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When a man becomes President of the United States of America, the most powerful country in the world, he deserves the respect of the world because he was chosen by the people of the most powerful country in the world to lead them. I'm sitting up here in Canada and I have the utmost respect for the man who is your President. I know there is a deep sense of national pride in Americans that we in Canada envy. We are constantly trying to establish some kind of National identity, something that defines us as a unique country seperate from the United States. So far we're more like the poor country cousins of the North. In any case He's your President, chosen from among 300 million people, you gotts respect that.
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When a man becomes President of the United States of America, the most powerful country in the world, he deserves the respect of the world because he was chosen by the people of the most powerful country in the world to lead them. I'm sitting up here in Canada and I have the utmost respect for the man who is your President. I know there is a deep sense of national pride in Americans that we in Canada envy. We are constantly trying to establish some kind of National identity, something that defines us as a unique country seperate from the United States. So far we're more like the poor country cousins of the North. In any case He's your President, chosen from among 300 million people, you gotts respect that.
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When a man becomes President of the United States of America, the most powerful country in the world, he deserves the respect of the world because he was chosen by the people of the most powerful country in the world to lead them. I'm sitting up here in Canada and I have the utmost respect for the man who is your President. I know there is a deep sense of national pride in Americans that we in Canada envy. We are constantly trying to establish some kind of National identity, something that defines us as a unique country seperate from the United States. So far we're more like the poor country cousins of the North. In any case He's your President, chosen from among 300 million people, you gotts respect that.
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In or out of the US, it's clear to any rational thinking person who and what our current president is.
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In or out of the US, it's clear to any rational thinking person who and what our current president is.
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Indeed, the best President since Bill Clinton, at least. President Barack Obama's List of Historic Firsts • First President to Preside Over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government. • First President to Violate the War Powers Act. • First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels. • First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. • First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law. • First President to Require All Americans to Purchase a Product From a Third Party (insurance) • First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs -- and Later Admit There Was No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Jobs. • First President to Abrogate Bankruptcy Law to Turn Over Control of Companies to His Union Supporters. • First President to Bypass Congress and Implement the DREAM Act Through Executive Fiat • First President to "Order a Secret Amnesty Program that Stopped the deportations of Illegal Immigrants Across the U.S. , Including Those With Criminal Convictions" • First President to Demand a Company Hand Over $20 Billion to One of HisPolitical Appointees • First President to Terminate America 's Ability to Put a Man into Space. • First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places (at least if you are a Black Panther that is). • First President to Have a Law Signed By an 'Auto-pen' Without Being "Present." • First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It • First President to Threaten Insurance Companies if they Publicly Speak out on the Reasons for their Rate Increases • First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They are Allowed to Locate a Factory • First President to File Lawsuits Against the States He Swore an Oath to Protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN, etc.) • First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago • First President to Fire an Inspector General of Americorps for Catching one of His Friends in a Corruption Case. • First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose their Political Contributions to Bid on Government Contracts. • First President to Golf 73 Separate Times in His First Two-and-a-Half Years in Office. But, remember: he will not rest until all Americans have jobs, affordable homes, green-energy vehicles, and the environment is repaired, etc., etc., etc. What you meant to say is, "Apparently he will not rest until he has completely destroyed the United States of America !" |
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When a man becomes President of the United States of America, the most powerful country in the world, he deserves the respect of the world because he was chosen by the people of the most powerful country in the world to lead them. I'm sitting up here in Canada and I have the utmost respect for the man who is your President. I know there is a deep sense of national pride in Americans that we in Canada envy. We are constantly trying to establish some kind of National identity, something that defines us as a unique country seperate from the United States. So far we're more like the poor country cousins of the North. In any case He's your President, chosen from among 300 million people, you gotts respect that.
i was we really could think that way . but 3 million people at the in dc for his induction only 6 people miss work whats that tell you? i will answer all the homeless ,jobless people did the voting. sorry he is worthless to the usa .. Well, apparently I was wrong about why we shouldnt tell Obama jokes. I thought it was to improve the tone of the conversations on the board. Many people have had their posts censored but many posts stand that prove to me that the quality of the conversation or the fact that some continue to insult others is not the concern. If we are afraid of telling an Obama joke because he will get mad and shut us down, thats insane. Jay Leno would be off the air If we want to stop insulting people that dont deserve insulting then why are all the Christan bashing and personal attacks not taken down. I will not tell Obama jokes because it was asked and I agreed. Plus they arent very funny because most ring too close to a terrible truth. I just wish there was a strict and more evenly applied standard for the use of censorship. It seems arbitrary and motivated by hidden agenda |
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I just wish there was a strict and more evenly applied standard for the use of censorship. It seems arbitrary and motivated by hidden agenda Jeff, please do let us know when you are able to uncover that hidden agenda.
