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« on: May 12, 2009, 06:33:18 PM »


I saw this on Glen Beck two nights ago.. this is pure genius .. and maybe the only hope we have as Americans of regaining 'states rights' ... if it is upheld by the Supreme Court (and it will be tested quickly) this will be the way to go on all issues the Feds have encroached on.
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This is true.  Other states are doing this to protect our constitutional rights.  The federal government wants to take away our right to bear arms.
 
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 Montana Governor Signs New Gun Law
Executive Summary – The USA state of Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law. I mean REVOLUTIONARY. The State of Montana has defied the federal government and their gun laws. This will prompt a showdown between the federal government and the State of Montana . The federal government fears citizens owning guns. They try to curtail what types of guns they can own. The gun control laws all have one common goal – confiscation of privately owned firearms.
Montana has gone beyond drawing a line in the sand. They have challenged the Federal Government. The fed now either takes them on and risks them saying the federal agents have no right to violate their state gun laws and arrest the federal agents that try to enforce the federal firearms acts. This will be a world-class event to watch. Montana could go to voting for secession from the union, which is really throwing the gauntlet in Obama's face. If the federal government does nothing they lose face. Gotta love it.
Important Points – If guns and ammunition are manufactured inside the State of Montana for sale and use inside that state then the federal firearms laws have no applicability since the federal government only has the power to control commerce across state lines. Montana has the law on their side. Since when did the USA start following their own laws especially the constitution of the USA , the very document that empowers the USA .
Silencers made in Montana and sol in Montana would be fully legal and not registered. As a note silencers were first used before the 007 movies as a device to enable one to hunt without disturbing neighbors and scaring game.. They were also useful as devices to control noise when practicing so as to not disturb the neighbors.
Silencers work best with a bolt-action rifle. There is a long barrel and the chamber is closed tight so as to direct all the gases though the silencer at the tip of the barrel. Semi-auto pistols and revolvers do not really muffle the sound very well except on the silver screen. The revolvers bleed gas out with the sound all over the place. The semi-auto pistols bleed the gases out when the slide recoils back.
Silencers are maybe nice for snipers picking off enemy soldiers even though they reduce velocity but not very practical for hit men shooting pistols in crowded places. Silencers were useful tools for gun enthusiasts and hunters.
There would be no firearm registration, serial numbers, criminal records check, waiting periods or paperwork required. So in a short period of time there would be millions and millions of unregistered untraceable guns in Montana . Way to go Montana !
Discussion – Let us see what Obama does. If he hits Montana hard they will probably vote to secede from the USA . The governor of Texas has already been refusing Federal money because he does not want to agree to the conditions that go with it and he has been saying secession is a right they have as sort of a threat. Things are no longer the same with the USA . Do not be deceived by Obama acting as if all is the same, it is not.
Text of the New Law
HOUSE BILL NO. 246
INTRODUCED BY J. BONIEK, BENNETT, BUTCHER, CURTISS, RANDALL, WARBURTON
AN ACT EXEMPTING FROM FEDERAL REGULATION UNDER THE COMMERCE CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES A FIREARM, A FIREARM ACCESSORY, OR AMMUNITION MANUFACTURED AND RETAINED IN MONTANA ; AND PROVIDING AN APPLICABILITY DATE.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MONTANA :
Section 1. Short title. [Sections 1 through 6] may be cited as the " Montana Firearms Freedom Act".
Section 2. Legislative declarations of authority. The legislature declares that the authority for [sections 1 through 6] is the following:
(1) The 10th amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to the states and their people all powers not granted to the federal government elsewhere in the constitution and reserves to the state and people of Montana certain powers as they were understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those powers is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
(2) The ninth amendment to the United States constitution guarantees to the people rights not granted in the constitution and reserves to the people of Montana certain rights, as they were understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889. The guaranty of those rights is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
