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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2012, 04:39:31 PM » |
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The Bible has been rewritten and revised many times. You can purchase several versions on Amazon or at Barnes and Noble. Revisions are nothing new. The Book of Mormon and the Bible of the Mennonites are just two examples.
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2012, 05:09:34 PM » |
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But how many times has it been rewritten because it offended another religion?
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The Bible has been rewritten and revised many times. You can purchase several versions on Amazon or at Barnes and Noble. Revisions are nothing new. The Book of Mormon and the Bible of the Mennonites are just two examples.
I was going to say "which of the many versions is being re-written?" but you beat me to it.
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2012, 05:12:54 PM » |
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But how many times has it been rewritten because it offended another religion?
That's always been the reason in the past. Why stop now?
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Here in Dearborn/Dearborn Hts. MI while reciteing the Pledge of Alledgance in the public schools, the words "under God" are now omitted. The School Board does not want to offend the student majority (Arab immigrants).
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Here in Dearborn/Dearborn Hts. MI while reciteing the Pledge of Alledgance in the public schools, the words "under God" are now omitted. The School Board does not want to offend the student majority (Arab immigrants).
That's a matter of perspective. Others might simply say it's been restored to original condition.
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2012, 07:01:59 PM » |
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In America we are supposed to live in a state free from religion. Not as most think that is says, "freedom of religion".
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2012, 12:39:48 AM » |
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The Bible has been rewritten and revised many times. You can purchase several versions on Amazon or at Barnes and Noble. Revisions are nothing new. The Book of Mormon and the Bible of the Mennonites are just two examples.
Are you unaware that the Book of Mormon is not a version of the bible, but a completely different book? And what in the world is a "Bible of the Mennonites?" In the many Mennonite churches I've been to (I belong to one), I've never seen a Mennonite specific Bible.
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Here in Dearborn/Dearborn Hts. MI while reciteing the Pledge of Alledgance in the public schools, the words "under God" are now omitted. The School Board does not want to offend the student majority (Arab immigrants).
That's a matter of perspective. Others might simply say it's been restored to original condition. +1. For just a bit of history... it was in 1954, after the Knights of Columbus lobbied Congress, that the words "under God" were inserted into the pledge. The K of C is the world's largest Catholic fraternal organization. The reality of the situation, then, is that we had a Christian group, pushing through the "under God" phrase, through a Congress that should have known that the First Amendment prohibits the government from favoring one religion over another, or for that matter, any religion at all. Glad to see that MI is moving forward and making the Pledge something for all people, not just those who believe in a Christian God.
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2012, 06:57:29 AM » |
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I heard last year that the Bible was being "re-written" so it could be used in Arab (Muslim) countries. The biggest change was omitting 93 references to Jesus being the Son of God. The Koran's main difference form the Bible is just that....it says Jesus was nothing more than a prophet. So, IF Jesus wasn't/isn't the Son of God, the Bible loses it's whole meaning. BTW, be sure not to confuse "translating" the Bible and "re-writing" it. I've read the KJV, NKJV, quite a bit in the Amplified, some in the NIV, and a little bit in a few others. I don't remember any contradictions between them...which would classify as a re-write. YMMV
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2012, 07:38:23 AM » |
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I still laugh because on a trip out west I had a CMA fellow ask me about my horns Seems a few previous translations of the old testament use the words Moses came down with horns instead of Moses was beaming You see Hebrew bible does not use punctuation and some monk a thousand years ago wrote the word in his quill as horns instead of beaming an interesting commentary from one person http://www.mesora.org/torahswriting.htmlIf you believe in the story of the old testament do Ya think he covered his face with a veil because he grew horns? Changes in the bible is just free speech We may not like it but who is to Judge? The Supreme Judge wont let us know or not know till life here ends for each of us someday Its what people do to and for each other that matters at least from my perspective SE I agree with your history but it was more a counter to "godless communism" than holding Christ up as the official religion The founding fathers all had belief in a supreme being from my readings And their own prejudices against many religions and lack thereof but a firm belief of the right of the individual to choose to believe practice or abstain from organized religion. Went along with the fear of monarchy YMMV
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In America we are supposed to live in a state free from religion. Not as most think that is says, "freedom of religion". You are wrong here. The Constitution guarantees Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom "from" religion, Specifically it states that: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The FACT that it states that the Government cannot prohibit the free exercise thereof guarantees that as an American you are free to practice any religion that you so desire, and you are free to share those beliefs with others. If Freedom From Religion was the guarantee then it would be "ILLEGAL" for anyone to make mention of their spiritual beliefs or practices. While there are people that would like for this to be the case, it isn't. This is why the Principal of a High School cannot lead the school in prayer Christian or otherwise but ANY student can.