If you simply must be part of a forum that is moderated exactly in the way of which you can approve, it will cost you only about $55 per year to set up a moderately attended message board. The costs will increase somewhat as your bandwidth requirement grows.
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WOW, CA...that's quite a list...too bad for you that it is mostly either factually inaccurate, highly misleading, or plain disingenuous at best. Quad, open your mind, my friend http://www.thesourcedaily.com/world-and-domestic-news/president-obama%e2%80%99s-complete-list-of-historic-impeachable-firsts/with links to each news article detailing the events more news http://www.thesourcedaily.com/category/world-and-domestic-news/ |
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I just wish there was a strict and more evenly applied standard for the use of censorship. It seems arbitrary and motivated by hidden agenda Jeff, please do let us know when you are able to uncover that hidden agenda.
If you simply must be part of a forum that is moderated exactly in the way of which you can approve, it will cost you only about $55 per year to set up a moderately attended message board. The costs will increase somewhat as your bandwidth requirement grows.
I think the magnanimity of our moderation is evidenced by our repeated endurance of your publicly insulting our sense of fairness and periodic whining over the way the message board is administered. As one who has been censored a few times, I have no problem with it. A few times I didn't agree, but Willow I saw your point and what u are/were trying to accomplish. I respect your wisdom on this and will follow your lead. Thank you Willow for all u do!! Semper Fidelis |
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we should call this the "willow-club" instead of the VRCC...... Wow, Alph! That's really harsh.
Apparently you don't realize how much my personal preferences are restrained in my efforts to be fair in representing the VRCC. 
Someone needs to do it, Alph. Every time a decision is applied there is a guarantee that one or more will see it as unwarranted or unfair. Whenever I post I have to be aware that I can't post freely as any other member because my words will always be viewed by some as representing the VRCC.
There's more than once that I've wished I wasn't in this position, but there are plenty of times that I'm glad to be so.
If it's left entirely alone, a few boisterous members will eventually drive a large portion of the crowd away and the conversation will fade away. As the participation dwindles, even the bullies lose interest and there's no one but the band left in the room.
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He don't like me and thats a fact Jack whats not to like? you got that ugly hardly tat on your tit,you badmouth the fat girls and then you change your name to hardly al?.....lol did i get zapped? we should call this the "willow-club" instead of the VRCC...... now i have to defend willow on this............... i know for a fact that i am one of the bigest line walkers here(harsh,rude,just down right inpolite at times) and the man has been more than fair with me |
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Quad, open your mind, my friend "Quad"?? WTF is that supposed to mean? I'm not going to go thru your entire list, but when it has statements like "First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs..." that are demonstrably untrue, it calls into question the integrity of the entire list. The "trillion dollar stimulus" was actually much less than that...around $700B give or take...an amount by the way that many economists believe was inadequate for the size and scope of the economic crisis our country was facing. Furthermore, the largest portion of that stimulus was spent on reduced taxes for individuals and businesses and money for the states to keep thousands of teachers, police, firefighters, etc. on the job. A pretty small portion overall was put towards so-called "shovel ready" projects. Believe me...as a civil engineer in the transportation industry, I'm in the business of these types of projects. The only problem with the term "shovel-ready" is that it was assumed that states had all these projects already designed and sitting on the shelf waiting to be built. And that just isn't the case. There is alot of infrastructure work that needs done. But states are not spending much money on engineering for a project that they don't know they have the funding for. Plus, it takes time to get permits for these types of projects. And those permits tend to expire after so long. So they aren't going thru the permitting process for shelf projects either. So basically, the bunch of lawyers that passed the bill didn't understand the process for how these projects are developed. But to suggest that the stimulus that was passed by both houses of congress and that, contrary to what many on the right want to admit, helped turn the economy around, is an impeachable offense is laughable. |