(3) The regulation of intrastate commerce is vested in the states under the 9th and 10th amendments to the United States constitution, particularly if not expressly preempted by federal law. Congress has not expressly preempted state regulation of intrastate commerce pertaining to the manufacture on an intrastate basis of firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition.
(4) The second amendment to the United States constitution reserves to the people the right to keep and bear arms as that right was understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889, and the guaranty of the right is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
(5) Article II, section 12, of the Montana constitution clearly secures to Montana citizens, and prohibits government interference with, the right of individual Montana citizens to keep and bear arms. This constitutional protection is unchanged from the 1889 Montana constitution, which was approved by congress and the people of Montana , and the right exists, as it was understood at the time that the compact with the United States was agr eed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
Section 3. Definitions. As used in [sections 1 through 6], the following definitions apply:
(1) "Borders of Montana " means the boundaries of Montana described in Article I, section 1, of the 1889 Montana constitution.
(2) "Firearms accessories" means items that are used in conjunction with or mounted upon a firearm but are not essential to the basic function of a firearm, including but not limited to telescopic or laser sights, magazines, flash or sound suppressors, folding or aftermarket stocks and grips, speedloaders, ammunition carriers, and lights for target illumination.
(3) "Generic and insignificant parts" includes but is not limited to springs, screws, nuts, and pins.
(4) "Manufactured" means that a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition has been created from basic materials for functional usefulness, including but not limited to forging, casting, machining, or other processes for working materials.
Section 4. Prohibitions. A personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Montana and that remains within the borders of Montana is not subject to federal law or federal regulation, including registration, under the authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce. It is declared by the legislature that those items have not traveled in interstate commerce. This section applies to a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is manufactured in Montana from basic materials and that can be manufactured without the inclusion of any significant parts imported from another state. Generic and insignificant parts that have other manufacturing or consumer product applications are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition, and their importation into Montana and incorporation into a firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition manufactured in Montana does not subject the firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition to federal regulation. It is declared by the legislature that basic materials, such as unmachined steel and unshaped wood, are not firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition and are not subject to congressional authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition under interstate commerce as if they were actually firearms, firearms accessories, or ammunition. The authority of congress to regulate interstate commerce in basic materials does not include authority to regulate firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition made in Montana from those materials. Firearms accessories that are imported into Montana from another state and that are subject to federal regulation as being in interstate commerce do not subject a firearm to federal regulation under interstate commerce because they are attached to or used in conjunction with a firearm in Montana ..
Section 5. Exceptions. [Section 4] does not apply to:
(1) A firearm that cannot be carried and used by one person;
(2) A firearm that has a bore diameter greater than 1 1/2 inches and that uses smokeless powder, not black powder, as a propellant;
(3) ammunition with a projectile that explodes using an explosion of chemical energy after the projectile leaves the firearm; or
(4) a firearm that discharges two or more projectiles with one activation of the trigger or other firing device.
Section 6. Marketing of firearms. A firearm manufactured or sold in Montana under [sections 1 through 6] must have the words "Made in Montana " clearly stamped on a central metallic part, such as the receiver or frame.
Section 7. Codification instruction. [Sections 1 through 6] are intended to be codified as an integral part of Title 30, and the provisions of Title 30 apply to [sections 1 through 6].
Section 8. Applicability. [This act] applies to firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition that are manufactured, as defined in [section 3], and retained in Montana after October 1, 2009.
 