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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2012, 05:00:28 PM » |
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I wonder how many DEATH threats would be issued if someone Re Wrote the Quaran and omitted all the things that might be "OFFENSIVE" to Christians and Jews ?
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I wonder how many Christians besides myself would be offended calling God, allah. Although allah does stand for god in context it is Muslim and not understood to be the God of the Jews or Christians. I Am that I Am is the proper name also YHWH. There are many gods but one God Just like when Moses came before Pharaoh and threw down his staff. Pharaoh said it was a magic trick and his magicians threw down their staffs and they became snakes too. The one difference though was Moses staff ate the others.
There is one Bible but there are many religions that have their own Bibles like the Jehovah's witness, the book of Mormon, and many more the NIV edition has taken the male inferences out of their editions. The translations should differ not in context but in the choice of words.
The Pledge of Allegiance was first written in 1892 for a magazine contest, and it read: "I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." The Pledge became part of the US Flag Code in 1942, and in 1954 President Eisenhower and Congress added the phrase "under God” into the Pledge.
We are a Christian Nation and references to God are in so many places in our constitutions and laws. Not only in the places that we commonly know. Just like the first school books were actually the Bible.
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2012, 05:03:19 PM » |
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In America we are supposed to live in a state free from religion. Not as most think that is says, "freedom of religion".
the state has no religion, and yes you may live free from religion if you wish. religious freedom is what has brought so many to this country, it's a persecution issue ya see 
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I wonder how many Christians besides myself would be offended calling God, allah. Although allah does stand for god in context it is Muslim and not understood to be the God of the Jews or Christians. I Am that I Am is the proper name also YHWH. Actually there are many different names for God in the Bible: Adonai - "Lord" - Gen. 15:2 Attiq Yomin - "Ancient of Days" - Dan. 7:9, 13, 22 El or Elohim - "Creator God" - Gen. 1:1; Deut. 5:9 El Elyon - "The Most High God" - Gen. 14:19 El Olam - "The Everlasting G0d" — Gen. 21 :33 El Elohe-lsrael - "God is the God of 1srae1" - Gen. 33:20 El Shaddai - "The Almighty God is Sufficient" - Gen. 17:1 El Gibbor - "The Mighty God" - Is. 9:6-7 "Father of the Fatherless." - Ps. 68:5 Jehovah- jireh - "The Lord Will Provide" — Gen. 22:8, 14 Jehovah-maqodeshkim - "The Lord Sanctifieth Thee." Jehovah-nissi - "The Lord Is Our Banner” - Ex. 17:15 Jehovah-rapha - "The Lord Healeth" - Ex. 34:6 Jehovah-raah - "The Lord is our Shepherd" - Ps. 23:1 Jehovah-sabaoth - "The Lord of Host" - 1 Sam. 17:45 Jehovah-shalom - "The Lord Our Peace" - Judges 6:24 Jehovah-shamma - "The Lord is Present and Near" — Ezek. 48:35 Jehovah-tsidkenu - "The Lord is our Righteousness" - Jer. 23:6, 33:16 "Father of Lights" - James 1:17 "Fortress" - 2 Sam. 22:2 YHWH - "I AM!" - Ex. 3:14 "Judge" - Gen. 18:25 "The Living God" - Jos. 3:10 "OUR FATHER" - Matt. 6:9 BTW, There are 365 different names listed for Jesus as well.
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2012, 06:39:44 PM » |
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We are a Christian Nation Actually our founding fathers fought a revolution against a "Christian nation." Monarchs of England were largely kept in power by the Church of England, and the Ruling monarch is also known as the Supreme Governor of the Church of England. Just something to think about...
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2012, 07:00:04 PM » |
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and references to God are in so many places in our constitutions and laws. Not only in the places that we commonly know. Lots of references to God or the Creator, but not many referencing Christ specifically.
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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2012, 07:01:35 PM » |
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Just like the first school books were actually the Bible.
Not a lot of other books to choose from back in the day...
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I dont disagree with you but do take exception as this is how God said was and is His name not a attribute
Jehovah/yhwh The special and significant name not merely an appellative title such as Lord by which God revealed himself to the ancient Hebrews (Exo_6:2, Exo_6:3). This name, the Tetragrammaton of the Greeks, was held by the later Jews to be so sacred that it was never pronounced except by the high priest on the great Day of Atonement, when he entered into the most holy place. Whenever this name occurred in the sacred books they pronounced it, as they still do, “Adonai” (i.e., Lord), thus using another word in its stead.