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You guys are not getting it. JUNIOR,, you can stick yer chest out alll you want but until you get a" modify" and a "remove " sticker in the top right of the post box...up there next to quote.. YOU AINT GOT NOTHIN ON ME ' 'sticker in the top right, next to quote.. YOU AINT GOT NOTHIN ON ME He don't like me and thats a fact Jack whats not to like? you got that ugly hardly tat on your tit,you badmouth the fat girls and then you change your name to hardly al?.....lol did i get zapped? we should call this the "willow-club" instead of the VRCC...... now i have to defend willow on this............... i know for a fact that i am one of the bigest line walkers here(harsh,rude,just down right inpolite at times) and the man has been more than fair with me |
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Quad, open your mind, my friend "Quad"?? WTF is that supposed to mean? I'm not going to go thru your entire list, but when it has statements like "First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs..." that are demonstrably untrue, it calls into question the integrity of the entire list. The "trillion dollar stimulus" was actually much less than that...around $700B give or take...an amount by the way that many economists believe was inadequate for the size and scope of the economic crisis our country was facing. Furthermore, the largest portion of that stimulus was spent on reduced taxes for individuals and businesses and money for the states to keep thousands of teachers, police, firefighters, etc. on the job. A pretty small portion overall was put towards so-called "shovel ready" projects. Believe me...as a civil engineer in the transportation industry, I'm in the business of these types of projects. The only problem with the term "shovel-ready" is that it was assumed that states had all these projects already designed and sitting on the shelf waiting to be built. And that just isn't the case. There is alot of infrastructure work that needs done. But states are not spending much money on engineering for a project that they don't know they have the funding for. Plus, it takes time to get permits for these types of projects. And those permits tend to expire after so long. So they aren't going thru the permitting process for shelf projects either. So basically, the bunch of lawyers that passed the bill didn't understand the process for how these projects are developed. But to suggest that the stimulus that was passed by both houses of congress and that, contrary to what many on the right want to admit, helped turn the economy around, is an impeachable offense is laughable. just a lighten up joke showing no anger on my part to have a political discussion. it is from the arnold mars movie, forget the name, my sometimes weird sense of humor. THE STIMULUS WILL CREATE “SHOVEL-READY JOBS” PROMISE: President-Elect Obama Was Confident That Shovel-Ready Infrastructure Projects Would Lead The Recovery And Create Jobs Immediately. OBAMA: "Now, here's what I'm confident about, that our economic recovery plan, our 21st-century investments will create jobs immediately that would not otherwise be created. We've got shovel-ready projects all across the country that governors and mayors are pleading to fund. And the minute we can get those investments to the state level, jobs are going to be created." (President-Elect Obama, "Remarks in Chicago Announcing Energy and Environment Team," 12/15/08) President-Elect Obama Predicted That He Could Create 2.5 Million Jobs By Investing In Shovel-Ready Infrastructure Projects. OBAMA: "And my economic team, which I'm going to be meeting with today, is helping to shape what is going to be a bold agenda to create 2.5 million new jobs, to start helping states and local governments with shovel-ready projects -- rebuilding our roads, our bridges, making sure that schools like this one are energy efficient, putting people back to work, getting businesses to start seeing some increase in demand, so that we can get, instead of a downward spiral, start getting on an upward spiral." (President Obama, "Remarks in Chicago Announcing the Nomination of Arne Duncan as Secretary of Education," 12/16/08) FACT: |
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THE STIMULUS WILL CREATE “SHOVEL-READY JOBS”
PROMISE: President-Elect Obama Was Confident That Shovel-Ready Infrastructure Projects Would Lead The Recovery And Create Jobs Immediately. OBAMA: "Now, here's what I'm confident about, that our economic recovery plan, our 21st-century investments will create jobs immediately that would not otherwise be created. We've got shovel-ready projects all across the country that governors and mayors are pleading to fund. And the minute we can get those investments to the state level, jobs are going to be created." (President-Elect Obama, "Remarks in Chicago Announcing Energy and Environment Team," 12/15/08)
President-Elect Obama Predicted That He Could Create 2.5 Million Jobs By Investing In Shovel-Ready Infrastructure Projects. OBAMA: "And my economic team, which I'm going to be meeting with today, is helping to shape what is going to be a bold agenda to create 2.5 million new jobs, to start helping states and local governments with shovel-ready projects -- rebuilding our roads, our bridges, making sure that schools like this one are energy efficient, putting people back to work, getting businesses to start seeing some increase in demand, so that we can get, instead of a downward spiral, start getting on an upward spiral." (President Obama, "Remarks in Chicago Announcing the Nomination of Arne Duncan as Secretary of Education," 12/16/08)