SEND THIS TO EVERY FREEDOM LOVING (PATRIOT) RED BLOODED AMERICAN YOU CAN........
 

 
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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2009, 06:59:00 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2009, 07:05:47 PM »

Glad to see Montana already signed their version, we've already got a Texas version being worked up:

http://www.star-telegram.com/legislature/story/1355073.html

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2009, 07:11:21 PM »

COME ON VIRGINIA!!!! WAKE UP AND FOLLOW TEXAS & MONTANNA!!!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2009, 07:38:30 PM »

Utah is jumping in also.  Hopefully many more will follow.  Isnt it Ironic that our lawmakers are sent to Washington to represent the states and the people that elect them, but once they are there do the opposite.  I think that the State should have the power to recall their elected reps and bounce them form office if they start pushing an agenda different than what the state and people wants and expects.  Of course term limits would go a long way toward limiting the damage that career pols can do.  Has anyone noticed how often Hussien mentions his goals for his first term, imphasizing during my first term, as if its a given that he will have a second term.  Trying to precondition peoples thinking that he will be here for 8 years,
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2009, 07:46:41 PM »

That is  an observation I have made also; I hope it is assumption on obama’s part and that  he is disappointed.
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2009, 10:27:59 PM »

lmfao....watch out for those black helicopters too you Beck watchers... 2funny

Please, all you America haters, secede already, the whining is getting annoying to those of us - the vast majority - who love our country and are working to make it better. 

If it isn't Fox Noise it's the NRA trying to keep the lunatic fringe in hysterics so you'll keep watching or sending in your dues.

You have a cozy little (very little) cult of fellow wing nuts on this board, but you should realize that the reality based community - the 70% of Americans who approve of Obama's efforts to pull our future out of the toilet - are out here watchin and laughin at you guys like a bad sitcom.  It's like you are trying to out-do each other in the dingbat sweepstakes with each post...

Maybe you could move on to the "they're putting something in our drinking water" schtick - these re-runs of the "they're trying to take our guns" bit got old about 10 years ago.....

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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2009, 12:07:40 AM »

Scanner why do you hate America so much? If you only knew what I know. A friend of mine owns a door building company and he told me that the Federal Government is taking bids to supply one million doors to the millitary. It is his understanding that a special door kicking unit will be practicing on them so when the time come to kick in peoples doors to get there guns they will be ready.
Also, my nephew is a census taker and he told me that they are required to grade the strutual integrity of peoples front door. Coincidence?
Glenn Beck is supposed to be doing a segment on this. But since you are Un-American you don't watch FOX. tickedoff
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2009, 12:08:26 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2009, 02:16:16 AM »

lmfao....watch out for those black helicopters too you Beck watchers... 2funny

Please, all you America haters, secede already, the whining is getting annoying to those of us - the vast majority - who love our country and are working to make it better. 

If it isn't Fox Noise it's the NRA trying to keep the lunatic fringe in hysterics so you'll keep watching or sending in your dues.

You have a cozy little (very little) cult of fellow wing nuts on this board, but you should realize that the reality based community - the 70% of Americans who approve of Obama's efforts to pull our future out of the toilet - are out here watchin and laughin at you guys like a bad sitcom.  It's like you are trying to out-do each other in the dingbat sweepstakes with each post...

Maybe you could move on to the "they're putting something in our drinking water" schtick - these re-runs of the "they're trying to take our guns" bit got old about 10 years ago.....



So those who believe in the America our forefathers built for us are the “lunatic fringe” and those who do not are the “normal Americans”? Interesting perspective.
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2009, 03:54:24 AM »

So those who believe in the America our forefathers built for us are the “lunatic fringe” and those who do not are the “normal Americans”? Interesting perspective.

Remember, to that crowd, War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength... Once you see things from the kool-aid drinker's perspective, it all makes sense...  uglystupid2 crazy2 uglystupid2
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2009, 07:37:27 AM »

the Federal Government is taking bids to supply one million doors to the millitary. It is his understanding that a special door kicking unit will be practicing on them so when the time come to kick in peoples doors to get there guns they will be ready.
Also, my nephew is a census taker and he told me that they are required to grade the strutual integrity of peoples front door. Coincidence?
Glenn Beck is supposed to be doing a segment on this. But since you are Un-American you don't watch FOX. tickedoff

You write drivel like this and then tell me you guys don't think you're the lunatic fringe? 2funny



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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2009, 07:56:23 AM »

lmfao....watch out for those black helicopters too you Beck watchers... 2funny

Please, all you America haters, secede already, the whining is getting annoying to those of us - the vast majority - who love our country and are working to make it better. 

If it isn't Fox Noise it's the NRA trying to keep the lunatic fringe in hysterics so you'll keep watching or sending in your dues.