Exo 15:26 And He said, "If you will give earnest heed to the voice of the LORD your God, and do what is right in His sight, and give ear to His commandments, and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have put on the Egyptians; for I, the LORD, am your healer."
Exo 3:15 God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.
Jehovah-jireh Jehovah will see; i.e., will provide, the name given by Abraham to the scene of his offering up the ram which was caught in the thicket on Mount Moriah. The expression used in Gen_22:14, “in the mount of the Lord it shall be seen,” has been regarded as equivalent to the saying, “Man's extremity is God's opportunity.”
Jesus" or Joshua" means literally God is salvation. both meaning "Yahweh delivers" or "Yahweh rescues".
Christ" is derived from the Greek Χριστός (Khrīstos), meaning "the anointed one"
We should really say Jesus the Christ
Robdawg13 As for the Church in England you are mostly right. You see the King used religion as a form of control and repression making laws about it and even appointing his own heads of the church. There was one religion and that is what everyone had to practice and there was no choice. This is what our fore fathers wanted to escape from to practice their own Christianity. This was also very much on the minds of our fore fathers and hence the laws to freely practice religion and that the state could not dictate a specific religion or practice. Hence the words in the letter written to the Baptists about a wall of separation between church and state. They never conceived of a country where Christianity was under attack and felt that the laws were in no way able to stop a immoral society. I can also understand a mindset like some of the Founders like Jefferson that had a specific religon jamed down your throat for so long you would want to be free of that bondage. But although Jefferson could not really be counted as a Christian he did more and gave more for the Christian cause than most of his time.
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and references to God are in so many places in our constitutions and laws. Not only in the places that we commonly know. Lots of references to God or the Creator, but not many referencing Christ specifically. Jesus the Christ is mentioned in every book of the old and new testament.
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and references to God are in so many places in our constitutions and laws. Not only in the places that we commonly know. Lots of references to God or the Creator, but not many referencing Christ specifically. Jesus the Christ is mentioned in every book of the old and new testament. Which are not "our constitutions and laws."
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and references to God are in so many places in our constitutions and laws. Not only in the places that we commonly know. Lots of references to God or the Creator, but not many referencing Christ specifically. Jesus the Christ is mentioned in every book of the old and new testament. Which are not "our constitutions and laws." Alabama 1901 "We the people of the State of Alabama ... invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution..." 2. Alaska 1956 "We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land..." 3. Arizona 1911 "We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution..." 4. Arkansas 1998 Article II, Section 24. "All men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences; no man can, of right, be compelled to attend, erect or support any place of worship; or to maintain any ministry against his consent. No human authority can, in any case or manner whatsoever, control or interfere with the right on conscience; and no preference shall ever be given, by law, to any religious establishment, denomination or mode of worship above any other. 5. California 1879 "We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure and perpetuate its blessings, do establish this Constitution." 7. Connecticut 1818 "The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy..." 8. Delaware 1897 "Through Divine goodness, all men have by nature the rights of worshiping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences..." 9. Florida 1968 "We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty..." Just a few  Jesus in Genesis is the seed of the Woman In Exodus the Passover Lamb In Lev the High Priest Just a few 
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and references to God are in so many places in our constitutions and laws. Not only in the places that we commonly know. Lots of references to God or the Creator, but not many referencing Christ specifically. Jesus the Christ is mentioned in every book of the old and new testament. Which are not "our constitutions and laws." Alabama 1901 "We the people of the State of Alabama ... invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution..." 2. Alaska 1956 "We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land..." 3. Arizona 1911 "We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution..." 4. Arkansas 1998 Article II, Section 24. "All men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own consciences; no man can, of right, be compelled to attend, erect or support any place of worship; or to maintain any ministry against his consent. No human authority can, in any case or manner whatsoever, control or interfere with the right on conscience; and no preference shall ever be given, by law, to any religious establishment, denomination or mode of worship above any other. 5. California 1879 "We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure and perpetuate its blessings, do establish this Constitution." 7. Connecticut 1818 "The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy..." 8. Delaware 1897 "Through Divine goodness, all men have by nature the rights of worshiping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences..." 9. Florida 1968 "We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty..." Just a few  Jesus in Genesis is the seed of the Woman In Exodus the Passover Lamb In Lev the High Priest Just a few  Um... I think you just made my point... So thanks? 
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Actually our founding fathers fought a revolution against a "Christian nation." Monarchs of England were largely kept in power by the Church of England, and the Ruling monarch is also known as the Supreme Governor of the Church of England. Just something to think about... Some of you can't seem to distinguish between a Christian nation and a nation that lets it's religion control it's government. It's really kinda simple if you step back and look at it.
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