FACT: You are right and I didn't dispute that the term "shovel ready" was unfortunate due to their apparent lack of understanding of the entire process. There are thousands of projects that are needed across the country. But alot of development work needs to be done before any shovel hits the dirt. That part was left out. However, I was taking exception to the premise that a trillion dollars was spent on such projects when actually, according to the government's website for ARRA, less than $60B (about 8%) was spent on infrastructure and transportation projects in the entire country. The fact is that more than a third of ARRA spending was in the form of direct tax cuts...but you'lll never hear that from the conservative side that generally tends to support tax cuts as the be-all-end-all to improving the economy while they bash Obama for the so-called "failed stimulus" bill. Furthermore, Obama made his statements before taking office. And once in office, when it came time to actually craft a bill, he was forced to have it lean more heavily on the tax-cut side versus infrastructure spending in the hopes of gaining some republican support...that never happened. That's not to forgive or even defend Obama's promeises. However, let's admit it...nobody saw the level of obstruction that the GOP was willing to resort to in order to make him look bad any way they could. I take no offense and I have no problems with a real good political discussion. In fact, I enjoy it. But I get frustrated when talking points such as the list you posted are put forth as facts. And I just get tired of hearing them and then watching anyone who challenges them be berated and belittled as tends to happen alot on this board. |
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THE STIMULUS WILL CREATE “SHOVEL-READY JOBS”
PROMISE: President-Elect Obama Was Confident That Shovel-Ready Infrastructure Projects Would Lead The Recovery And Create Jobs Immediately. OBAMA: "Now, here's what I'm confident about, that our economic recovery plan, our 21st-century investments will create jobs immediately that would not otherwise be created. We've got shovel-ready projects all across the country that governors and mayors are pleading to fund. And the minute we can get those investments to the state level, jobs are going to be created." (President-Elect Obama, "Remarks in Chicago Announcing Energy and Environment Team," 12/15/08)
President-Elect Obama Predicted That He Could Create 2.5 Million Jobs By Investing In Shovel-Ready Infrastructure Projects. OBAMA: "And my economic team, which I'm going to be meeting with today, is helping to shape what is going to be a bold agenda to create 2.5 million new jobs, to start helping states and local governments with shovel-ready projects -- rebuilding our roads, our bridges, making sure that schools like this one are energy efficient, putting people back to work, getting businesses to start seeing some increase in demand, so that we can get, instead of a downward spiral, start getting on an upward spiral." (President Obama, "Remarks in Chicago Announcing the Nomination of Arne Duncan as Secretary of Education," 12/16/08)
FACT: You are right and I didn't dispute that the term "shovel ready" was unfortunate due to their apparent lack of understanding of the entire process. There are thousands of projects that are needed across the country. But alot of development work needs to be done before any shovel hits the dirt. That part was left out. However, I was taking exception to the premise that a trillion dollars was spent on such projects when actually, according to the government's website for ARRA, less than $60B (about 8%) was spent on infrastructure and transportation projects in the entire country. The fact is that more than a third of ARRA spending was in the form of direct tax cuts...but you'lll never hear that from the conservative side that generally tends to support tax cuts as the be-all-end-all to improving the economy while they bash Obama for the so-called "failed stimulus" bill. Furthermore, Obama made his statements before taking office. And once in office, when it came time to actually craft a bill, he was forced to have it lean more heavily on the tax-cut side versus infrastructure spending in the hopes of gaining some republican support...that never happened. That's not to forgive or even defend Obama's promeises. However, let's admit it...nobody saw the level of obstruction that the GOP was willing to resort to in order to make him look bad any way they could. I take no offense and I have no problems with a real good political discussion. In fact, I enjoy it. But I get frustrated when talking points such as the list you posted are put forth as facts. And I just get tired of hearing them and then watching anyone who challenges them be berated and belittled as tends to happen alot on this board. That is what bothers me. Promises were made that could not possibly be made. I would have a lot less problem with the stimulus if it had gone to infrastructure projects. Instead, most of it was thrown down a rat hole of liberal wants over decades, and was totally wasted. |
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That is what bothers me. Promises were made that could not possibly be made. I would have a lot less problem with the stimulus if it had gone to infrastructure projects. Instead, most of it was thrown down a rat hole of liberal wants over decades, and was totally wasted.