You have a cozy little (very little) cult of fellow wing nuts on this board, but you should realize that the reality based community - the 70% of Americans who approve of Obama's efforts to pull our future out of the toilet - are out here watchin and laughin at you guys like a bad sitcom.  It's like you are trying to out-do each other in the dingbat sweepstakes with each post...

Maybe you could move on to the "they're putting something in our drinking water" schtick - these re-runs of the "they're trying to take our guns" bit got old about 10 years ago.....


Scanner, I would only ask as to what branch of the services that you served in and for how long?  Also did you ever see actual combat and defend this country that you claim to love so much.  Those of us who have taken up arms and stood shoulder to shoulder with our brothers in defending this country's ideas and positions really know what the true "love of country" means.  The true patriots of this country are not only the ones who take up arms, but the ones who support the ones who protect everyone's freedoms.  If you don't think that you can loose your freedom here in America, just look at what is happening today.  Big Brother is controlling many of our former private companies and hiring & firing their employees at will.  They are able to do this with money.  Money that they print on their printing presses which has no real value at all.  It has no gold or silver to make it worth even a fiddler's damn.  And after they print enough of it, inflation will be the ruin of us all.  It will take a fist full of greenbacks to buy a loaf of bread.  I know that you think that many of us here are teetering on the brink of insanity and that your "chosen one" could never do such a thing.  I really hope that you are correct in your assessment, but all the signs and actions so far have not pointed in that direction...JTL   Sad
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2009, 08:57:53 AM »

lmfao....watch out for those black helicopters too you Beck watchers... 2funny

Please, all you America haters, secede already, the whining is getting annoying to those of us - the vast majority - who love our country and are working to make it better. 

If it isn't Fox Noise it's the NRA trying to keep the lunatic fringe in hysterics so you'll keep watching or sending in your dues.

You have a cozy little (very little) cult of fellow wing nuts on this board, but you should realize that the reality based community - the 70% of Americans who approve of Obama's efforts to pull our future out of the toilet - are out here watchin and laughin at you guys like a bad sitcom.  It's like you are trying to out-do each other in the dingbat sweepstakes with each post...

Maybe you could move on to the "they're putting something in our drinking water" schtick - these re-runs of the "they're trying to take our guns" bit got old about 10 years ago.....


Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow and MSNBC are no less biased than Fox.   You over estimate your "vast majority".  The last election was a referendum on the competency of the Bush administration, not the approval of a left wing agenda.  Like Reagan, Obama is popular, but his policies are less so.  The right wants to control behavior (abortion, gay marriage, etc) but the left is even scarier.   They want to control speech and thought (i.e. P.C.).   They become shrill and intolerant when faced with opinions other than their own (i.e. your name calling rant above).  At age 55 one would think you would have progressed beyond that level.
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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2009, 09:10:45 AM »



Those of us who have taken up arms and stood shoulder to shoulder with our brothers in defending this country's ideas and positions really know what the true "love of country" means.  The true patriots of this country are not only the ones who take up arms, but the ones who support the ones who protect everyone's freedoms.  ..JTL   Sad


So if you believe that, how can you turn around and say the military will kick our doors down and take away our guns?  You guys have a real Catch 22 there....Is the military going to protect us from the military?
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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2009, 09:13:26 AM »

Trynt I have to admire your courage in speaking the truth about MSNBC considering that you live in MN, the home of Humphrey and (ugggh...Al Franken)!  I certainly agree with Pharmboy's synopsis of the dangers we face with this current administration, he is a patriot that had his boots on the ground in one of the bloodiest battles in Vietnam and damn well educated guy, neither of which he brags openly about.  I also agree with your contention that the 60+ percent approval rating of this administration is more a referendum on the popularity of the past administration, rather than an ideological endorsement of the current administration.

