confident as a Pats fan.

This might surprise people but I actually feel sympathy for Tim Tebow the man. I think it was terribly unfair to him that the media and the American public thrust this mantle. Tebow, being the standup guy that he is, took it and didn't look back. But I do stand and gloat over the body of his myth.

i didn't want to add anything, just wanted to click on the "quote" button so that it would seem like a supper long quote that i would coment on.....    yeah, i'm just a jerk that way......

oh yeah? well two (or more) can play this game!    your turn.....

to make an anoyingly long quote!!  but, then you might feel obligated to read it all!!    doesn't matter to me though, my weekends are now free since the PACKERS DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY FOOTBALL THIS LAST WEEKEND!!!

can i play too...lol

[bigguy]

Tewbow? isn't that a kind of exercise?