In the quotes from CA, the word "promise" was never spoken by Obama. He never "promised" anything other than he was meeting with his advisors to lay out a plan. If someone lays out a vision of their plan and states that he is confident that his plan would do "X", but then is later forced to change his plan in order to get it passed and implemented, then has he really broken a promise? And if that plan turns out to be less effective because of those changes than he had originally hoped prior to having to change it, it is totally his fault? The breakdown of the ARRA spending is listed on the government website, www.recovery.gov. I'd like to know which of those items are the "rathole of liberal wants" that you mention. And keep in mind that "most" means more than half. |
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I just wish there was a strict and more evenly applied standard for the use of censorship. It seems arbitrary and motivated by hidden agenda Jeff, please do let us know when you are able to uncover that hidden agenda.
If you simply must be part of a forum that is moderated exactly in the way of which you can approve, it will cost you only about $55 per year to set up a moderately attended message board. The costs will increase somewhat as your bandwidth requirement grows.
I think the magnanimity of our moderation is evidenced by our repeated endurance of your publicly insulting our sense of fairness and periodic whining over the way the message board is administered. You are exactly right Willow......and you put an exclaimation point on my point. Obviously you are one that is allowed to rail insults and some others seem to get away with it too........so from now on I will frequent the classifieds from time to time.......but you wont hear any more of what you choose to call whining again....I will reply to private messages but my post count will remain unchanged for quite some time counting this one right here |
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I just wish there was a strict and more evenly applied standard for the use of censorship. It seems arbitrary and motivated by hidden agenda Jeff, please do let us know when you are able to uncover that hidden agenda.
If you simply must be part of a forum that is moderated exactly in the way of which you can approve, it will cost you only about $55 per year to set up a moderately attended message board. The costs will increase somewhat as your bandwidth requirement grows.
I think the magnanimity of our moderation is evidenced by our repeated endurance of your publicly insulting our sense of fairness and periodic whining over the way the message board is administered. You are exactly right Willow......and you put an exclaimation point on my point. Obviously you are one that is allowed to rail insults and some others seem to get away with it too........so from now on I will frequent the classifieds from time to time.......but you wont hear any more of what you choose to call whining again....I will reply to private messages but my post count will remain unchanged for quite some time counting this one right here And... and... I'm gonna take my ball and go home, too... Waahhhh!! |
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« Reply #68 on: January 20, 2012, 02:39:13 PM » |
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Willow:
From where I sit, you look to be pretty even handed and moderate for the good of the board. You've taken a lot of heat lately that I don't think is justified. Just want to be sure you know that some of us think you do a good job and appreciate it.
I host my own small town board. I don't take dues, fees, or advertising. I also don't have many members or much activity. (That wasn't really the point of the board.) But on occasion I still have to make decisions about a post or membership request. I've agonized over those decisions trying to balance fairness and free expression with control of trouble makers just trying to spread descent. No matter how fair you try to be, there are those who will accuse you of having an agenda. As a moderator, you develop a thick skin. But enough barbs are still irritating. Thanks again for putting up with it.
And those who think I'm kissing a specific part of Willow's anatomy are welcome to kiss mine.
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« Reply #69 on: January 20, 2012, 02:44:46 PM » |
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I've long said everyone should work retail one year of their life before they're allowed into a retail store, you can always tell the people who have never done their time behind the counter.
I think I'll add a new one... You should hafta be a moderator and/or administrator on a web forum before you're allowed to post on one...
(I know, technically nearly impossible since you need the experience of being a member to be a good moderator, but still...)