Even if the 60+ percent represents approval of the current administrations policies, that does very little to change my convictions.  It only serves to make me more concerned about the apparent proliferation of an ideology which endorses lack of personal responsibility, instant gratification and avoidance of sacrifice and a general conviction that it is the responsibility of the "state" to make sure that everyone comes in together at the finish line.  It was while I was a young engineering student in my first semester of Calculus that the majority of the class dropped out after that first exam.  I realized from that point forward that sometime (but not always), it is the minority that actually "get it".
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2009, 09:34:29 AM »

I was about 100% certain that I would not get an answer to my questions.  All you "left coast people" seem to be able to do is make a "wise a$$" comment about something that is becoming more and more serious, or ignore the question all together, as you just did.  I know where you are coming from and I would fight again for your right to believe and say whatever you want.  However, I will pray to God In Heaven that I never have to depend on you or others of your persuasion to defend my freedoms...JTL 
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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2009, 09:47:49 AM »

What "wise ass comment"?  There is all this lunacy here about the military is going to kick our doors in and take our guns.  Do you believe that?  What does that say about their view of our military?

And no, I wasn't in the military.  I grew up with the draft and was eligible as Nam was winding down. By then it was apparent - even to McNamara and Johnson - that the war was a fiasco that served only political purposes, the same as Iraq.

And yes, you can support the personnel of our forces while opposing how they are used by the politicians.  I believe that fighting for our military to be employed only in just causes is the best support we can provide.  If the cause isn't worth the life of your child, then it isn't worth the life of anybody's child.
 
 
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« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2009, 09:53:07 AM »

Scanner, where did you get your education, public schools? I guess the 10% that stuck their necks out for freedom in the 1770's were a lunatic fringe also. Well, lunatic or not, you and your type are what I fear more than the repressive empire that controls our country. At least I know who they are. Most Americans got there education from plublic schools which were infiltrated by communist/socialist CFR types many years ago. And I know you don't want to take the time to find the facts so just chalk my comments up as more paranoia hype. I don't want you to believe me on just my comments but if history repeats itself as it often does, you'll see.
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« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2009, 09:58:34 AM »

"Most Americans got there education from plublic schools which were infiltrated by communist/socialist CFR types many years ago" Stormrider

Thanks for proving my points Stormrider! 

And yes, I went to "plublic" schools, where we learned the difference between "there" and "their"....so where did you get that education of yours? 
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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2009, 10:52:50 AM »

I don't think that anyone's education is really what this is all about.  If any of us were really smart, we would be jetting around on someone else's nickel and collecting all those multi-million dollar bonuses that are being paid out.  What this is really all about is ideology and which coast you are closest to.  (The only thing really wrong with Nancy Pelosi is that she wakes up every morning thinking that San Francisco is normal!)...JTL  (Sorry to say, I've been there.  It aint normal, as they say in my neck of the woods.)
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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2009, 10:56:49 AM »

I hear ya Pharmboy....took the day off and I'm going for a ride. cooldude
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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2009, 11:04:36 AM »

Good idea Scanner!  I knew that we could agree on something.  Only I have a problem, the wind is blowing about 45 mph here.  Ride Safe!  Strong Eagle needs all the help that he can get....JTL   laugh
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2009, 01:30:46 PM »

the Federal Government is taking bids to supply one million doors to the millitary. It is his understanding that a special door kicking unit will be practicing on them so when the time come to kick in peoples doors to get there guns they will be ready.
Also, my nephew is a census taker and he told me that they are required to grade the strutual integrity of peoples front door. Coincidence?
Glenn Beck is supposed to be doing a segment on this. But since you are Un-American you don't watch FOX. tickedoff

You write drivel like this and then tell me you guys don't think you're the lunatic fringe? 2funny

Scanner, my post about the Government buying doors was pure sarcasm. As was you being "Un-American" for not watching FOX noise. As silly as the idea of the Millitary having a "special door kicking unit" may sound, if Beck were to spew that out on his show (while crying) the Wing Nuts would run with it. uglystupid2


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« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2009, 01:47:29 PM »

 Wink Gotcha Willy. Goes to show nothing surprises me around here.  It made as much sense as some of this stuff that's posted.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2009, 09:20:07 PM »

At a public school. So an error in spelling proves your point?

Done lots of reading and research on subjects such as the Council On Foriegn Relations, the Bilderberg Group, The Federal Reserve, Banking and war over the past 200 years, the Constitution and amendments, etc. Lots of research on Roe v. Wade and the murder of the unborn, the FDA and cancer, (of which there is a natural cure which the FDA has banned). And btw, it was on the news tongight that the FDA says the only way to reduce cholesteral is to take the appropriate drugs. Imagine that, exercise, eating healthy, etc. can't help.

You go ahead and believe everything they tell you. Your a good fine Americans. Hitler was pretty good at it too.
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« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2009, 05:01:37 AM »

"the FDA and cancer, (of which there is a natural cure which the FDA has banned)" Stormrider

The point you proved was the absurdity of your posts- like above.  I know you believe you hold the secrets and the rest of us are blind, but, in truth, you're carrying a large load of crapola around like it's gold.  Treasure it dearly and post often, it's pretty entertaining.
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« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2009, 07:42:49 PM »

Scanner, since you don't know how to research on the internet, try this site. www.cancure.org. BTW, I have a letter from the FDA addressed to me stating that they have in fact banned vitamin b-17. Matter of fact I have two letters, one stating they banned it and the other quoting the study they did in 1983 which supposedly showed that B-17 was ineffective in the treatment and cure of cancer. I have been the logistic chairman for our local Relay for Life for 3 years in the past raising over $290k for cancer research. Yet if you will take time to read the testimonials about B-17 you might find yourself coming to the same conclusion. But that's alright, I'd rather be wrong about what I know and live like it's the truth than fall for the lies you do.
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« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2009, 04:48:37 AM »

Google "vitamin B17" and buy all the Laetrile you want.  It's not banned, the only thing banned is wacko's selling it as a cure for cancer:

"The claim that Laetrile has beneficial effects for cancer patients is not supported by data from controlled clinical trials. This systematic review has clearly identified the need for randomised or controlled clinical trials assessing the effectiveness of Laetrile or amygdalin for cancer treatment."[13] It has not been approved for this use by the United States' Food and Drug Administration"

Unfortunately some people - either desperate or gullible - believe your type crap and substitute it for actual medical care - often until it's too late.

I really do pity your world there Stormrider - living under an "evil empire" where cures for cancer are banned, and the brown shirts are coming to take your guns....it must be tough living there.  I prefer the reality-based world and America. My America is not an "evil empire".
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« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2009, 07:30:08 AM »

Try reading a book called "World Without Cancer" by G. Edward Griffin.  You may get an eye opener if you are openminded.  The 1st half is about Vitamin B-17, the last half is about the government involvement in more than you want to know about and why B-17 is not patentable or any other vitamin/herb, etc supplement.  It has nothing to do with if it works or not it has to do with money.  Follow the money trail.
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« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2009, 08:23:43 AM »

It's available. If you or your wife get cancer, buy it.  Good luck.

My wife just finished her chemo and is now cancer free.  I'll stick with oncology, you keep your apricots.
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« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2009, 07:32:53 PM »

Hey Scanner, how many drugs has the FDA approved then later took off the market only after a number of people have died? Now, I honestly believe you didn't go to cancure's website and read the testimonials.

So, you really believe the gov't has your best interests at the heart of what they do. And I guess when anyone causes you to have to stop and think all you can do is slander that person. Saying I full of whatever isn't very nice. I hope you can go to sleep with a clear consience. You know something, it may be some day you are out riding, you flat, and left sitting on the side of the road. If a big black Valk I/S stops to offer assistance with a rider named Stormrider on board, I guess you'll refuse that too.

Sorry you can't see or hear. The Bible speaks of such people. I'm shaking the dust off my sandles and moving on.
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« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2009, 07:37:24 PM »

Sorry Stormrider, you're right.  I mean, if there's a website saying it then has to be true....good luck.
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« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2009, 07:49:29 PM »

No Scanner, for you, if the government says it's so it is. And I'm blessed so I don't need luck.
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