Don't agree with Willow on many calls, including this one, but I've been on his end of the keyboard too (And still am on an aquarium related forum) and it's the most thankless thing you'll do... No decision is the right one in everyone's eyes, so ya' just gotta do what you believe to be the right thing.
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« Reply #70 on: January 20, 2012, 06:17:33 PM » |
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Well, I for one will tell no Obama jokes on this board from now on.... Not because I respect him in any manner, shape or form.... But I do respect Willow and appreciate the thankless job he does as a mod.... So there! Dave +1 Dave. Hardly anything offends me (except a guy trashing my bike in a post office parking lot and Anvils Tebow statement (even then I remained civil). But this board is probably not covered by the "Bill of Rights" , is Willow's to administer (do you want to do it???) and seems to be getting a little mean spirited.. is it just me?  |
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« Reply #71 on: January 20, 2012, 06:38:53 PM » |
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Good call on Willow's part. It's not about 1st Amendment rights. I remember this very sort of thing
dominated this board about 5 yrs ago. No good came out of it. Nobody convinced anybody else to "change sides". It actually got ugly.
We're a pretty diverse, and sometimes dysfunctional family, but as we've seen time and time again, we're quick to step up to the plate and help someone in need. It's amazing how many active members we still have, considering the bike has been out of production for about 9 yrs.
Sometimes a ref, or a moderator, is a good thing...just my .02.
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« Reply #72 on: January 20, 2012, 07:18:14 PM » |
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« Reply #73 on: January 20, 2012, 08:04:13 PM » |
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Offer another refund ,Willow! Give them their membership dues plus interest and I will throw in a coupon for 2,TWO,to or too FREE (100% no strings attached) redeemable at any time, RoadKill's special 1 fingered salutes! I'll fly them the bird or give the one finger wave FREE OF CHARGE !
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« Reply #74 on: January 20, 2012, 08:48:52 PM » |
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well.. first off. I wouldnt want Willows job.. tho i have never met the man I have to say i have mixed feelings on how this board is run these days.. first let me say I have many times seen Willows comments and I have thought to myself.. hmmm..this guy seems pretty dang smart.. or at least he is good with words.. he has pulled several of my posts in the past couple years.. some of them prolly needed to be pulled and for awhile I thought others didnt and I was just being targeted for not conforming to the "new" style of moderating..there are many new faces here compared to 6 or 7 years ago.. i seems that many of the new faces are thin skinned compared to days of old.. in fact many of the thicker skinned folks have left the VRCC or have gone to the local VRCC boards and cut up with long time VRCC friends.. I have spoken with a few old timers male and female that dont come here anymore.. mostly because its not as fun as it used to be.. heck I remember some of the threads getting over 500 hits.. I couldnt wait to get out of bed in the morning to read and respond.. I had a long standing feud going w a guy named Brummer after he dissed the USA about the Irag war.. he is canandian and the board war began between the USA and Brummer and MMS.. my handle back hen was Spud but after kickin Brummers Ass so BAD I changed it to SUPERMAN.. after Willow became moderator and stared reinin folks in and deleting posts I left for awhile and came back incognito as Clark..but in my mind I am still SUPERMAN.. actually I am not sure why I am wriing this except to say.. the board is ok now but it used o be REEEALLY FUN..
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SOOOOO after all that drivel... it would be GREAT if there was a place on the board where the MANY thicker skineed folks could go and have a little fun and the ones who get offended easily could just stay on the more mellow one.. seems like its about 50/50 to me... ROWDY'S vs ???????
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« Reply #76 on: January 20, 2012, 08:54:03 PM » |
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« Reply #77 on: January 20, 2012, 09:08:17 PM » |
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Willow, you have a thankless job trying to get everyone on the forum to play nice. I try to keep most of my opinions to myself. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to meeting ya at the VRCC rally this year. And now back to our regularly scheduled program, already in progress.
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« Reply #78 on: January 20, 2012, 10:20:12 PM » |
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Willow, thanks for what you do, I certainly would not want to do it, running from any responsibility except personal is my strong suit. Some of your observations make me think, others make me laugh with you. I'll shamelessly troll for laughs, but refuse to laugh for trolls. You are more than fair. Actually closer to blonde... It's way late, got to go dream about the election...
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